[pianofrieak2]

hydroblaster said:

pianofrieak2 said:

Ok, just call me a loser.







Yes, I'm *5 magic, and if I can last until round 6, I can usually win. I just usually lose because he hits 24's on me! Grrr!

i gotta agree with pressline here. i cant kill u that often. i still hit 15's on u, and u mostly win.

What fights are you looking at??? I just fought you 3 times and you won every single time. I'm suprised to see you raise your ranged when I did though. I got the new bow and hit 19s now! Yay!







Of course, I still lose to you. But...you are 4 lvls higher than me. That'll hopefully change. Tomorrow. But, then again, you will grow faster because you're the overpowered paladin!







It's alright. It's fun just being friendly and competitive.







BTW, where is menot? I miss him. He probably has tons of college stuff to do. My college admissions packets are done for now...in two weeks though I gotta do scholarships and other regular action colleges.

[Pressline47]

Look, I don't know your supports like I said, but I find it hard to believe a well built mage will lose to a paladin, especially at the rates you are saying..







Most people with gripes about paladins have reason to, but I just don't feel that yours is valid.. considering my extensive experience of having my [wagon] handed to me by mages.







I think barbarians, knights, brutes, beserkers and warriors (probably missing some) have reason to gripe about paladins, but you pushing this doesn't make sense to me. Mess with your supports.. you say you don't make it to round 6 (I think) unless your a 7* mage having enough supports to make it that long should not be a problem..







Lastly, repeating yourself every post when someone says they don't agree with you is not an effective way to discuss/argue something. And repeating in bold your point that someone is arguing against doesn't help either. I might just quote you every time you say paladins overpowered And say, good mages beat paladins.







Edit: Omg just read your post again.. he's 4 lvls higher than you, I'm sure we get more exp from dens, but why are you calling paladins overpowered because you can't beat one 4 lvls higher. Only thing I have been able to kill 4 lvls higher since the low ranged nerf has been adventurers and zerkers. Once again, if you were 4 lvls higher, I would understand, or one of the previous mentioned specs, but you aren't, you are lower level therefore you are supposed to lose. (Even though there have been multiple mages that have pked me 5+ lvls below me.

[hydroblaster]

pianofrieak2 said:

hydroblaster said:

pianofrieak2 said:

Ok, just call me a loser.







Yes, I'm *5 magic, and if I can last until round 6, I can usually win. I just usually lose because he hits 24's on me! Grrr!

i gotta agree with pressline here. i cant kill u that often. i still hit 15's on u, and u mostly win.

What fights are you looking at??? I just fought you 3 times and you won every single time. I'm suprised to see you raise your ranged when I did though. I got the new bow and hit 19s now! Yay!







Of course, I still lose to you. But...you are 4 lvls higher than me. That'll hopefully change. Tomorrow. But, then again, you will grow faster because you're the overpowered paladin!







It's alright. It's fun just being friendly and competitive.







BTW, where is menot? I miss him. He probably has tons of college stuff to do. My college admissions packets are done for now...in two weeks though I gotta do scholarships and other regular action colleges.

same here. 2 weks exams starting next week so i log on every 3 days now. plus drizZzt it taking his revenge kout on me, altho i kill him 10% of the time.







and i got the bow b4 u supreme. ranged was the first i trained cos i cud train 10 lvls of ranged with 60k xp, then it was 10 magic lvls with 100k xp. and then a bit to defense and hp, i still got around 5 more defense lvls and 4 more hp to train tho.







BTW. UPDATE. pklord screwd up, i added more magic instead of attack/defense!!, so it takes another 3 weeks to get bak . however, i have made a new discovery. even tho i have overtrained magic 3 lvls, this is SO bloody strong that i still have a 100% winrate. i cant belive no1 ever used this spec b4. gimme 3 weeks to get my supports rite and ill show u how strong this spec combo is (meaning im not gonna transition to a spellsword nemore.) funnily enough, i made a mistake and then discovered this new spec, and wen i get to it, im gona transition to something stronger which i am deducing it will be from previous experiences:P:D:W:O

[pianofrieak2]

Whoa, sorry, Pressline. I didn't mean to make you mad at all. Please don't get defensive.







It was being kind of a joke between me and him. I always want to beat him real badly and he wants to beat me. I just didn't add a smiley to make it more fun. Sorry!











@hydro: You trained range b4 me? I didn't think so...I thought for sure I got my ranged to 125 and then fought you. But, then again, when I fought you, you had it too. We either got them the same day or you got it before me but I couldn't attack you when you got it.







Sorry to hear DriZzt is taking his revenge out on you. That stinks.







Lastly, what did pklord transition to? I find that interesting that you were going spellsword but switched it up. For your info, *2 def is pretty bad so don't go spellsword. It's just not worth it.







Does anyone remember who went spellsword? They were really active on these boards, but I can't remember who it was. Was it dyro?

[hydroblaster]

pianofrieak2 said:

Whoa, sorry, Pressline. I didn't mean to make you mad at all. Please don't get defensive.







It was being kind of a joke between me and him. I always want to beat him real badly and he wants to beat me. I just didn't add a smiley to make it more fun. Sorry!











@hydro: You trained range b4 me? I didn't think so...I thought for sure I got my ranged to 125 and then fought you. But, then again, when I fought you, you had it too. We either got them the same day or you got it before me but I couldn't attack you when you got it.







Sorry to hear DriZzt is taking his revenge out on you. That stinks.







Lastly, what did pklord transition to? I find that interesting that you were going spellsword but switched it up. For your info, *2 def is pretty bad so don't go spellsword. It's just not worth it.







Does anyone remember who went spellsword? They were really active on these boards, but I can't remember who it was. Was it dyro?

lets plz breakthigns up ok??



ill add some smileys to make up for the ones that werent added to make things happier:



8) 8) 8)



ok thats enuff i think



wat im transitioning to is a secret. cant tell u until 3 weeks, but its damn good!!







@pressline: ok, i have to agree with you here that wizards are bloody strong (sry piano, im gonna argue for u in the next 6 lines tho ). they can kill every spec above them except sometimes a sharpy, and piano may just have a habit of putting things in bold bcos he likes big black letters and he may be repetitive but lets not get too angry eh?? it was a bit of competition between me and suprememage (to make up for the hundreds of times he killed me as a templar ), and paino just likes killing me cos he says if he like some1 he kills them, so dont take it the wrong way



and...i'll take back the "defensive" word from pianos post, so just imagine it wasnt there k?? (we dont wanna screw things up even more)



your both cool guys, so lets all shake hands, and be happy cos everythings all good.

[hydroblaster]

Pressline47 said:

Mess with your supports.. you say you don't make it to round 6 (I think) unless your a 7* mage having enough supports to make it that long should not be a problem..

actually, i have problem killng all types of mages: mages, wizards, warlocks and archmages. i still have a 5% winrate on the drowmage cos it has low ranged which gives it 160hp add on the prayer(45), i have to hit an average of 30 to kill it. but i hit from 19-32.



on the other hand, mages dont have low ranged, but i hit from 14-25 on them wich isnt enuff either.







so eitherway, i lose. the guy who kills me is happy . end of story.







EDIT: to add more emphasis, i am a lvl 148 pally, the drow mage is a lvl 140 arhcmage, doing 75 damage per magic round on me wile i do a measly 3

[Sunspeak]

My main concerns are the HP/STR bonuses. The problem comes at higher specs and levels when the bonuses compound with special moves as well as increased damage/attack/defense etc. For instance, give high HP and STR specs their crushing blows, but don't allow them to also get an attck and defense bonus for having a higher strength than the people against them. It's like double or triple dipping into bonuses.







Also, higher magic and range specs. These two still concern me as being weak because they are too dependent on their rounds. Range is all done in the first round with some minimal bleeding afterwards. Magic can only be done in each of 3 rounds. When you get to higher specs, there just aren't enough supports to keep competitive. Our damage doesn't increase enough per skill level as compared to all other stats because all other stats are used every round thus giving more chance to benefit.







As a 7* mage, I still have a hard time killing anything even if I cast my 3 rounds of magic. I feel that as 7* mage, I should theoretically have enough damage to either kill or tie many specs. They have up until that round to kill me off, and if they can't then I should be able to finish. Otherwise, magic is pointless. Range is basically the same in that they should be able to finish many people off within the first few rounds. But sadly it just isn't how it is. This is meant strictly for higher levels where as I said each 1 point to our skill does less benefit than 1 point to other melee skills. At lower levels, range and magic seem to be much more viable options.







I honestly have no fixes for these things. It's hard when for instance magic is so good at lower levels then falls off at higher levels. Just tough to really think of something to compensate.







Whatever happens, it's so awesome to have you back Silv! I'll never give up the mage no matter how weak I may get heh. Glad to have you here and hopefully things are better.

[Pressline47]

hydroblaster said:

Pressline47 said:

Mess with your supports.. you say you don't make it to round 6 (I think) unless your a 7* mage having enough supports to make it that long should not be a problem..

actually, i have problem killng all types of mages: mages, wizards, warlocks and archmages. i still have a 5% winrate on the drowmage cos it has low ranged which gives it 160hp add on the prayer(45), i have to hit an average of 30 to kill it. but i hit from 19-32.



on the other hand, mages dont have low ranged, but i hit from 14-25 on them wich isnt enuff either.







so eitherway, i lose. the guy who kills me is happy . end of story.

I lose to every type of mage out there in dens. I always lost to every kind of mage (4* and above). However I could see a 7* mage struggling to get the supports right to survive. I cannot imagine a paladin strong enough to beat a 4* 5* or 6* mage before round 6. Against well built 7* mages I will very rarely (1/50 maybe) finish them before all 3 magic rounds, and I have 0% chance of survival if they do last that long.

[pianofrieak2]

Yeah, I'm starting to really feel for Sunspeak. Every 1 lvl for an archmage does very little damage, but 1 att, str, and pry lvl for a paladin does a lot.







Poor guy.







As for me v. hydro, we're down to three options:



1. My supports are terrible.



2. Pressline's supports are terrible or Hydro's supports are terrible.



3. My supports are decent but not in right order for killing paladins.







Maybe I'll post my stats and see what everyone else thinks... We could compare Hydro.

[hydroblaster]

pianofrieak2 said:

Yeah, I'm starting to really feel for Sunspeak. Every 1 lvl for an archmage does very little damage, but 1 att, str, and pry lvl for a paladin does a lot.







Poor guy.







As for me v. hydro, we're down to three options:



1. My supports are terrible.



2. Pressline's supports are terrible or Hydro's supports are terrible.



3. My supports are decent but not in right order for killing paladins.







Maybe I'll post my stats and see what everyone else thinks... We could compare Hydro.

ok...i can c where pressline is coming from now. have u not seen sunsepak hit 120's!!! OMG, range may be weak, but magic?? im gonna go side with pressline now.



i propase that me and pressline (plus the many,many,many......many etc paladins and monk and templars out there) vs. paino/sunsepak (plus also the many....many....etc wizards out there) in a debate!!!







ok, ill show u the stats: a lvl 200 ranged guy does 200damage including bleeding. a lvl 200 arhcmage does 360 after the 6th round, plus any1 versing it does 0 damamge instead of 25, so reduces damage by 75. a lvl 200 mage with hp 15 below and with low ranged gets 216hp, plus around 55 aura. 271 hp total, so saying you do 25, 7, 7, 2 in ranged, thtas 41 hp, leaving an archmage with 230. and since there is 6 rounds for u to kill an archmage, you have to hit an average of 38.3 per round which is impossible for any non stre spec, and rarely by a 2* stre spec.







simulation 1, sharpy vs arhcmage vs paladin



to sum up:



200 7* ranged - 200 ranged damage + 40 magic damage (assume dies before round 6)+ 185 health + 55 aura = 240 damage + 240 health.



200 7* magic - 360 magic damage + 31 hp from low + 185 health + 75 health from the magic deduction + 55 aura = 360 damage + 346 health



200 2/2/2 pally - 35*6 (assume we do an average of 35 damage which is alot) + 90 aura + 0 magc (wen vs arhcmage) + 41 ranged + 180 hp( hp is 20 below combat) = 251 damage + 270 health







so as you can see, wen fiting a sharpy, 95% chance, but versus arhcmage, 1% chance.







painos second point. there are 4 options:



1.no ur specs are good, ur lvling pretty fast



2.i dont think presslines supports are terrible but mine are



3.it doesnt matter wat order the att, def and stre is, its all good against pallys



4.mages own prayer specs



i choose 4.



why??? well cos all the aura is used up to heal the magic instead of some reflection, magic lowers the magic you do, magic increases with the lower magic you have, and mages stil have supports.







simulation 2: wizard vs pally



200 5* magic - 70*3 magic + 41 ranged + 45 opponents magic dmage lowered + 180 health + 60aura + 40 damage (from 2 melle rounds u hit)= 291 damage + 285 health



200 pally - 10*3 magic damage (instead of 25*3) + 33*6 (assuming ur lucky that u dont miss once) + 41 ranged + 180 health + 90 arua9most of wich is absorbed) = 269 damge + 270 health







as you can see, wizards own pallys too



and not to mention the fact that wen you animate a lvl 200 arhcmage can hit in the 30's and a wizard can hit 35+ and pallys hit even lower.



ALL mages <3 prayer specs. nuff said.

[Lode]

New monster areas all the way up to level 200 AND higher. A lot higher. Pretty please?

[Pressline47]

Hold on there hydro. I am not sunspeak's lvl, not even close. I do not know at that high of a lvl what will happen against a mage. There is no reason to feel for me, I get great rate in dens.







@ Piano.. who says that 1 lvl does a lot with a paladin, a small increase in % in dens.. maybe I can get lucky and win an item. However I will never lose to someone pking and then lvl up and all of the sudden win. Never.







I do not know where you get your information, but you seem to be just making some stuff up.

[pianofrieak2]

@hydro: The only thing I'd say is that Sunspeak does not have low ranged. That really messes with your plan, though it looks real nice!







@pressline: Please don't get all defensive. Everyone knows prayer specs are overpowered as well as str specs and hit specs. Pallys have pry and str so it's quite simply to say they're overpowered.







Also, I cannot beat purepklord very often. If I hit hard enough in the beginning or he misses one round...then I have a chance of winning in the sixth round of melee (depending if I hit enough) or, if he misses once, in the sixth round of magic. Believe me, I watch my fights!







Lastly, would you rather have 10 magic lvls to hit 2-4 damage harder, be it per round (6-12 damage) or 10 att, 10 str, and 10 pry lvls with one extra aura? If paladins last until round 6 melee, they can usually win.







1. They have 3-5 aura (not much but a little)



2. Archmages are not known for their def so you will get a str bonus and rarely ever miss.



3. Archmages have little supports, so when they animate (1/5 chance), they will almost always lose.



4. You're hitting 20s-28s on him while he never hits you and waits for the sixth magic round. Plus ranged to further weaken him with your bleeding.







No offense, Pressline, but I don't see where you say I'm pulling random numbers out of the air or am totally wrong. If I am, please tell me how. I don't understand.







This is Sunspeak's case against a paladin. Think about how ridiculous that is!

[Pressline47]

I am not being defensive, I am just bothered by your attack on the class. I have no issue with most people saying prayer specs are over powered. But you saying that a paladin specifically gets a lot out of 1 level is ridiculous. It is also ridiculous that you say paladins are overpowed because you can't punch bag one 4 lvls higher. Also, if my paladin lasts PAST round 6 I will always beat a mage, however that is unbelieveably rare.







Also often when an archmage animates the weapon is so powerful that they can hit me the one time they need to finish me at round 6.

[Pressline47]

To show I do know what I am talking about here you are piano.







Two lvls higher than me, but I doubt 2 lvls will make up 25 dmg

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Barbarians Paladin Pressline47 Level (178)



vs.



Green Wizard Level (180)







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You are rank 2 Priest!!



You are rank 2 weaponmaster!!



You have rank 2 strength!!







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Enemy is rank 7 mage!!



Enemy looks massive but fails in ranged







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Preparations



Pressline47 casts Weak Blu protective aura. It can prevent 87 hits



Green Wizard casts Iron Skin protective aura. It can prevent 55 hits







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MAGIC



Green Wizard casts Desintegrate IV and



HIT for 87



Pressline47 casts Meteor strike and



HIT for 3



Pressline47's aura absorbs 21 hits



Green Wizard's aura absorbs 3 hits







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Pressline47 96 Hit || Green Wizard 169 Hit



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RANGED



Green Wizard killed a bird but Pressline47 was in other direction .







Pressline47 hits with Crystalline Short Bow for 25



Green Wizard's aura absorbs 17 hits







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Pressline47 96 Hit || Green Wizard 161 Hit



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Round 1







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 21 damage







Enemy Aura reflects 11 back to you!







Green Wizard attacks with Jade Staff and is blocked with Bloodsteel Square Shield







Green Wizard bleeds for 6 hits



Pressline47's aura absorbs 21 hits



Green Wizard's aura absorbs 17 hits







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Pressline47 106 Hit || Green Wizard 162 Hit



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Round 2







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 21 damage







Enemy Aura reflects 7 back to you!







Green Wizard attacks with Jade Staff and is stopped with Bloodsteel Chain Mail







Green Wizard bleeds for 6 hits



Pressline47's aura absorbs 21 hits







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Pressline47 120 Hit || Green Wizard 142 Hit



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Round 3







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 27 damage











Green Wizard attacks with Jade Staff and is stopped with Bloodsteel Chain Mail







Green Wizard bleeds for 6 hits



Pressline47's aura absorbs 21 hits







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Pressline47 141 Hit || Green Wizard 109 Hit



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Magic - Round 3 -







Green Wizard casts Desintegrate IV and



HIT for 88







Pressline47 casts Meteor strike and



HIT for 2



Pressline47's aura absorbs 3 hits







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Pressline47 56 Hit || Green Wizard 107 Hit



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Round 4







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 27 damage











Green Wizard attacks with Jade Staff and is stopped with Bloodsteel Chain Mail







Green Wizard bleeds for 6 hits



Green Wizard Wound close!







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Pressline47 56 Hit || Green Wizard 74 Hit



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Round 5







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 25 damage











Green Wizard attacks with Jade Staff and misses







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Pressline47 56 Hit || Green Wizard 49 Hit



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Round 6







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 22 damage











Green Wizard attacks with Jade Staff and is stopped with Bloodsteel Chain Mail







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Pressline47 56 Hit || Green Wizard 27 Hit



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Magic - Round 6 -







Green Wizard casts Desintegrate IV and



HIT for 92







Pressline47 casts Meteor strike and



HIT for 2



- Your body falls slowly on floor







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Pressline47 -36 Hit || Green Wizard 25 Hit



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Battle Summary







Green Wizard WINS !!! In 6 round(s).



Experience learned:



Fame gained: 0

More importantly

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Barbarians Paladin Pressline47 Level (178)



vs.



Menzoberranzan Archmage Level (173)







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You are rank 2 Priest!!



You are rank 2 weaponmaster!!



You have rank 2 strength!!







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Enemy is rank 6 mage!!







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Preparations



Pressline47 casts Weak Blu protective aura. It can prevent 84 hits



Menzoberranzan Archmage casts Iron Skin protective aura. It can prevent 56 hits







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MAGIC



Menzoberranzan Archmage casts Desintegrate II and



HIT for 67



Pressline47 casts Meteor strike and



HIT for 7



Pressline47's aura absorbs 21 hits



Menzoberranzan Archmage's aura absorbs 7 hits







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Pressline47 116 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 160 Hit



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RANGED



Menzoberranzan Archmage hits with Tiny Poison Crossbow for 23



Pressline47's aura absorbs 21 hits







Pressline47 hits with Crystalline Short Bow for 25



Menzoberranzan Archmage's aura absorbs 17 hits







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Pressline47 114 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 152 Hit



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Round 1







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 23 damage







Enemy Aura reflects 12 back to you!







Menzoberranzan Archmage attacks with Freezing Grasp and is blocked with Bloodsteel Square Shield







Pressline47 bleeds for 5 hits



Menzoberranzan Archmage bleeds for 6 hits



Pressline47's aura absorbs 21 hits



Menzoberranzan Archmage's aura absorbs 17 hits







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Pressline47 118 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 152 Hit



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Round 2







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 19 damage







Enemy Aura reflects 3 back to you!







Menzoberranzan Archmage attacks with Freezing Grasp and is blocked with Bloodsteel Square Shield







Pressline47 bleeds for 5 hits



Menzoberranzan Archmage bleeds for 6 hits



Pressline47's aura absorbs 21 hits







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Pressline47 131 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 130 Hit



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Round 3







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 29 damage











Menzoberranzan Archmage attacks with Freezing Grasp and is stopped with Bloodsteel Chain Mail







Pressline47 bleeds for 4 hits



Pressline47 Wound close!



Menzoberranzan Archmage bleeds for 3 hits



Menzoberranzan Archmage Wound close!







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Pressline47 127 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 98 Hit



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Magic - Round 3 -







Menzoberranzan Archmage casts Desintegrate II and



HIT for 69







Pressline47 casts Meteor strike and



HIT for 8







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Pressline47 58 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 90 Hit



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Round 4







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 24 damage











Menzoberranzan Archmage attacks with Freezing Grasp and is stopped with Bloodsteel Chain Mail







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Pressline47 58 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 66 Hit



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Round 5







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 19 damage











Menzoberranzan Archmage attacks with Freezing Grasp and is blocked with Bloodsteel Square Shield







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Pressline47 58 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 47 Hit



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Round 6







Pressline47 attacks with Bloodsteel Rapier and hits for 28 damage











Menzoberranzan Archmage attacks with Freezing Grasp and is stopped with Bloodsteel Chain Mail







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Pressline47 58 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 19 Hit



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Magic - Round 6 -







Menzoberranzan Archmage casts Desintegrate II and



HIT for 67







Pressline47 casts Meteor strike and



HIT for 10



- Your body falls slowly on floor







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Pressline47 -9 Hit || Menzoberranzan Archmage 9 Hit



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Battle Summary







Menzoberranzan Archmage WINS !!! In 6 round(s).



Experience learned:



Fame gained: 0

Did you see that piano?? Did you notice I lost to a 6* mage? I am 5 lvls higher?







Now, I have 100% on the rest of the monsters I see in the den, most of them are very weak specs though. I'm sure if there were sharpies my lvl, other mages, high hp specs, or templars I would struggle. However, like I have said from the beginning, someone in your spot has no reason to be complaining about paladins.

[pianofrieak2]

OK, Pressline, I saw your fights. You hit really weak against that archmage...that was really strange but he may have put most of his exp into defense...







We're going way OT, so I'll stop talking after this. Here are some fights against hydro's char. Pally 4 lvls higher v. Wizard (not warlock or archmage, mind you):







Encounter!



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White Knights Wizard supreme_mage Level (144)



vs.



White Knights Paladin purepklord Level (148)







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You are rank 5 mage!!







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Enemy is rank 2 Priest!!



Enemy is rank 2 weaponmaster!!



Enemy has rank 2 strength!!







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Preparations



supreme_mage casts Bronze Skin protective aura. It can prevent 47 hits



purepklord casts Adamite Skin protective aura. It can prevent 72 hits







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MAGIC



purepklord casts Deep Freeze and



HIT for 8



supreme_mage casts Meteor Rain and



HIT for 56



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 8 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 129 Hit || purepklord 97 Hit



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RANGED



purepklord hits with Dragon Short Bow for 19



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 14 hits







supreme_mage hits with Dragon Short Bow for 19



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 124 Hit || purepklord 96 Hit



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Round 1







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and misses











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 16 damage



Your Aura reflected 8 hits back to purepklord







supreme_mage bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord bleeds for 5 hits



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 14 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 125 Hit || purepklord 101 Hit



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Round 2







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and hits for 15 damage







Enemy Aura reflects 8 back to you!







purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 18 damage



Your Aura reflected 3 hits back to purepklord







supreme_mage bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 10 hits







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supreme_mage 97 Hit || purepklord 96 Hit



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Round 3







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and hits for 15 damage











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 23 damage







supreme_mage bleeds for 2 hits



supreme_mage Wound close!



purepklord bleeds for 5 hits







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supreme_mage 72 Hit || purepklord 76 Hit



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Magic - Round 3 -







purepklord casts Deep Freeze and



HIT for 7







supreme_mage casts Meteor Rain and



HIT for 55







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supreme_mage 65 Hit || purepklord 21 Hit



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Round 4







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and is blocked with Crystalline Kite Shield











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 16 damage







purepklord bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord Wound close!







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supreme_mage 49 Hit || purepklord 16 Hit



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Round 5







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and hits for 14 damage











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 28 damage







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supreme_mage 21 Hit || purepklord 2 Hit



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Round 6







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and hits for 15 damage











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 25 damage







supreme_mage falls unconscious on the floor.







purepklord falls unconscious on the floor.







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supreme_mage -4 Hit || purepklord -13 Hit



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Battle Summary







Both oponents are down.



You as attacker lose 1 fame and enemy as defender gain 1 fame!! In 6 round(s).



Experience learned:



Fame gained: -1



Enemy Fame : 1



Last Fights











Encounter!



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White Knights Wizard supreme_mage Level (144)



vs.



White Knights Paladin purepklord Level (148)







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You are rank 5 mage!!







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Enemy is rank 2 Priest!!



Enemy is rank 2 weaponmaster!!



Enemy has rank 2 strength!!







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Preparations



supreme_mage casts Bronze Skin protective aura. It can prevent 47 hits



purepklord casts Adamite Skin protective aura. It can prevent 72 hits







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MAGIC



purepklord casts Deep Freeze and



HIT for 8



supreme_mage casts Meteor Rain and



HIT for 51



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 8 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 129 Hit || purepklord 102 Hit



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RANGED



purepklord hits with Dragon Short Bow for 19



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 14 hits







supreme_mage hits with Dragon Short Bow for 19



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 124 Hit || purepklord 101 Hit



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Round 1







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and is blocked with Crystalline Kite Shield











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 19 damage



Your Aura reflected 10 hits back to purepklord







supreme_mage bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord bleeds for 5 hits



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 14 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 124 Hit || purepklord 104 Hit



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Round 2







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and misses











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 20 damage



Your Aura reflected 1 hits back to purepklord







supreme_mage bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 100 Hit || purepklord 116 Hit



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Round 3







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and misses











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and misses







supreme_mage bleeds for 2 hits



supreme_mage Wound close!



purepklord bleeds for 2 hits



purepklord Wound close!







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supreme_mage 98 Hit || purepklord 114 Hit



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Magic - Round 3 -







purepklord casts Deep Freeze and



HIT for 8







supreme_mage casts Meteor Rain and



HIT for 50







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supreme_mage 90 Hit || purepklord 64 Hit



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Round 4







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and is stopped with Crystalline Chain mail











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 27 damage







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supreme_mage 63 Hit || purepklord 64 Hit



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Round 5







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and is blocked with Crystalline Kite Shield











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 27 damage







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supreme_mage 36 Hit || purepklord 64 Hit



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Round 6







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and is blocked with Crystalline Kite Shield











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 23 damage







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supreme_mage 13 Hit || purepklord 64 Hit



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Magic - Round 6 -







purepklord casts Deep Freeze and



HIT for 6







supreme_mage casts Meteor Rain and



HIT for 56







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supreme_mage 7 Hit || purepklord 8 Hit



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Round 7







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and misses











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 24 damage







supreme_mage falls unconscious on the floor.







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supreme_mage -17 Hit || purepklord 8 Hit



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Battle Summary







Paladin purepklord WINS !!! In 7 round(s).



Experience learned:



Fame gained: -1581



Enemy Fame : 1342











Encounter!



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White Knights Wizard supreme_mage Level (144)



vs.



White Knights Paladin purepklord Level (148)







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You are rank 5 mage!!







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Enemy is rank 2 Priest!!



Enemy is rank 2 weaponmaster!!



Enemy has rank 2 strength!!







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Preparations



supreme_mage casts Bronze Skin protective aura. It can prevent 47 hits



purepklord casts Adamite Skin protective aura. It can prevent 74 hits







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MAGIC



purepklord casts Deep Freeze and



HIT for 7



supreme_mage casts Meteor Rain and



HIT for 49



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 7 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 129 Hit || purepklord 104 Hit



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RANGED



purepklord hits with Dragon Short Bow for 19



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 14 hits







supreme_mage hits with Dragon Short Bow for 19



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 124 Hit || purepklord 103 Hit



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Round 1







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and is blocked with Crystalline Kite Shield











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 26 damage



Your Aura reflected 13 hits back to purepklord







supreme_mage bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord bleeds for 5 hits



supreme_mage's aura absorbs 13 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 119 Hit || purepklord 103 Hit



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Round 2







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and misses











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 23 damage







supreme_mage bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord's aura absorbs 18 hits







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supreme_mage 91 Hit || purepklord 116 Hit



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Round 3







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and is stopped with Crystalline Chain mail











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 19 damage







supreme_mage bleeds for 5 hits



purepklord bleeds for 2 hits



purepklord Wound close!



purepklord's aura absorbs 2 hits







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supreme_mage 67 Hit || purepklord 116 Hit



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Magic - Round 3 -







purepklord casts Deep Freeze and



HIT for 8







supreme_mage casts Meteor Rain and



HIT for 56







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supreme_mage 59 Hit || purepklord 60 Hit



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Round 4







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and misses











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 24 damage







supreme_mage bleeds for 1 hits



supreme_mage Wound close!







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supreme_mage 34 Hit || purepklord 60 Hit



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Round 5







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and hits for 20 damage











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 23 damage







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supreme_mage 11 Hit || purepklord 40 Hit



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Round 6







supreme_mage attacks with Crystalline Battle Hammer and is stopped with Crystalline Chain mail











purepklord attacks with Crystalline Great Sword and hits for 27 damage







supreme_mage falls unconscious on the floor.







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supreme_mage -16 Hit || purepklord 40 Hit



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Battle Summary







Paladin purepklord WINS !!! In 6 round(s).



Experience learned:



Fame gained: -850



Enemy Fame : 721



Last Fights











Now, you see my fights.







Sorry, Silv, I've gone way OT. But I think you get the point about mag specs, lows, and the current clan situation.

[Pressline47]

I agree, we've gone off topic again.. but why is your hp 15 lvls below combat? I bet you could beat him if you tweaked supports a bit looking at those fights. Not guessing anymore, I'm pretty positive now.

[willyhenriksen]

make those dam archmages a little weaker, just kidding, but they allways beat my rank 5 wizard.







i think the game is good, im not so experienced so i cant say so much about spec's.

[pianofrieak2]

Well, I'll be raising my defense, but as you can see, I lost by 16 hp points. I'm sorry, but hp can't be raised that high. Plus, even if he misses, I have to hit him to do well. Which...I didn't.







Those were the first three fights so I decided not to waste anymore.







I will be tweaking my supports, but as you can see, magic does not always beat paladins. At least...not in my case.

[menot]

i dont always beat paladins either, they usually finish me off in round 6.