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[TICT] Bk and TT vs Tr and NBK


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Thanks for the bad sportmanship, flame and generally being ingracious in victory. Regardless of the fight which I will add was very close there was no need for your attitude. The world was set, the time was set, but we changed worlds, we waited while you made up your excuses, and then you have the nerve to flame us. You're a disgrace. Sad end to what had been a great tournament, thanks to all the other clans we fought along the way, and I'm proud of our performance, and glad that from what I saw no-one rose to your baits/flames.


this......


No offense but I find this a bit bad to believe. I mean The Titans and Blacknights establish themselves as respected clans through both power and respect for others. Is like one day you are telling me that VR is going to merge with Corruption and they are going to be best pals. I am not saying you are lying, maybe you have over reacted a bit?

That indeed looks like to be a close fight, shame I cannot be there though.


dunno what to say to this apart from lol...
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Thx for the fight TR and NBK. You guys had a very solid tournament.

Thx as well to BK who faught well all tournament as our partners.

I wasn't there for this particular fight but before anyone jumps to conclusions they would do well to understand a bit of what has occured in the past to better frame the context of what TR may or may not be saying.

I wasn't there for this fight but I was there a few rounds ago for fight in this tournament when I had to wait one hour with my clanmates for TR in a scheduled fight they eventually did not show up for. Though they did not show up we rescheduled as a tip-it official had suggested once both clans officials couldnt reach a compromise. Much in the same manner just mentioned the war today was faught on a world which a tip-it official gave once a compromise between officials failed to be reached.

Anyways from someone who in the end would rather leave this topic for what it really should be....a well faught match in cwa by 4 very deserving clans, let's leave the politicking to the officials. For the common member this was just another war and those who've been around long enough will know to just move on and look forward.

Again good fight TR and NBK. :grin:

If there are any pics of any TT who flamed before, during or after the fight please pass them on to TT officials and they will be dealt with accordingly.
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BK is primarily american based, TT is a mix.

TR is Primarily based in GMT, I have no idea about NBK.

All the servers that we went through as options were european based granting TR the advantage. The world in that was agreed upon was the laggiest piece of [cabbage] server I've ever been to, and I'm GMT + 1. The avatars were barely loading.

If I, who had 36 ms ping to the server, am lagging my nutsack off, I can only imagine how it was for our american based with 200+ms (roughly 70% of BT). Is it really that unreasonable to have a change of the world when the world that was agreed upon is crap. It's not like you can really check the worlds out in advance.

I am American, as were at least 5-10 other TR members there. None of us had any complaints about the world.

And yes, you can check out the worlds in advance - we decided on world 81 after we fought with you in world 81 for the semifinals. There were no complaints then.

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I do not understand why is my post so funny? I guess you believe my perspective is wrong? I thought it is a fact that both TT and BK are respected clans, yes I am sure there are idiots in both clans that have flamed. But Bigroror is telling me that majority of 40 people flamed without officials telling them to stop. Which to be honest, is difficult to believe. Feel free to correct me on this.
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I would like to see pictures of BK members flaming too, if they are bad punishments will be handed out
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Good fight.

And as for the flames; We dont just go out there and flame clans for NO reason at all. If WE get flamed then there will be members that flame back...

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Good job BK + TT, not happy that I missed the war :-(


Oh, and lol @ those people trying to get BT DQ'd for the win, can't get much sadder than that. Just be gracious in defeat please.
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I watched it, shame it was delayed by like 20 minutes because of TT+BK haggling over a pre-set and agreed upon war world. Resulted in RK having at least 3 DCs, one being a sniper they managed to KO and another later on to tie it up.Was an interesting fight, very close and was in both sides favor at least twice each, unfortunately the DC right at the very end at 16-14 to RK cost them the lead and eventually the victory.Thought I'd edit in that Merked05 and Z 14 deserve real props for between them, they bought NBK+TR back from a 3 man deficit. As RossM above me said, to come back from so many DCs and a few KOs to a point of winning but finally to lose to only 9 men is quite a feat.Gratz on your win BT; in future if you agree to a war world which you agreed upon in the rules, try actually living up to them and fighting there. I'm surprised RK, after waiting 20 minutes after your arriving, logging out and refusing to war on that world, didn't decide to claim victory as there was also a rule that if you are 15 mins late to war you would get DQ'd lol.

Agree completely with HAR.

Thanks for the bad sportmanship, flame and generally being ingracious in victory. Regardless of the fight which I will add was very close there was no need for your attitude. The world was set, the time was set, but we changed worlds, we waited while you made up your excuses, and then you have the nerve to flame us. You're a disgrace. Sad end to what had been a great tournament, thanks to all the other clans we fought along the way, and I'm proud of our performance, and glad that from what I saw no-one rose to your baits/flames.

this......

No offense but I find this a bit bad to believe. I mean The Titans and Blacknights establish themselves as respected clans through both power and respect for others. Is like one day you are telling me that VR is going to merge with Corruption and they are going to be best pals. I am not saying you are lying, maybe you have over reacted a bit?That indeed looks like to be a close fight, shame I cannot be there though.

You clearly have no idea lmfao.
If you were there your comments may even be worth taking into consideration, but because you're going by the propaganda blatantly being fed to you:

Don't talk about something which you have no clue about.

BK is primarily american based, TT is a mix. TR is Primarily based in GMT, I have no idea about NBK.All the servers that we went through as options were european based granting TR the advantage. The world that was agreed upon in the rules was the laggiest piece of [cabbage] server I've ever been to, and I'm GMT + 1. The avatars were barely loading.If I, who had 36 ms ping to the server, am lagging my nutsack off, I can only imagine how it was for our american based with 200+ms (roughly 70% of BT). Is it really that unreasonable to have a change of the world when the world that was agreed upon is crap. It's not like you can really check the worlds out in advance.

The world swap was Finnish, how does that make it easier for any Americans to use rather than a British server lmfao.
Also, you might've been fine on that world, but we definitely weren't. Should have been a mutual meeting in the middle. There maybe could have been if you hadn't stalled for absolutely ages.
TR and NBK American members had no problems at all with the world aswell, this was also confirmed by the last fight etc etc as said by TR above me.
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grats to whoever won =D>

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Woah, it looks like bad sportsman ship is only a minor issue right now, I will let the clan officials to fight it out.

@welly, alright, maybe their reputation is based on propaganda. Now you just need some evidence to back it up.
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I do not understand why is my post so funny? I guess you believe my perspective is wrong? I thought it is a fact that both TT and BK are respected clans, yes I am sure there are idiots in both clans that have flamed. But Bigroror is telling me that majority of 40 people flamed without officials telling them to stop. Which to be honest, is difficult to believe. Feel free to correct me on this.


Did you know Hitler coined the phrase "big lie" it essentially means someone does something so absurd and out of the ordinary nobody believes they did it.
Further Reading : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

I would like to see pictures of BK members flaming too, if they are bad punishments will be handed out

I don't have evidence as I figured you wouldn't do anything, token gestures hours after the war in attempt to salvage reputation are futile. As I said in pm the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, which means because I don't have proof it did happen, isn't proof that it didn't happen, but you were there you saw the spam towers of "too easy" and so forth.

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Woah, it looks like bad sportsman ship is only a minor issue right now, I will let the clan officials to fight it out.

@welly, alright, maybe their reputation is based on propaganda. Now you just need some evidence to back it up.

To be perfectly honest, not much flaming, just the general ignorance and bad sportsmanship was the kick in the teeth.
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I don't have evidence as I figured you wouldn't do anything, token gestures hours after the war in attempt to salvage reputation are futile.

BK always have, and always will punish flamers. Anyone who's been around long enough knows that.
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I watched it, shame it was delayed by like 20 minutes because of TT+BK haggling over a pre-set and agreed upon war world. Resulted in RK having at least 3 DCs, one being a sniper they managed to KO and another later on to tie it up.Was an interesting fight, very close and was in both sides favor at least twice each, unfortunately the DC right at the very end at 16-14 to RK cost them the lead and eventually the victory.Thought I'd edit in that Merked05 and Z 14 deserve real props for between them, they bought NBK+TR back from a 3 man deficit. As RossM above me said, to come back from so many DCs and a few KOs to a point of winning but finally to lose to only 9 men is quite a feat.Gratz on your win BT; in future if you agree to a war world which you agreed upon in the rules, try actually living up to them and fighting there. I'm surprised RK, after waiting 20 minutes after your arriving, logging out and refusing to war on that world, didn't decide to claim victory as there was also a rule that if you are 15 mins late to war you would get DQ'd lol.

Agree completely with HAR.

Thanks for the bad sportmanship, flame and generally being ingracious in victory. Regardless of the fight which I will add was very close there was no need for your attitude. The world was set, the time was set, but we changed worlds, we waited while you made up your excuses, and then you have the nerve to flame us. You're a disgrace. Sad end to what had been a great tournament, thanks to all the other clans we fought along the way, and I'm proud of our performance, and glad that from what I saw no-one rose to your baits/flames.

this......

No offense but I find this a bit bad to believe. I mean The Titans and Blacknights establish themselves as respected clans through both power and respect for others. Is like one day you are telling me that VR is going to merge with Corruption and they are going to be best pals. I am not saying you are lying, maybe you have over reacted a bit?That indeed looks like to be a close fight, shame I cannot be there though.

You clearly have no idea lmfao.
If you were there your comments may even be worth taking into consideration, but because you're going by the propaganda blatantly being fed to you:

Don't talk about something which you have no clue about.

BK is primarily american based, TT is a mix. TR is Primarily based in GMT, I have no idea about NBK.All the servers that we went through as options were european based granting TR the advantage. The world that was agreed upon in the rules was the laggiest piece of [cabbage] server I've ever been to, and I'm GMT + 1. The avatars were barely loading.If I, who had 36 ms ping to the server, am lagging my nutsack off, I can only imagine how it was for our american based with 200+ms (roughly 70% of BT). Is it really that unreasonable to have a change of the world when the world that was agreed upon is crap. It's not like you can really check the worlds out in advance.

The world swap was Finnish, how does that make it easier for any Americans to use rather than a British server lmfao.
Also, you might've been fine on that world, but we definitely weren't. Should have been a mutual meeting in the middle. There maybe could have been if you hadn't stalled for absolutely ages.
TR and NBK American members had no problems at all with the world aswell, this was also confirmed by the last fight etc etc as said by TR above me.


Excuse me but why are you trying to put words into my mouth? I did not at any point in my post state that I was fine on that world did I?
I can't speak for all BT's but I can say that the world was [cabbage] for me personally, even more so than the finnish world we went on. The world we were asking you to go to was pretty much lag free. The finnish world for me was the lesser of 2 evils.

When you say there "Should have been a mutual meeting in the middle" I don't remember you guys having an open discussion with us, which is why we brought in a Tip.it clan staffer to provide us with a bearable alternative.

I'm going off for the night, pulled a 12 hour shift from 6 am to 6 pm so I'm tired as hell. Will check in on this post in the morning.

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I don't have evidence as I figured you wouldn't do anything, token gestures hours after the war in attempt to salvage reputation are futile.

BK always have, and always will punish flamers. Anyone who's been around long enough knows that.


Then why was nothing done right there and then. I died at around 9-4 or something and I was in the jails long enough to see plenty of flame. Also see Wellys post.

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I don't have evidence as I figured you wouldn't do anything, token gestures hours after the war in attempt to salvage reputation are futile.

BK always have, and always will punish flamers. Anyone who's been around long enough knows that.

See my above post.



I watched it, shame it was delayed by like 20 minutes because of TT+BK haggling over a pre-set and agreed upon war world. Resulted in RK having at least 3 DCs, one being a sniper they managed to KO and another later on to tie it up.Was an interesting fight, very close and was in both sides favor at least twice each, unfortunately the DC right at the very end at 16-14 to RK cost them the lead and eventually the victory.Thought I'd edit in that Merked05 and Z 14 deserve real props for between them, they bought NBK+TR back from a 3 man deficit. As RossM above me said, to come back from so many DCs and a few KOs to a point of winning but finally to lose to only 9 men is quite a feat.Gratz on your win BT; in future if you agree to a war world which you agreed upon in the rules, try actually living up to them and fighting there. I'm surprised RK, after waiting 20 minutes after your arriving, logging out and refusing to war on that world, didn't decide to claim victory as there was also a rule that if you are 15 mins late to war you would get DQ'd lol.

Agree completely with HAR.

Thanks for the bad sportmanship, flame and generally being ingracious in victory. Regardless of the fight which I will add was very close there was no need for your attitude. The world was set, the time was set, but we changed worlds, we waited while you made up your excuses, and then you have the nerve to flame us. You're a disgrace. Sad end to what had been a great tournament, thanks to all the other clans we fought along the way, and I'm proud of our performance, and glad that from what I saw no-one rose to your baits/flames.

this......

No offense but I find this a bit bad to believe. I mean The Titans and Blacknights establish themselves as respected clans through both power and respect for others. Is like one day you are telling me that VR is going to merge with Corruption and they are going to be best pals. I am not saying you are lying, maybe you have over reacted a bit?That indeed looks like to be a close fight, shame I cannot be there though.

You clearly have no idea lmfao.
If you were there your comments may even be worth taking into consideration, but because you're going by the propaganda blatantly being fed to you:

Don't talk about something which you have no clue about.

BK is primarily american based, TT is a mix. TR is Primarily based in GMT, I have no idea about NBK.All the servers that we went through as options were european based granting TR the advantage. The world that was agreed upon in the rules was the laggiest piece of [cabbage] server I've ever been to, and I'm GMT + 1. The avatars were barely loading.If I, who had 36 ms ping to the server, am lagging my nutsack off, I can only imagine how it was for our american based with 200+ms (roughly 70% of BT). Is it really that unreasonable to have a change of the world when the world that was agreed upon is crap. It's not like you can really check the worlds out in advance.

The world swap was Finnish, how does that make it easier for any Americans to use rather than a British server lmfao.
Also, you might've been fine on that world, but we definitely weren't. Should have been a mutual meeting in the middle. There maybe could have been if you hadn't stalled for absolutely ages.
TR and NBK American members had no problems at all with the world aswell, this was also confirmed by the last fight etc etc as said by TR above me.


Excuse me but why are you trying to put words into my mouth? I did not at any point in my post state that I was fine on that world did I?
I can't speak for all BT's but I can say that the world was [cabbage] for me personally, even more so than the finnish world we went on. The world we were asking you to go to was pretty much lag free. The finnish world for me was the lesser of 2 evils.

When you say there "Should have been a mutual meeting in the middle" I don't remember you guys having an open discussion with us, which is why we brought in a Tip.it clan staffer to provide us with a bearable alternative.

I'm going off for the night, pulled a 12 hour shift from 6 am to 6 pm so I'm tired as hell. Will check in on this post in the morning.

"You" referring to 'Black Titans'.
Heard it's an eX-BK Tipit official.
There blatantly was no open discussion because you all logged out and refused to fight on our world out right.....
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I don't have evidence as I figured you wouldn't do anything, token gestures hours after the war in attempt to salvage reputation are futile.

BK always have, and always will punish flamers. Anyone who's been around long enough knows that.

If you would like proof of your council flaming my clan, please feel free to PM me and I'll send it all your way. However, I've contacted your leader and informed him (as well as provided him with plenty of screenshots), and nothing has changed.

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Then why was nothing done right there and then. I died at around 9-4 or something and I was in the jails long enough to see plenty of flame. Also see Wellys post.

Because BK officials (if any were there at the time) attentions would have been on the war itself at the time. It's difficult to instantly punish people without actually knowing what they have done.
Hence they rely on people being able to provide evidence of any offences.
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Woah, it looks like bad sportsman ship is only a minor issue right now, I will let the clan officials to fight it out.

@welly, alright, maybe their reputation is based on propaganda. Now you just need some evidence to back it up.

To be perfectly honest, not much flaming, just the general ignorance and bad sportsmanship was the kick in the teeth.
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I took note of this when it happened. Don't really see this to be punishable but I have brought the subject up with the member in question and told him that we don't want to see that sort of behaviour.
If you have any more evidence of flaming please provide me or any other BK officials with it.

Thanks for the bad sportmanship, flame and generally being ingracious in victory.


I don't see how this flame can mean all this. In my eyes when all the flaming going on is on this scale it's a succes.




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