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this is current setup,I fail at switching so I will only pray range. Magic soak and defense should be high enough to handle his mage attacks.

plan is to melee 22s 45s and 90s and mage 180s and 360s and jad of course.

any alteration to my gear? brew/sup rest ratio?

aura is reverance btw,im out of points so dont suggest other,I also have 0 dung tokens and only rapier

help is needed, JAD MUST FALL
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You do not have enough offensive power to kill Jad without prayer switching.

Major upgrades to your offence would be overloads, arcane stream necklace, infinity boots, Ardougne cloak and seer's ring (imbued if possible) for a total of +15% magic damage, +7 magic levels and +21 (25 if imbued) magic attack bonus. Virtus and arcane spirit shield would add another 14 magic attack bonus.

You can lose the rapier, Vecna's skull and extreme potions. Bring 2 overloads, 2 prayer renewals, enhanced excalibur, Armadyl runes and about 8 super restores. The remaining spaces can be brews. You can mage everything and complete the caves in about 35 minutes.
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You do not have enough offensive power to kill Jad without prayer switching.

Major upgrades to your offence would be overloads, arcane stream necklace, infinity boots, Ardougne cloak and seer's ring (imbued if possible) for a total of +15% magic damage, +7 magic levels and +21 (25 if imbued) magic attack bonus. Virtus and arcane spirit shield would add another 14 magic attack bonus.

You can lose the rapier, Vecna's skull and extreme potions. Bring 2 overloads, 2 prayer renewals, enhanced excalibur, Armadyl runes and about 8 super restores. The remaining spaces can be brews. You can mage everything and complete the caves in about 35 minutes.

how is overload major upgrade if I have vecna skull,its only 1 more lvl,i can always use ext magic but I feel like 1 more inv spot would be better

I don't have arcane stream so this will have to do it,I'll change boots to infinity though
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Vecna's skull boost looks like this: +6 for one minute, +5 for one minute, ... , +1 for one minute, +0 for one minute. Average: +3 levels. Overload average: +7 levels. That's an extra 12% damage bonus.

If you feel that Jad should die this time, you should get an arcane stream necklace, that simple. It's two hours of dungeoneering for twice the chance of actually killing Jad.

Should be noted that your accuracy on Jad isn't extremely high, so any further magic attack bonus increases you can find would help.
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I beat him with no problem,soa whole way,used about 800 spells,jad was piece of cake

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I would have suggested some weapon to use your special attack bar on like EEE or something, but since you did it, congratulations.
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I would have suggested some weapon to use your special attack bar on like EEE or something, but since you did it, congratulations.


I remembered that as soon as I went it,but it was too late

but gano >>>>>>>>> jad
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Isn't swapping gando out for virtus kinda bad advice, as the whole point of gando is the extreme mage def + soak means u can 1 prayer jad and (unless i misremembered) virtus is worse for this and cannot afford the same safety when using only range prayer.

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Isn't swapping gando out for virtus kinda bad advice, as the whole point of gando is the extreme mage def + soak means u can 1 prayer jad and (unless i misremembered) virtus is worse for this and cannot afford the same safety when using only range prayer.


Yeah I was thinking this.. virtus mask would be nice for the extra lp though
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Isn't swapping gando out for virtus kinda bad advice, as the whole point of gando is the extreme mage def + soak means u can 1 prayer jad and (unless i misremembered) virtus is worse for this and cannot afford the same safety when using only range prayer.


Yeah I was thinking this.. virtus mask would be nice for the extra lp though

On task, you'd want slayer helm.
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Isn't swapping gando out for virtus kinda bad advice, as the whole point of gando is the extreme mage def + soak means u can 1 prayer jad and (unless i misremembered) virtus is worse for this and cannot afford the same safety when using only range prayer.


Yeah I was thinking this.. virtus mask would be nice for the extra lp though

On task, you'd want slayer helm.

I was on task so yea,but gano helm gives +7% magic soak so it's nice to have too

But whole cave is piece of cake with above setup and I used around 800 armadyl runes,number is a bit high because I didn't have best gear,especially for no arcane stream and no extreme magic or overload,I used vecna skull,but if you brew and restore you can use vecna again so it was a fail

but even with all those things against me,I killed jad w/o any problem and I had half inv of potions left so this is the way to go
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Isn't swapping gando out for virtus kinda bad advice, as the whole point of gando is the extreme mage def + soak means u can 1 prayer jad and (unless i misremembered) virtus is worse for this and cannot afford the same safety when using only range prayer.

You can either have 46% soak and 990 lp + brew (works out to about 1150) or 10% soak and 1390 lp + brew (works out to some 1620 lp iirc). With the latter having 9 more magic attack bonus.

Say Jad will hit 1000. With the first option you're at 518 health. With the second option you're at 700 health.

E.g. the difference isn't huge. You die in two bad hits all the same, you heal up at the same rate, it's just magic attack bonus versus investment required.
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Isn't swapping gando out for virtus kinda bad advice, as the whole point of gando is the extreme mage def + soak means u can 1 prayer jad and (unless i misremembered) virtus is worse for this and cannot afford the same safety when using only range prayer.

You can either have 46% soak and 990 lp + brew (works out to about 1150) or 10% soak and 1390 lp + brew (works out to some 1620 lp iirc). With the latter having 9 more magic attack bonus.

Say Jad will hit 1000. With the first option you're at 518 health. With the second option you're at 700 health.

E.g. the difference isn't huge. You die in two bad hits all the same, you heal up at the same rate, it's just magic attack bonus versus investment required.


So in short:
If you have virtus, or 200m ish to spare you can use that for a very minor improvement; otherwise Gando is more than adequate for everyone who doesn't have hundreds of mils to spend for a very minor improvement.

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You don't spend money on virtus. You invest it. Ganodermic is much more expensive to use than virtus, so in reality you're saving money.
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Whether you call it "investing" or "spending" you still need to have 200mil gp spare to do so compared to the 4mil or so to buy Gano.
And given that, from what I am aware of, you should only really use Gano over Ahrims for Fight Caves its not like you're gonna be spending masses on repairing it so realistically the repairing factor is still gonna leave you a good 100mil+ better off than buying Virtus even after doing a heck of a lot of Jad tasks and repairs.

Don't get me wrong, sure if you CAN get Virtus its certainly a wise choice, but for the more average non-loaded player Virtus is all but unobtainable and even with repair costs you'll probably spend less on Gando in the end.

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Buy Virtus 200m
Do fight caves
Repair Virtus 50k
Sell Virtus 200m

OR

Buy gano 4m
Do fight caves
Repair gano 200k
Sell gano 4m

Costs: 50k vs. 200k. No matter what your cash pile is, Virtus is cheaper and better. There is no such thing as 'spending less on ganodermic' the end.
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Buy Virtus 200m
Do fight caves
Repair Virtus 50k
Sell Virtus 200m

OR

Buy gano 4m
Do fight caves
Repair gano 200k
Sell gano 4m

Costs: 50k vs. 200k. No matter what your cash pile is, Virtus is cheaper and better. There is no such thing as 'spending less on ganodermic' the end.


This still relies on you having 200m to begin with; which all my replies made pretty clear that IF YOU CAN afford Virtus then yes it is the better choice. If you only have say 15m, Virtus is not the better choice in terms of getting the task done as you'd spend waaaaaay longer making the cash pile for Virtus than just doing the task.

Also its relies on the assumption (and math) that everyone uses the philosophy of flipping their armours etc back to cash straight away to make Virtus instantly cheaper opposed to those of us who buy armours etc that are useful with the intent to keep them until such a time as they are bettered or become useless which is what would make you spend less of gano in the end. Just differently ideologies on that point.

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Buy Virtus 200m
Do fight caves
Repair Virtus 50k
Sell Virtus 200m

OR

Buy gano 4m
Do fight caves
Repair gano 200k
Sell gano 4m

Costs: 50k vs. 200k. No matter what your cash pile is, Virtus is cheaper and better. There is no such thing as 'spending less on ganodermic' the end.


This still relies on you having 200m to begin with.


Yes, but if you have 200m in cash, you might as well save some time and money by buying virtus... Plus who doesn't like being at max lp? :razz:
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This still relies on you having 200m to begin with; which all my replies made pretty clear that IF YOU CAN afford Virtus then yes it is the better choice. If you only have say 15m, Virtus is not the better choice in terms of getting the task done as you'd spend waaaaaay longer making the cash pile for Virtus than just doing the task.

Also its relies on the assumption (and math) that everyone uses the philosophy of flipping their armours etc back to cash straight away to make Virtus instantly cheaper opposed to those of us who buy armours etc that are useful with the intent to keep them until such a time as they are bettered or become useless which is what would make you spend less of gano in the end. Just differently ideologies on that point.

Your second point is not relevant. There is no difference between owning the armour and owning the money.

And you're wrong on the first count as well. It's still better to make money for Virtus unless your moneymaker would be significantly faster with a fire cape.
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Sorry for going off topic but is this task not worth skipping anymore?




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