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[tortilliachp]

so how many hours will it take me to get 2,7m tokkul, and which creatures are the ones i should kill for the most effective gathering of tokkul?

yes, this is an effort to find out if this is even worth considering


personal experience in gathering tokkul and gear etc. would be lovely, as would links etc. be if similar topics exist.


thanks for the help

[Grimy_Bunyip]

there was a jagex quote a while back saying it would be unlikely for you to need more than 5000 kills to get an onyx, but i don't have that quote
i'm inclined to believe the average # of tokkul per kill is on the order of 1k for the guards.

you can probably determine the # of hours based on kill rates.

[skylor12344]

Should take around 22 hours with ur stats and a steel / iron titan ( this coming from a previous post on the subject).

[Cacmypants]

A fury totally isn't worth either 22 hours OR 11mil+ (mini RAGE)

but I guess if you're going for an onyx, it roughly equates to 500k+ an hour. Which is [cabbage] all tbh.

[PereGrin]

From my experience, I can get about 1k tokkul a minute.  So it takes me about 45 hours to get an onyx.  This is using super sets, Bandos, Rune Minotaur, and whip+defender.

[3PointMan]

PereGrin, on 17 May 2010 - 12:56 AM, said:

From my experience, I can get about 1k tokkul a minute.  So it takes me about 45 hours to get an onyx.  This is using super sets, Bandos, Rune Minotaur, and whip+defender.

That is low level.

Bladewing got it in 25 hours I believe, with turmoil, soul split, extremes and steel titan.

I did it in 30 without steel titan.

[Bladewing]

3PointMan, on 17 May 2010 - 03:13 AM, said:

PereGrin, on 17 May 2010 - 12:56 AM, said:

From my experience, I can get about 1k tokkul a minute.  So it takes me about 45 hours to get an onyx.  This is using super sets, Bandos, Rune Minotaur, and whip+defender.

That is low level.

Bladewing got it in 25 hours I believe, with turmoil, soul split, extremes and steel titan.

I did it in 30 without steel titan.

Yeah, based on the rate I was getting it would take about 22 hours with what I was using. That being extremes, turmoil, whip + defender, claws + recover specials, steel titan + scrolls. Should be able to get it in 20 hours with a rapier now.

You also get a bunch of other drops which help. 10 onyx tips, 1.8 items an hour, plus gems. That should be about 300k an hour without any gems, which we'll say will cover potions. In 22 hours you'll get 6.6m in drops, plus an onyx which is 12m GE and about 60m street.

[Bagman]

22 Hours is a long time. I was going to try this, but my skills are low, lol.

Good luck if you try it though!

[i_D_r]

Technically i feel as if the fury is near it's peak, but really who knows. The fact that the gem itself is worth so much more adds a complex variable to the equation.

[Cacmypants]

Wait what? Furys are like 1mil more expensive than an uncut onyx which is 300k more expensive than cut onyx.

AWW MAN, lv90 crafters have it so easy, potential 28mil profit per inventory 0.o LOL
(not serious)

not really, since anyone with half a brain is gunna make the effort to MORPH their uncut gem into a fury through the power of assistingnessmegahaxpwn
or of course, given the caliber of most players who attain uncut onyx gems, they wouldn't even need assists.

Also, it kind of sucks that tokkuls are worth less than gp now...

[miracleman58]

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 08:55 AM, said:

Wait what? Furys are like 1mil more expensive than an uncut onyx which is 300k more expensive than cut onyx.

AWW MAN, lv90 crafters have it so easy, potential 28mil profit per inventory 0.o LOL
(not serious)

not really, since anyone with half a brain is gunna make the effort to MORPH their uncut gem into a fury through the power of assistingnessmegahaxpwn
or of course, given the caliber of most players who attain uncut onyx gems, they wouldn't even need assists.

Also, it kind of sucks that tokkuls are worth less than gp now...

You do know that an uncut Onyx is around about 60m Street = Unbuyable in the GE...

This is why people camp tzhaars, And i really doubt there is many more furies being brought into the game anymore so the price will continue to rise - Because anyone with half a brain will know an uncut Onyx is over 50m street most of the time and has been for a while.

[anonymouse_]

I get ~45k tokkul on a task of 85-90, so you'd have to kill ~5.5k (I kill the 133 and 149s).

[Bladewing]

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 08:55 AM, said:

not really, since anyone with half a brain is gunna make the effort to MORPH their uncut gem into a fury through the power of assistingnessmegahaxpwn
or of course, given the caliber of most players who attain uncut onyx gems, they wouldn't even need assists.

Also, it kind of sucks that tokkuls are worth less than gp now...

Anyone with half a brain is gonna make the effort to either keep the gem or turn it into a ring. No one is stupid enough to make a fury.

Onyx = 60m gp, 2.7m tokkul.

[Grogthurk]

Unless you don't have the assets to junk trade.

[Cacmypants]

bladewing, on 17 May 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 08:55 AM, said:

not really, since anyone with half a brain is gunna make the effort to MORPH their uncut gem into a fury through the power of assistingnessmegahaxpwn
or of course, given the caliber of most players who attain uncut onyx gems, they wouldn't even need assists.

Also, it kind of sucks that tokkuls are worth less than gp now...

Anyone with half a brain is gonna make the effort to either keep the gem or turn it into a ring. No one is stupid enough to make a fury.

Onyx = 60m gp, 2.7m tokkul.

You don't attain any extra wealth through junk trading than you do selling it on the GE,  doesn't anyone alknowledge that? -.=
That's why junk trading is broken and pointless. Just a bloated illusion

Plus, I would really like to know the reason someone would blow 60mil on junk to buy an uncut gem that is essentially useless

[Sir_Squab]

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 11:37 PM, said:

bladewing, on 17 May 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 08:55 AM, said:

not really, since anyone with half a brain is gunna make the effort to MORPH their uncut gem into a fury through the power of assistingnessmegahaxpwn
or of course, given the caliber of most players who attain uncut onyx gems, they wouldn't even need assists.

Also, it kind of sucks that tokkuls are worth less than gp now...

Anyone with half a brain is gonna make the effort to either keep the gem or turn it into a ring. No one is stupid enough to make a fury.

Onyx = 60m gp, 2.7m tokkul.

You don't attain any extra wealth through junk trading than you do selling it on the GE,  doesn't anyone alknowledge that? -.=
That's why junk trading is broken and pointless. Just a bloated illusion

Well, that depends on where your junk comes from. If it comes from buying other items that you need junk to buy, or from say borrowing items, you would get extra wealth from junk trading.

[Aiel]

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 11:37 PM, said:

bladewing, on 17 May 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 08:55 AM, said:

not really, since anyone with half a brain is gunna make the effort to MORPH their uncut gem into a fury through the power of assistingnessmegahaxpwn
or of course, given the caliber of most players who attain uncut onyx gems, they wouldn't even need assists.

Also, it kind of sucks that tokkuls are worth less than gp now...

Anyone with half a brain is gonna make the effort to either keep the gem or turn it into a ring. No one is stupid enough to make a fury.

Onyx = 60m gp, 2.7m tokkul.

You don't attain any extra wealth through junk trading than you do selling it on the GE,  doesn't anyone alknowledge that? -.=
That's why junk trading is broken and pointless. Just a bloated illusion

Plus, I would really like to know the reason someone would blow 60mil on junk to buy an uncut gem that is essentially useless

you dont need to junk trade, trade it for battle robes or something with a high street value, that are also useful. Also unsellable junk has 0 practical value, unless you have someway to get rid of it.

[shawn3090]

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 11:37 PM, said:

Plus, I would really like to know the reason someone would blow 60mil on junk to buy an uncut gem that is essentially useless

It creates arguably the single best ring in the game (single as in alone for all situations).

[Cacmypants]

Oh.. so the apparent luxury of having an onyx ring (i) makes it 60mil? pfft, spread +6 bonuses, another instance of bs overpricing due to laziness. Can't argue with that tbh.

[Bladewing]

bladewing said:

Yeah, based on the rate I was getting it would take about 22 hours with what I was using. That being extremes, turmoil, whip + defender, claws + recover specials, steel titan + scrolls. Should be able to get it in 20 hours with a rapier now.

You also get a bunch of other drops which help. 10 onyx tips, 1.8 items an hour, plus gems. That should be about 300k an hour without any gems, which we'll say will cover potions. In 22 hours you'll get 6.6m in drops, plus an onyx which is 12m GE and about 60m street.

I'd also like to add that you'll get about 2m melee xp, which is worth at least 10 hours.

Cacmypants, on 17 May 2010 - 11:37 PM, said:

You don't attain any extra wealth through junk trading than you do selling it on the GE,  doesn't anyone alknowledge that? -.=
That's why junk trading is broken and pointless. Just a bloated illusion

Plus, I would really like to know the reason someone would blow 60mil on junk to buy an uncut gem that is essentially useless

50m in junk, by the time I can GE it, is worth 15-20m. Therefore, by selling an onyx with the gem, I make about 30-35m on top of its GE price.

I would never buy an onyx ring because it isn't much better than a dragonstone (i), and for most purposes a berserker (i) is actually superior. Some people want it because it is the best, and therefore are willing to pay significantly more for that last 1 attack and defence than for the bonuses before it. GP has diminishing marginal returns on bonuses: you can buy a rune scimitar for 35k, and get 45 slash and 44 strength. Or you could pay 75k more for a dragon scimitar, which has 22 better slash and strength. Then you could pay 3m more for an abyssal whip, which has 15 better attack and 16 better strength. OR you could even spend 50 hours of your time, worth at LEAST 50m, and then 200k an hour to use a chaotic rapier. 1m buys less and less improvement the more of it you buy.

Cacmypants, on 18 May 2010 - 03:05 AM, said:

Oh.. so the apparent luxury of having an onyx ring (i) makes it 60mil? pfft, spread +6 bonuses, another instance of bs overpricing due to laziness. Can't argue with that tbh.

It's worth it for someone who has the best gear already and still wants to improve. I'd also like you to explain this "bs overpricing due to laziness" and how it has anything to do with laziness.