Promethium 2h vs. Primal Battleaxe Bind

[Cheefoo]

Which should I pick? Promethium 2h vs. Primal Battleaxe?

 

I'm 87 dging currently, so I'll have access to Yk'Lagor soon, so I was wondering what the pros and cons of Prom 2h vs. Primal Baxe are. I mostly solo currently, because I'm still trying to get a hood, and being the only hoodless in a team is hell. I'd imagine Primal Baxe is better dps on lower defence monsters, due to its faster speed but lower accuracy? I also have a csb bound along with a Promethium Platebody.

 

Also, would there be any reason to bind a Primal Longsword over either of these?

[Zaaps1]

If you're soloing definitely get the baxe. It's better than 2h in larges too if you use it properly.

 

Never use the longsword.

[Quyneax]

When using battleaxe, note two things:

You're strongest versus low defence and

You're strongest on crush (no matter what defence).

 

So prioritize zombies, skeletons, all low-level monsters, books etcetera, leave the high-defence forgottens and bats to 2hs/hexes when possible. And be sure to use your csb on forgotten warriors and brutes.

[Mazhar]

primal b axe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... jk

[Cheefoo]

primal b axe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... jk

 

Wait... what?

 

Oh, and what would the fastest way to get a t11 boss drop? Get a party of 5 people and rush small dungeons on 5:5?

[homer205]

Oh, and what would the fastest way to get a t11 boss drop? Get a party of 5 people and rush small dungeons on 5:5?

Yes.

[Neltak]

primal b axe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... jk

 

Wait... what?

 

Oh, and what would the fastest way to get a t11 boss drop? Get a party of 5 people and rush small dungeons on 5:5?

With a csb I prefer baxe by far. Not only does it have similar dps when used properly, it also makes it less click-intensive (very important for me due to my internet screwing up fast clicks in succession). Just don't get lazy, dg is a very click-intensive skill.

 

I wouldn't hunt for the drop, rather just try and do thunder floors as your occults until you get it.

 

But if you are set on hunting for it, thats pretty much how. I find it helps if all 5 are higher combat as well, but don't have any proof of that.(no actual data).

[JPMC Mate]

^ You can learn to switch effectively from 2h to csb, so that point CAN become moot. However, most don't like to practice switching from 2h to csb, so it is still valid somewhat. However, it is no excuse.

On another note, you'd be best to use 2h until you learn how to use baxe properly, so follow Enaid's advice.

[Sinkhan]

What entails using a b axe properly?

[homer205]

What entails using a b axe properly?

Using it on the monsters against which it is most effective first, leaving the monsters which it is weaker against and other weapons/styles are better against to them, though obviously if that's all that's there, then attack those. This is dependant on the monsters in the room and your team mates binds and them knowing how to use their binds. Quyneax summed up which monsters these are.

[Sinkhan]

Well that makes sense to me from a team perspective, but what about a solo one that zaaps mentioned? I could definitely see that prioritizing weaker/crush vulnerable monsters would decrease the damage taken since I clear out more monsters sooner, but does it actually increase overall DPS?

[Ginger_Warrior]

I figure this would be a stupid question ("No" is the obvious answer), but what's the stance towards using a battleaxe over a 2h when both weapons are in the same tier? (eg. Prommy Baxe vs Prommy 2h)

 

Does having a CSB in this circumstance make the battleaxe "worth it" for its one-handed nature, higher crush bonus and easier access to mage?

[notasoupbowl]

Promethium 2h pretty much wrecks promethium battleaxe. Primal 2h and primal baxe compare much better though.

 

It's generally worth a primal baxe over prom 2h. It helps the baxe shine over 2h if you pray flash, make ragers for warp bosses & prioritize weak monsters first (while in a team).

For primal baxe over primal 2h I'd add a bneck requirement + no-hex bind in there.

[Quyneax]

Well that makes sense to me from a team perspective, but what about a solo one that zaaps mentioned? I could definitely see that prioritizing weaker/crush vulnerable monsters would decrease the damage taken since I clear out more monsters sooner, but does it actually increase overall DPS?

Soloing, the monsters are of a much lower level so the battleaxe's higher raw dps is better than the 2h's higher accuracy.

 

I figure this would be a stupid question ("No" is the obvious answer), but what's the stance towards using a battleaxe over a 2h when both weapons are in the same tier? (eg. Prommy Baxe vs Prommy 2h)

 

Does having a CSB in this circumstance make the battleaxe "worth it" for its one-handed nature, higher crush bonus and easier access to mage?

CSB never really make the axe any better or worse. Things like a blood necklace, a pair of gauntlets or boots or an accuracy bracelet all favour the battleaxe. As a sort of guideline, a primal battleaxe always beats a prom 2h if you have a blood neck. A battleaxe of the same tier is really only worth it if you have two or three dps boosters, e.g. neck + gaunts + boots.

[Neltak]

^ You can learn to switch effectively from 2h to csb, so that point CAN become moot. However, most don't like to practice switching from 2h to csb, so it is still valid somewhat. However, it is no excuse.

On another note, you'd be best to use 2h until you learn how to use baxe properly, so follow Enaid's advice.

Try switching losslessly from 2h > fire surge with 700+ ping and so much jitter I can't even run a pingtest. Trust me, its a royal pain in the ass as most of the time the staff click isn't registered in-game and therefore when fire surge is clicked on I don't have sufficient runes.

 

Obviously its a non-issue with a decent connection.

[Sinkhan]

So if I currently have a gorg 2h, like to solo for the most part until my last few floors (30-35), I should switch to a baxe?

[notasoupbowl]

So if I currently have a gorg 2h, like to solo for the most part until my last few floors (30-35), I should switch to a baxe?

The baxe would be a bit better on low level things. The 2h would be better on bosses and the occasional high level mage/ranger in a gd. It compares better than prom baxe vs prom 2h. For soloing if you have a csb bind & turm/piety flash it may be worth it. Otherwise I would suggest gorg 2h over the baxe.

 

 

As a sort of guideline, a primal battleaxe always beats a prom 2h if you have a blood neck. A battleaxe of the same tier is really only worth it if you have two or three dps boosters, e.g. neck + gaunts + boots.

It depends on the tier a fair amount, like prom baxe gets pretty wrecked by prom 2h but primal baxe compares well to primal 2h.

As a general guideline, I think it needs to include pray flashing, a bneck & prioritization & discludes the use of prom baxe over prom 2h ever (unless maybe strictly soloing with bneck, csb & pray flashing)

[Sinkhan]

Well I think prayer flashing is a useful skill I should learn eventually, so I should probably learn it now rather than later. I guess I'll switch over to a gorg 2h since I have a CSB bind.

[Mazhar]

cosmics and prom 2h forget these trolls m8

[Cheefoo]

Some really interesting advice here, everyone! So far I'm certainly leaning in favor of the battleaxe. Also, how does a Primal Battleaxe stand up to a Primal 2h? I won't have access to one myself for quite a while, but I'm just curious.

[Quyneax]

Some really interesting advice here, everyone! So far I'm certainly leaning in favor of the battleaxe. Also, how does a Primal Battleaxe stand up to a Primal 2h? I won't have access to one myself for quite a while, but I'm just curious.

Basically, use the 2h unless you're really sure you'll be on a team with experienced gd clearers who'll let you monopolize zombies and shades/books etc., and if you have a blood neck. But that's really pretty rare.

[notasoupbowl]

Some really interesting advice here, everyone! So far I'm certainly leaning in favor of the battleaxe. Also, how does a Primal Battleaxe stand up to a Primal 2h? I won't have access to one myself for quite a while, but I'm just curious.

 

Primal 2h and primal baxe compare much better though.

It's generally worth a primal baxe over prom 2h. It helps the baxe shine over 2h if you pray flash, make ragers for warp bosses & prioritize weak monsters first (while in a team).

For primal baxe over primal 2h I'd add a bneck requirement + no-hex bind in there.

I recommend - Use a primal baxe over primal 2h if you: Pray flash, make ragers in warps, prioritize low def monsters first in teams, have a blood necklace, overload before floors frequently & have a csb bound.

 

Many people prefer 2h over baxe because:

- it hits better when you really need it to - i.e. on bosses, mercs, ramos etc.

- they do not understand DPS, (like prefering a Godsword over Whip because it hits higher, except in this scenario it is not clear-cut; they are quite comparable)

- they do not prioritize in gds

- they do not flash turmoil or piety

- they see almost all the best players bind 2h, as

* 2h suits hex bind more than baxe (due to dino armour & having to melee more melee-resistent things)

* 2h suits cosmics/law bind more than baxe (due to having to melee even more melee-resistent things)

 

The 2h is the best all-rounder. And most of the good dngers are suited to bind it due to their preferance in binds.

[ghjkl]

Some really interesting advice here, everyone! So far I'm certainly leaning in favor of the battleaxe. Also, how does a Primal Battleaxe stand up to a Primal 2h? I won't have access to one myself for quite a while, but I'm just curious.

Basically, use the 2h unless you're really sure you'll be on a team with experienced gd clearers who'll let you monopolize zombies and shades/books etc., and if you have a blood neck. But that's really pretty rare.

blood neck barely makes a difference when you actually run the calculations

primal 2h is better than primal baxe if you hit less than 78% of the time

prom 2h is better than primal baxe if you hit less than 67% of the time

you definitely do not hit more than 78% of the time in dungeoneering

of course this is with turmoil flashing, the worse you are at turm flashing the better the 2h is

a 2h also lets you mine 2 rocks inbetween attacks, as well as lure a melee monster closer to the door than a baxe would in between hits

also a 2h loses less damage when you have to run across the room to attack the next monster

[Mazhar]

Many people prefer primal B Axe because:

-They Don't look at map enough to miss hits

-They are forced to bind it

-They don't lure-to door melee npcs in gds

-They enjoy spam hitting 0s on Mercs & ramos

-They don't hit between actions in robot room

-Think Gd's aren't meant to be solod when not main path

-Like binding a surgebox to piss off hexers that really need the arrows from starting table so that they can spend 30 seconds extra at base to knock down some primals a bit faster cuz their battle axes are too crappy to damage them without it

-Are nowhere near my skill level

-Think straight forward DPS applies when you're not attacking half the time in a dung

-Don't know how to abuse gatestones on boss when legit-dging

-Don't abuse tele-in hits before running off

-Don't loot food or make pots between hits

[Obtaurian]

All info posted by notasoupbowl, Quyneax, and others are supported by large amounts of practical testing and research (theoretical and non-theoretical). Rahzam and ghjkl, however, have nothing but conjecture and assumptions. You can tell by their posts that they're not taking your questions seriously.

 

PM me if you'd like more information on the actual numbers and practical applications of the three weapons in question.

 

Notasoupbowl already answered your question, but primal 2h vs. primal battleaxe is dependent on a variety of factors. What Rahzam and ghjkl failed to mention is that they both do leech floors almost exclusively, which primal 2h would definitely be better for. Razham also has a hex, which would further favor the 2h.

 

Ghjkl will likely continue to post [cabbage] numbers that are backed by zero evidence (and he certainly won't post evidence). Rahzam will continue to troll you.

 

As for your original question, primal battleaxe is indeed better than prom 2h in almost every situation.