Crimsoncow42 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 New RSOF Thread launched! QFC: 83-84-132-59225246 My idea is the you could to enter a pin number (similar to the bank pin) in order to log in. This would not replace the password. It would only be an extra precaution for those who choose it. The pin screen would appear after you press the login button after you type in your username and password. It would not appear when you are in-game. This would prevent keyloggers from hacking your account. It would be optional (just like the bank pin), and you could switch between a bank pin and a login pin by talking to any banker in Runescape. So, why stop at protecting banks and houses when you can stop someone from getting into your account entirely? Again, you have the OPTION And now to protection against screenshot-taking keyloggers:[hide=]Aight, first off you need to make it so that when you hover your mouse over one of the numbers, ALL numbers disappear.Because keyloggers works like this (or they can, work as this):Everytime you click the mouse, it takes a blackandwhite screenshot of the screen with very low quality.Because of this, the image becomes very low in size, and can be sent withour much fuzz to the person who sent it to you.This is why a keylogger can get you're bank pin, it gets the four clicks, the person who sent you the keylogger looks at each one of them, and sees what numbers are gone. And voila, they know your PIN!Now, if we made it so that all numbers dissapear on clicking, people making keyloggers would have to make a screen record feature, and they'd have to make it enabled all the time since they obvioulsy don't know when you're gonna log in.That is 24/7 screen recording, even WITH low video quality, it would be a big big mess to send those extremely large video files over the internet.Secondly, you need to have this on forum login, and all other stuff like that too. With a number-blank-on-float mechanism added to the login system for the PIN, the keylogger would have to be set up in a manner that would actively bog the affected PC. In turn, the user would notice it due to all of their stuff suddenly running way slower than usual. At such, the user would then (if they are thinking) immediately run antivirus/antispyware scans, which would then reveal the running keylogger or other trojan on the PC. And we all know what happens when a user sees something they know shouldn't be there, heh heh heh. It goes bye-bye! Twisted Evil Yeah, they would probably need to run the recovery sequence on their RuneScape account if this happened, and change their pass and set new questions. But, mechanisms like this would enable them to keep their account secure more often, and much more quickly than if there wasn't something like this. Exclamation ~Mr. D. V. Devnull the numbers dissapear when you click on them, so a keylogger just takes a screeny, and the person can figure out which number you clicked fairly easily. the solution to this problem is easy:don't highlight the number when you click on it Someone said that there are keyloggers that take screenshots when you click. Well, what if ALL the PIN numbers would dissappear when you move your mouse on them?For example.[1][5][2][4][3][0][9][6][7][8]Now, let's say your PIN number's first number is 0. You see that it is in the middle, and memorise it.Then, when you move your mouse over any of these buttons, this happens..[ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ]So, when you click and the keylogger sends the screenshot to the hacker, it will have absolutely nothing informative on it! Just 10 empty red squares and your mouse!But why is this better than the one where the numbers dissappear while clicking?There is a risk that the logger takes the screenshot before the numbers dissappear. Using this there would be no risk at all![/hide] Well, due to the recent (sorta) updates, it doesn't look like we need to protect our items anymore.No, we will still need this protection added. If any hacker who wishes to do damage breaks past a user's password and logs in, at the moment, the hacker has effectively free access to a user's inventory and equipped gear, to cause damage to as they please, as well as kill the player's character and send them back to the respawn point without all the stuff. ~Mr. D. V. Devnull I really dont see whats the use of hacking some1 now...you cant droptrade items....I can think of one awful reason for a hacker to get the pass and get into any player's account....... :| To ruin a player after they've caused the hacker some kind of in-game upset that the hacker thinks they have to get back at the player over. :( This, BTW, has happened to at least a few of my friends. I pray it never happens to me, and that's why I want this movement to succeed. To help both them and myself before it happens again to any one of us. ~Mr. D. V. Devnull Good Suggestions and Comments (You should read these):[hide=]Banki like the idea also since i would to have to use the pin at bank so it wont be annoying at bank Onscreen Keyboard2 words: On screen keyboardThe on screen keyboard triggers the exact same responses as a regular keyboard. In other words, it's just as vulnerable.A keyboard sends signals to your system when a key is pressed. The on screen keyboard simply reads a click of a button in it, and replecates the signal. Keyloggers look for this signal and copy it. PoisonWhen you log out poisoned the bank pin can be fatal. This would also solve that problem. Login Waiting TimeI hated it in other mmorpg games, it takes forever. I always enter 0000 or 1111 or whichever to hurry up logging in. But since world hopping requires you wait 32~35 seconds so I'm neutral on this idea. (Neither support or anti support)[/hide] Login Screen Suggestions:[hide=]By me: Another title screen suggestion by gerre5:[/hide] Support List:[hide=]1. tripsis2. fakeitormakeit3. supercanon144. NJE035. deciever26. darkblade9867. mojo4778. jwrm229. -Devoted12-10. dsavi_x411. unkn0wnwarrior12. justj213. beniscool21814. inferno_char15. Funnibunni16. godofheaven417. [bleep]erkid18. lady_phi19. Azurechaos20. scruff636b21. muckytears22. zaaps123. dippymister24. horntail20325. sup3rpur26. x_martins_x27. zuomimiez28. Nub_Of_Noobs29. 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Crimsoncow42 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 they already have something like that. Its called a password!!!!! If some one has hacked your computer and found out your password, they would probably know the pin too. or they would just guess a 4 letter combination until they found it. P.S. This is also the second worst suggestion ever. The holiday item shop comes in first. Have you ever noticed that you click the buttons to put your pin number in? Or that the numbers keep switching around? Keyloggers wouldn't be able to get pin numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripsis Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 That was a little harsh, scootlaboot. Lets keep the comments nice. I actually think it's a descent idea. Similar to bank pins, I think it should be made optional if it was implemented. As you said, it would help protect against keyloggers. - 99 fletching | 99 thieving | 99 construction | 99 herblore | 99 smithing | 99 woodcutting - - 99 runecrafting - 99 prayer - 125 combat - 95 farming - - Blog - DeviantART - Book Reviews & Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scootlaboot Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Have you ever noticed that you click the buttons to put your pin number in? Or that the numbers keep switching around? Keyloggers wouldn't be able to get pin numbers. still all you need is a password if you keep getting hacked just do a spyware/virus scan then change your password. If you choose your beliefs/lifestyle simply based on what your parents want, then you are a weak minded individual and are not even worthy of calling yourself a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimsoncow42 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Then you wouldn't mind getting hacked the first time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssalwhip Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 they already have something like that. Its called a password!!!!! If some one has hacked your computer and found out your password, they would probably know the pin too. or they would just guess a 4 letter combination until they found it. P.S. This is also the second worst suggestion ever. The holiday item shop comes in first.I was going to say the same thing as the password Your name is "bet you fail", and you're starting a business with your mom? I'm not even going to touch that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeitormakeit Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I've never gotten hacked before because I'm cautious on what I click on and scan my computer frequently but it is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercanon14 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Have you ever noticed that you click the buttons to put your pin number in? Or that the numbers keep switching around? Keyloggers wouldn't be able to get pin numbers. still all you need is a password if you keep getting hacked just do a spyware/virus scan then change your password. yeah u get hacked the first time and lose evey thang u dont realy need the password any more eah? ontopic: i think u can talk to the bank people and ask for a bank pin then that would go to the front page to DoD:S ownagewhat we have here is a ..um.. failur to communcate check out my steam ID page @ alpha company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThruItAll Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 With all due respect, I think this is pretty pointless. Most people have said, when they got "hacked" they got hacked by giving their password to one of their trusted friends. Sorry, but I don't support. danke Schon Sam!^^"Blood runs thicker, oh were thick as thieves you know"-Carl Barât Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJE03 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I think it's a good idea. Though I personally have never been hacked, I think those would have would really get some good use out of a pin being placed at log-in. [spoiler=Stats:]Updated December 22, 2011: Total level - 1442 - 170M+ XP , Combat level - 115Combat skills: Attack - 90, Defence - 99 (24.45m+ XP), Strength - 90, Constitution - 99 (16.42M+ XP) Ranged - 99 (13.32M+ XP), Prayer - 60, Magic - 99 (13.25M+ XP)Non-Combat skills: Cooking - 99 (13.80M+ XP), Woodcutting - 99 (31.95M+ XP), Fishing - 90, Firemaking - 99 (24.82M+), Crafting - 90, Smithing - 90, Mining - 85, Runecrafting - 60, Dungeoneering - 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deciever2 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 This would work well, you could have the option of enabling or disabling just like the bank pin and also the option of making your account pin your bank pin. Dragon Drops: D spear x 2, D skirt, D half-shield, D axe, D 2hBarrows Rewards: Ahrims hood, Karil's Coif, half key x 6, D med, torags legs, veracs flail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subtle_rune Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Bah, I was going to make this idea, but you did the numbers in numerical order, which means that if someone hacks into your account, they have your bank pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superstyle4 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 they already have something like that. Its called a password!!!!! If some one has hacked your computer and found out your password, they would probably know the pin too. or they would just guess a 4 letter combination until they found it. P.S. This is also the second worst suggestion ever. The holiday item shop comes in first. Darn straight..... :XD: IMG]http://sig.runeweb.net/sig/12/Superstyle4.png[/img]Xbox Live Username: ILINI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatebringer Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 its ok but it seems to easy. I had an idea where you could put a pass with a keypad, and it would be just like entering a pass, except it uses a keypad. Then the letters would move just as normal on a bank pin. no matter what, a keylogger would be able to take ur pass. and with over 26 latters+numbers it would take weeks to go through all the possible combos 99 Fletching 99 Attack 99 Constitution 99 Cooking 99 StrengthGamertag: H8tebringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkpunk_24 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Probably not. The fact is, if you have a keylogger, your RS password should not be your first priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkblade986 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 You all seem to be missing the idea behind this. The idea is that if you don't get the pin number, you don't get into the account. If someone were to try to brute-force the bank pin, then the account could be temporarily disabled then due to suspicion of the account being stolen. don't worry, you are going to "hell" anyway. wanna race to see who gets there first?Officially reached 100 Combat at 1:33PM EST, June 14, 2007First Dragon Drop: Dragon Chain (Dust Devils) @ 10:48PM EST, July 14, 2008, lv113 combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo477 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 i like the idea also since i would to have to use the pin at bank so it wont be annoying at bank also it can have a switch to show every time you log in or only every time you go to bank after logging in Mojo477 has had to quit members so i need friends to talk to on my pure Lived4devil so please add her"The elves having helped create the crystal saw is like Greenpeace having helped create a nuclear seal skinner" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwrm22 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 nice idee, and to all ppl that are spamming cuz hackers will find out cuz they can hax your pass... then i say: no... most keylockers that they use for rs do only write down what you enteren on a site, inh word, notepad, msn, everything... but they cant see what you are doing with your mouse... youll need a mutch bigger program for that... and if you got hacked and got phat on you... your phat is gone after you log back in, but when you banked it it will be mutch safer... same with barrow armour etc... maybe a solotion: enter ingame where you want a bank pin or where you wont... example: i wanmt a bank pin on: dropping stuff, bank, poh, and so on... but i dont want one for my custume rome... ^^ click my sig for my lesser ranging guide ^^jwrm22: 4816th > 99 cooking 100% f2p !1172 total! + 140mil in items.i dont play anymore... i think rs is ruined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimsoncow42 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 Was that a compliment? I couldn't tell. Well anyways, the whole purpose of the pin number is to stop hackers (who don't know you) with keyloggers from take your stuff. This has nothing to do with giving passwords to loyal friends. I agree that if you do get a keylogger on your computer that you have worse things to worry about, but it would protect your account. That would be one less thing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coonas Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 2 words: On-screen keyboard Quest cape got at 25th july 2007! Did grim tales and mouring end 2 to get same day!99/99 strength got at 30th september 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwatake Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 What's the point... If they have the ability to make themselves more secure (e.g. make a good password and don't give it out, use the bank pin system) but don't use it, they aren't likely to use this either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkblade986 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 2 words: On screen keyboard The on screen keyboard triggers the exact same responses as a regular keyboard. In other words, it's just as vulnerable. A keyboard sends signals to your system when a key is pressed. The on screen keyboard simply reads a click of a button in it, and replecates the signal. Keyloggers look for this signal and copy it. don't worry, you are going to "hell" anyway. wanna race to see who gets there first?Officially reached 100 Combat at 1:33PM EST, June 14, 2007First Dragon Drop: Dragon Chain (Dust Devils) @ 10:48PM EST, July 14, 2008, lv113 combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Devoted12- Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I think this is seriosuly a brilliant idea. Keyloggers won't get in, and then you don't have to worry about going to a bank and banking your stuff before you log out in fear of getting hacked. Passwords don't always work guys. Good suggestion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnibunni Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 how bout this: Username: funnibunni9 password: ********************** pin number: **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Devoted12- Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 how bout this: Username: funnibunni9 password: ********************** pin number: **** This achieves nothing. Your trying to stop keyloggers. This won't cut it. it's just like have 2 typable passwords. It has to be a movable pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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