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I hope my metabolism doesn't stop dead in it's tracks.. I enjoy eating. I suppose I could take up another hobby such as stamp collecting, though. :wall:
Don't count on it :lol:
I started early, tried to control my eating in my 20s so I wouldn't have to change much if I did start gaining weight. And yes, it has happened despite that. The same thing happened to my father, so I guess I should have expected it :cry:
Then again, with a BMI that hovers around 22, I'm certainly not overweight yet. But the spare tire cometh, and stress from the hard economic times isn't making me put in more hours at the gym :oops:
How does clean & jerk compare to deadlift? Here in the US we don't do much cleaning or jerking. I'm working at triple plates for deadlift, but it's becoming a struggle to even maintain my current weight. Middle age is a killer...
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Switching takes skill, pking takes skill, you shouldn't need to be on a constant look out for pjers.
Both of those are fairly easy. More skill generally isn't a bad thing.
Also, you can't teletab from dark bows at close range. In crowded areas there are typically people who are "under" other people and you can't see them, so you have no warning when you get pjed.
Be. Aware. Of. Your. Surroundings.
Id rather have fun pking thank you very much.
So would you rather Jagex had a "enter PVP combat" option that ate, switched prayers, specced when your opponent dropped below 50 HP, and teled when you were out?
Oh and.
I'm arguing against what I believe in to judge and hone my debating skills. http://xkcd.com/106/
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Ah so we get back this point all over again. It seems you do not understand what is meat by the value of experience. We went through this ages ago where I explained it, and yet you still have not grasped the concept. Just because a Herblore cape takes longer and costs more to obtain, does not make it more valuable. It is not a matter of how much the skill gains/loses or necessarily the time it takes to gain the experience.
A person might train to 99 firemaking (the most useless skill in the game - in my opinion anyway), and that person also trains to say 99 Herblore. From that information alone, can you tell which is more valuable? No you cannot. You can state your own value, but not theirs. This person might hate the Herblore skills and love the Firemaking skill. They could enjoy Firemaking and to them it is the best skill in the game. That means to them, Firemaking is more valuable than Herblore.
Value is not so much a set amount, but rather it is relative to the other skills. While a player might be able to say the exact amount they value a skill, they can tell how much they value it with respect to the others. It is seperate to what it costs to obtain the experience. If you don't understand this, then say so. I could try to clarify it, but it really is not that difficult a concept and i'm not sure I can simplify it any more.
Look, do we need to go through this again? I'm not counting "fun" in this equation, it's a mathmatical calculation to determine which gives a specific result in the shortest amount of time. I can say with unquestionable certainty that the most efficient method to train firemaking takes X amount of time vs. Y amount of time for herblore when the GP and other skill XP effects are standardized.
Half 400k, or half 1mil? To suggest it is only 200k an hour is ridiculous so I am assuming you meant 1mil. That means you are saying it is possible to average 500k an hour. That means the average profit that a player who can also obtain 103k melee experience at Armoured Zombies is at least 500k if not more.
But that is luck based, and as mentioned earlier, very few people can go to bandos GWD any time they want - near peak times, there are far more teams and profit rates drop; plus, few people have the luxery of being able to go to GWD and spend 4-5 hours without a break.
So by saying to all those people in H&A forum that 825k is possible, you were lieing? Your posts here and there contradict one another. If what you say here is correct, and that if people used this method, then getting 825k is impossible. That means any time you said Aviansies was 825k to someone in H&A you were leing. If what you said there was true, that means that 8225k is possible for other people. It is one or the other.
825k is possible, but not for the average player.
In doing so, you train combat by gaining combat experience. As such, you gain the fastest combat experience in the game. Why is that hard to understand?
Because your only training a portion of combat. As mentioned earlier, ALL combat skills must be taken into account.
If you are referring to the rate proposed around page 12-15 I think it was, had you read what I had posted at all, I never said that it was my rate. I had also always stated that I believed my rate to be higher, and when tested my rate did indeed prove to be higher.
I'm referring to every rate argument we had leading up to where you left for a month and returned with your new rates.
What is this evidence of which you speak? I have seen no evidence that shows Armoured Zombies are more efficient than Slayer. There is only you saying it is, with no evidence pointing to it. My response there was directly due to you claiming I do not post evidence to support what I have posted. That I do not explain what I have, that I don't show how I got to the conclusion. That was false and I responded to it as such.
I have given my rates and the formulas proving slayer inefficient.
What evidence? There is only you claiming that there is evidence to support your claim, but you have posted any such evidence. Either the evidence does not exist or it does, but you are unwilling to post it for whatever reason. If that is the case then it stands to reason that what you say cannot be taken as fact regarding this matter.
Quite simple; it's the 16-32-64 max hit of 0-65-175 strength bonus proving the 50\50 split. This isn't rocket science.
You saying yours is the most accurate conclusion is not necessarily accurate at all. Lets say for example that a new element is discovered. We know nothing about it other than the fact that it exists. I could then say it has an atomic weight of 278.4. I could then claim it is the most accurate conclusion because there is no evidence the contrary, regardless that I have no evidence to support my claim. That is essentially what you are doing.
Continuing the analogy, we see the 3 elements before it with atomic weights of 275.4, 276.4 and 277.4, with the 3 above it at 279.4, 280.4, and 281.4. Yeah, it could be totally different, but it's likely 278.4 and at most varying between 276.5-277.3.
Where is this large margin of error you say exists? Where did you even get the arbitrary number of 30%? I have been through that thread many times and never seen such a number nor that large a difference in his numbers. Once again you have no evidence to supoort your claim. Profit rates are proportional to experience rates. See what profit you get for a set amount of experience, this number can be adjusted to equal the amount of Slayer experience per hour he gets and the hourly profit rate for a given task.
Referring to the slayer->summoning XP rate listed in each task's details.
The methods in this thread you have proposed must be used are simply pathetic in my opinion. They are terribly inefficient and I would not use them given a more efficient method. So I will continue to use a cannon because I know for a fact it is more efficient than not to. I will continue to use combat familiars because it is more efficient than not using one. It is that simple.
I have proven them mathematically; opinionated arguments like you "know" it isn't going to help anything unless you post numerical proof.
You have not come up with any substantial error in his rates with which you have evidence to back up.
Other then that they differ from mine in some cases, and in others are using different rates (and are therefore irrelevant). I also thought you might find this quote from him interesting:
Training efficiently, I estimate that slayer gives only about 20-25% slower combat xp than the fastest non-slayer methods.
I searched for the term "47 min". Surely if you had mentioned that rate before, it would be found in the word document. Only 2 results came up, which was referring to the difference in posting times. So you have never mentioned a rate of 47 minutes before. Your posts indicate you have not properly read that guide, regardless of how many times you say. That thread is all that is truly needed to show Slayer is better, in which case this thread would never have existed. You are too arrogant however to think someone could be getting a better rate than you.
You will notice that I gave my XP rate for Spectres. It could be assumed that from such it would be possible to calculate average task time.
You may have esaggerated, but it was not an exaggeration of "his" posting mannerisms.It may have come across to you differently, but that's how I interpreted it.
I have read, and you did no such thing. All of those calculations were based on Qeltar's numbers, which on their own are terrible inefficent and lower than the average. Upon my own testing of Bloodvelds, I conclusively proved a cannon efficient at 400k an hour. The only real way to prove it is to perform the test yourself, because Qeltar's numbers are terrible. You have even claimed you performed 80 hours of testing with a cannon. Yet there was no such mention of it earlier in the thread nor any evidence agreeing with that you have done any such test.
What "evidence" can be given besides rates, which I have already given? So far, you still have not provided any mathematical evidence of a cannon being superior.
May I ask how someone of your claimed intelligence can miss the point by this much? The logic behind a method is not hundreds of pages of text. It certainly did not encompass the entirety of the first 40 pages either. You are using this as an excuse (a pathetically bad exucse at that) just so that you will not have to post your methods. If it is as you say that Slayer is inefficient, would that not mean you would have more to gain by posting this and showing once and for all Slayer as inefficient?
It most certainly is; the pages of me and you listing calculations and arguing about methods are enormous. There really isn't much else in those pages.
Yes how could you? At the rate I was killing them, extrapolated to an hour does given an accurate approximation of the rate. As such it was not entirely accurate, it was a few thousand experience below what I normally achieve. This is you once again using any excuse you can think of to keep saying Slayer is inefficient.
I've had 1 hour long sessions that vary 10%. I've gotten 25% variance in a 10 minute test at armored zombies. Taking a 6 minute example and trying to extrapolate it is laughably inaccurate; for all I know, you hand picked the best session. Heck, I could make armored zombies out to be 130 or 140k XP\h if I recorded a few minutes of my best rate.
I've read the message, it was not covered. It specifically says "They were taken from the last iteration of numbers throughout the thread." That means the last numbers you had posted throughout the thread for each NPC is what your rate actually is. Not once where any of the numbers you posted found. I even made a mistake where I said only 2 were not in there. You actually said we had never agreed on Dust Devils and Gargoyles, as well as 2 or 3 others. So out of the 13 you gave, according to you, only 8 or 9 were ever actually within the thread. Does this not conclusively prove that no matter how much anyone looked, no-one would ever find your rates (experience and profit) for every task? The only correct answer is that it does prove that.
No, it does not. Those were not specifically my rates - they were my rates, taking into account Qeltar, Zarfot (and occasionally) your rates to see where mine differed greatly, possibly due to inefficiency of mine.
When I asked for rates, I was expecting all of the rates. Not 8-9 rates of simply melee experience per hour. I wanted (and still do) your Slayer rates per hour as well as the Ranged, Hitpoints, Summoning and Profit. How else can there be a comparison? Now you cannot use the bs excuse that they are in the thread, as it has been conlusively proven they are not. Why is it so difficult to post a table outlining average experience rates for each skill of each NPC and the profit rates that accompany them? When you do that a comparison can finally be made to see why your rate is so much lower.Isn't it quite simple? Those are ALL the tasks I do. I did not include a cannon in results; calculations proved a cannon inefficient or having a statistically insignificant effect. As I mentioned earlier, profit rates and summoning XP can be found in my thread. I've spoon fed you enough; go back and look if you want the details. Slayer XP, for the most part, is melee XP / 4.
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I'm sick of arguing about all this crap about f2p and p2p. Its all because of that idiot howbadisbad that sparked off a huge debate that wastes space, time and effort.
You win. I don't care what crap you say about jagex never going to update f2p in such a way that they won't gain money from it.
But I like debates :(
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So other people CAN do it, just not everyone at once. That makes sense. (No, that isn't sarcasm.)
Ok :P
I'm just saying that it's not a viable method for the average player.
Ah, so that's your secret to getting 825k. Stealing kills :)
That's around 150k of it :lol:
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That is an opinion and not fact. So how can that be proof? The point is if one person can do it, other people can also do it. That means at the moment other players with maxed stats are quite capable of getting your rate of 825k per hour.
No, because if they were no one would be getting 825k per hour.
You do realize that there's no way addy bars can go under 1900 or so gp each? Only 20% less then they are now, and of course there's the rune daggers and other stuff that aviansies drop.
But the location itself can't support many 825kers. 825k counts leeching off newbs and attacking twi specific avansies - a few more high levels doing what I'm doing would drop profit drastically.
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Well, im not an insane pker like who who pays attention to about 5 different people at once ready to teletab at the slightest sign of a pj.
You really shouldn't be forced to do that just because jagex won't fix it.
It's part of being a skilled PKer. I'd rather some elements of the game were left to skill rather then eliminated by design, thank you very much.
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Youve got to be kidding.People on the top of my level range can take off all my health with one hit if there lucky with gmaul/dark bow.
People at my level range can take off more than half my health with gmaul/dark bow if they are lucky.
Dark bow has a huge hit delay. You can tele long before the arrows even leave his bow. G maul has no long range attack; don't PK when there's someone standing next to you with a maul #-o
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There are hardly any pures/low levels in non crowded areas.
Unless its multi combat, in which your bound to get owned.
If your a pure\low level, you don't have nearly as much to be worried about PJing. Keep an eye on your surroundings and be quick with the tele and you'll never have a problem.
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Where did I suggest that everyone should tell us how much they value experience? The most accurate way is to start off on the basis that all experience is valued equally. If someone else does not value their experience that way, they can assign their own values. That does not mean everyone needs to come on here and post their results.
Why is that so difficult?
Because all experience value is NOT the same. Do you view herblore cape just as hard to obtain as, say, cooking cape? No, the herblore cape takes longer to obtain and earn the money for, and therefore the value of the XP is greater.
How was I flaming or being an idiot? It was nothing but a logical based argument. If it is not 1mil per hour now, what is the average you can get there? If it is over 400k my point still stands.
Nowdays the average is roughly half that, but it's luck based and more competitive. Few people have time to drop everything in RL and go bandos for 4-5 hours.
That is an opinion and not fact. So how can that be proof? The point is if one person can do it, other people can also do it. That means at the moment other players with maxed stats are quite capable of getting your rate of 825k per hour.
No, because if they were no one would be getting 825k per hour.
Range is a combat skill. Hitpoints is a combat skill. By training them you are training combat. Combat includes all of those yes, but that does not mean all of them have to be trained for it to be considered combat training. Again, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
No, you are training a portion of combat. There's a very large difference.
I believe you said something like you were testing them in game to ensure accuracy. Something along those lines. What does this have to do with the rate I proposed earlier in the thread? If you had even bothered to read my post or used any sort of logic, you would have seen from the get go, that they were assumptions and not my rates. It is not my fault you were incapable of understanding that, because throughout the entire thread, I have never indicated otherwise. I have always stuck to saying that I believed my rate to be higher than that, and it is.
No, I would not have. You stated your rates as if they were what you obtained, not what you "assumed" you could obtain.
I don't huh? Look above to where I have been mentioning the value of experience. Have I not been consistently and constantly explaining it to you? Hence it is agreeing with what you just quoted, and you saying "Again, you most certainly do not" is nothing but a pathetic attempt to say otherwise. If I am biased to Slayer for any reason it is because I have already shown Slayer is more efficient than Armoured Zombies. It is only a matter of showing you that. Your bias for Armoued Zombies comes from you unwilling to be wrong and adamant that you are correct, when the evidence says otherwise.
And I am just as adamant that you are wrong and are unwilling to admit it despite considerable evidence to the contrary. That's frequently known as a "debate". Further points to this nature will be ignored, as it's nothing but spam and is contributing zero to deciding with is superior.
So because there is no evidence for any way to work it out, that must mean you conclusion, which was also based on no evidence must be correct? You have provided no evidence to back-up your claims. That means everything you just said was opinion. And according to you and using your logic, that just isn't going to cut it. In other words, what you have just said was irrelevant (based on your logic that opinions with no evidence are irrelevant).
As stated before, my evidence is in the form of backing up the 50\50 split; if there were stronger evidence to the contrary it could be overturned, but as there is not it remains the most accurate conclusion at the moment.
Do you seriously know what a detail is? He provides much more detail in every aspect of Slayer than you, me or anyone else I know of. Explain to us then, what details is he supposedly missing? His methods are not seperate from what "we" have been using, maybe from what "you" use. I do not follow every method exactly, but most of my methods are based on those presented in his guide. You actually think the Summoning rates very by30-40%? Upon what basis did you come to the conclusion? It cannot be factual as you have no evidence onec again to support your claim. There is alot of details, they are all presented in an orderly fashion and are not difficult to find. However I will say again so you don't miss it. Explain to us then, what details is he supposedly missing?
I have already gone over this several times. My main concerns lie in the large margin of error he gives himself - a variability of 30% makes calculations of this nature impossible. Additionally, as he is not separating his profit rates, it's impossible for us to adjust for the falling prices (Dark bow is a good example; what would be earned now is a fraction of what would be earned a few months ago), and in many cases his methods differ substantially from the ones we are debating.
From the get go when I supplied these rates, I explained how I calculated the experience for each charm. It was using the average from my current level up till 99. I also said that my specific rate would not apply to everyone. You are only showing you do not fully read what I have posted. The point is consistency. Someone with my levels will generally have a higher Summoning level than low.
Someone your level could also have higher slaye rlevel then low. Averages must be worked for everyone, not a specific person.
Then that means it has nothing whatsoever to do with what you posted. The link in your thread directed me straight to that quote. I was responding to that post in which you mentioned that link, not about the moderators and supposed flame war. Not my fault you were incapable of telling the difference between them (especially considering the post of yours I quoted and responded to).
I posted discussing flame wars vs. actual debates. Pick which one you want to talk about.
You are also trying to bias other peoples opinions of Morningrise333 to suit you. What you posted in quotation marks was not said, and it only shows you are trying to make him like worse than he is. "It takes me 20 minutes to do a spectres task. How long does it take you, an hour? Two? Read Zarfot's guide. I think you'd really benefit." You will also find you had never mentioned it took 47 minutes to complete the task. You mentioned 45 minutes.... on the next page of the thread. Was he supposed to be psyhic and know that you were going to post that number on the next page?
I posted my rates long before he posted that, as well as saying that I had read Zarfot's guide many times - further proof he never bothered to read my replies. Additionally, it's quite obvious I wasn't quoting him word for word; I was using exaggeration of his posting mannerisms to illustrate my point.
Nor was the cannon ever proven inefficient. I know that as a fact and the replies earlier in this thread support that.And yet a cannon was never proven inefficient.
Then read the earlier replies more carefully; I conclusively proved cannon to be inefficient at 400k\h, and no further evidence to the contrary has been presented.
Nor would it be hundreds of pages of text in a word document. You are just looking for any excuse to get out of saying them.
May I ask what purpose would be served by coping the first 40 pages of this thread into several posts again?
There is a mistake there, you used the word "claim". The word claim infers I had no evidence to back up that rate... since I did, it was not a claim. There is evidence of other people attaining and surpassing this rate, I even showed a short vid showing it.
Ah yes, that 6 minutes video of your rates. How could I ever dispute it :roll:
It took you 4-5 days for that? Only 13 rates were given. Which you have admitted that 2 were not even present in the thead. That leads to only 11 having been supposedly posted. So you know what I did? Since I have the entire thread in a word document, I hit "ctrl+f" and typed in each of those numbers. Not one of them was found, meaning those rates were never given. Well, fair enough, maybe you gave the rates to the nearest 1,000 experience. So I looked for those too.
For the very first one, rounding off to the nearest thousand, I got that rate for that NPC. Sadly, that was a rate I supplied, which came directly from Zarfot's guide. It was never found again to be in reference to that NPC. The 6th NPC I found down the list I found a number for that to nearest thousand. It however was found in the exact same post as the previous one, a rate that I supplied directly from Zarfot's guide. After those two, not once did I find one of those numbers with that NPC. I guess all you did was show that those rates were never posted in the thread. Especially considering to get an average rate to 5 significant figures (6 for one task), and since those numbers weren't in the thread, you had to test every single one of them to get those rates.
So I guess now we have undeniable proof that you have never posted your rates in the thread. Anything indicating as such was a lie. Not to mention there was only 11 (13 but two you said were not agreed upon) different NPCs supplied, that would infer that if these numbers came from the thread, that only 11 had been given. This furthur proves that you have never posted all of your averages for each task. Hell, you only gave melee xp/h rates, no Slayer, no summoning, no profit rates.
See, didn't even mention the specific rate you gave or to which NPC each were related. Didn't need to show you have lieing all along.
Covered in the PM. Those rates were not my numbers alone; I took into account Qeltar and Zarfot's rates (and in two cases, yours) on tasks that they used similar methods to try and obtain the most acurate picture of what can be expected from those tasks.
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Close your eyes, or don't right click on them...
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They could always shut down the credit card method of payment for members.
Way, way too many of us in the USA pay by credit card with no other good option. Cheap for Jagex, too - credit card fees are low.
I personally would love pvp worlds, if pjing were removed.
Don't PK in crowded areas, or simply be aware of your surroundings and fast on the teletab. As a skilled PJer\Rusher, I can tell you that an experienced PKer has little to fear from us. We're pretty easy to escape.
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He explains why such a large range is used -- it's not a margin of error, it's an attempt to account for low and high summoning levels.
But since we are referring to almost-solely Slayer training via summoning, we can accurately establish what level and pouches will be used.
I would also be interested in the task rates.
You agree not to post them or discuss methods without referring to my prior calculations?
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PM sent to dfchester and ydrasil with task rates. If anyone else would like a copy, get in touch with me. Understand that methods will NOT be discussed. I've done enough spoon feeding as it is; if you wish to obtain further details, read my thread.
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http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Glorious_memories
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Defender_Of_Varrock
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Ratcatchers
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/My%20Arm's%20Big%20Adventure
Did you just copy and paste all of those or what? #-o
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no it's just lazy throwing a random link up.
Not when the link is relevant and backs up your point; otherwise your simply throwing out opinions as "facts".
And what exactly is your point? That you're trying to get into an arguement that has nothing to do with you or this thread?
No, but you certainly seem to be. The post where YOU started it is located at viewtopic.php?f=66&t=785300&start=120#p6609160. I'll re state my point, as you seem to be hopelessly confused: Providing a respectable source that back up your fact and proves it to be accurate will beef up your argument, shorten the total argument time, and eliminate petty personal argument that detract from the main debate.
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So what if f2p has all the characteristics of a demo? Jagex has already clearly stated that f2p is not a demo, but an independent version of the game. They make money from the member's game to update it. Nothing wrong with that. And why would Jagex false advertise if they're not going to gain anything from it? Do you think they're just trying to piss the members/f2pers off?
Did you really just skip the past 2 pages of discussion? Please go back and read viewtopic.php?f=66&t=784101&start=320, you might find it very enlightening.
Compfreak, you're severely underestimating Jagex as a brutal and heartless company set up just to make money. Sure, that is one of their motives, but they are not, unlike some companies who try to get as much money as possible by hook or by crook.
At the end of the day, a company is designed to make money. If they produce a large profit, they can reinvest it in members to make the game even better, snowballing into an immense, awesome game. Pouring money into a large hole labeled "FTP" isn't a part of that plan.
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So if we did not agree on that, does that mean you believe there is a universal value of experience for everyone that ever has, will or does play Runescape? People have differing values of experience, that is true. However, provided they have the same/similar levels and use the same method, they will gain the same/similar average experience rate per hour. The most accurate way to compare methods is to let everbody see the rates and assign their own personal value to it. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Because it is impossible. We can't have every single person who's ever played RS come in and tell us how much they value XP, then average it to get a number. It can ONLY be calculated using time.
So you admit you were lieing when you average 1mil an hour at Godwars? If you aren't lieing, that means anybody with the same stats will average the same rate. Luck-based is factor, but the point of the average is to account for that. Some may make more per hour, some make less, but the average overall will be a set value. In this case it can be considered to be 1mil an hour, I am not entirely sure of the exact average however.
No, I "admit" that bandos hilts were 43m when this post was typed and are currently hovering at approx. 18m. Stop acting like a flaming idiot.
So you are saying that out of over a million members, only you and "a couple others" are able to make over 450k an hour? If one person can do it, then another person with the same stats and using the same method can also do it. So in this case that means if you can make up to 825k an hour, using your method with same stats means other people can also get it.
No they can't - if even 1/3rd the people at Avansies used my methods, everyones profit rates would drop BELOW 450k\h. That alone proves that few can do it - aside from the fact that in over 60 hours there I've never seen anyone else attempting anything resembling my methods.
Wow, you have got to be kidding me. After all this time you finally agree with me, and you make it out as if I was wrong all along. When have I ever indicated that chinchompas at Ape Atoll give experience in any other skill than Range/Hitpoints? As I have said from the very beginning, and that has not changed, is that doing this will give experience in combat skills. Due to the amount of experience it gives, it is the fastest combat experience in the game. It is not a difficult concept...
But it doesn't train combat, as combat encompasses melee, range, and magic.
If I am to understand this correctly. You are trying to ensure accuracy by resting them in game? One would think considering how you refer to them in the past few pages that your rates are 100% correct, which would mean there is no need for testing to ensure accuracy.... I mean, unless the rates you supplied where never accurate in the first place.
Could you point out where I said that? I'm really curious. Perhaps you have a rebuttal via your admittedly "made up" rates? I was trying to accommodate for them to pacify you, as I had no idea you were simply throwing out random numbers.
Every single time I go into posting or arguing about numbers, I always explain how I come to the conclusions I did. I show how I did it and provide information of how it was obtained. If someone disagrees with my rates, they can point out exactly where they believe the error is. If there is indeed an error, I will go back and check it. My rates can be considered factual because no-one has come up with a genuine source of error in my rates. My rates are even backed up by other people gaining equal amounts or exceeding what I get. While it technically is not 100% factual (as nothing ever is), it has a high degree of accuracy.
I am not entirely sure why we would need to go in game and slay side by side either. If you are getting less experience, the only possible outcome is that you are using slower methods than myself (can't be due to levels as yours are higher by a small amount). So any differences can be narrowed down to simply the method being utilised.
Again, you most certainly do not. As illustrated by the value of experience, you continue to completely ignore many variables that I've pointed out for pages in favor of your own biased ideas.
If it is incorrect, how can it truly be the best possible result? You do not know how the combat system works, you do not how much influence an increase of that magnitude will result in. You are guessing with nothing as a factual basis.
Because there is no other evidence with which to work. Previous testing of the combat system have indicated these calculations to be fairly accurate; in lack of any other evidence, they present a compelling argument.
Nothing resembling details? You have seriously got to be kidding me. With each specific task he details average charm rates, the equipment he uses, the method used to kill them. Before he even goes into that however, he has details on why he uses the equipment he does, the different items he uses, explanations/calculations showing why something is efficient. There is also tables supplying his average Slayer experience rate, his Summoning rate, and approximate banking times. How can that be taken as "nothing resembling details", seriously? There are ways to contact him, so that point is null.
Feel free to explain how his numbers are wildy incomplete? They are not broken down into exact average for each combat skill, but that is not needed. The guide is based on training Slayer. Specific combat rates are not entirely needed as you will get every combat stat to 99 by doing Slayer. Also feel free to explain how his methods are inefficient. A cannon is not inefficient, as much as you would like to believe so. Using his methods, it shows that overall Slayer is more efficient than Armoured Zombies.
Again, he does NOT provide details. Not only are many of the methods he discusses completely separate from the ones we are using, his cost and charm estimates have a giant margin of error - his summoning XP rates frequently range from 30-40% low or high. Not very helpful in a mathematical comparison.
I have not given specific averages for every type of charm on each NPC, how is that relevant. The point is I will continue to average the same amount and gain the same experience for each type of charm. This translates into Summoning experience per hour.... which has been given. How is what I have shown inconsistent or not forthcoming?
Because summoning XP varies as levels are gained, which must be accounted for. You can't use, say, a level 90 summon for all of your crimsons starting at level 1.
That rhetorical question was pointless... Also just because I may or may not have been posting at the time, does not mean I was not reading the replies on the thread. The reason why we can't see where you are wrong, as you have not detailed your methods nor even given average experience and profit rates. The only time you have done so was recently give a rough average for Aberrant Spectres, which was only supplied done so because I asked about what you got.
But that has nothing to do with the topic of moderators and flame wars - those were over a single task, not complete rates. The complete rates were earlier, and therefore have nothing whatsoever with what you are discussing.
As far as I am concerned, Morningrise333 is not an uninformed idiot and he has been here for much (if not all) of the thread. So those points of not having read your posts is null. Having read that reply, I wouldn't really call that flaming. There was a series of rhetorical questions, of which the purpose is to get his point across they are bad methods. If anything he was simply astounded that after all this time, after you going on and on about being efficient, that you are being that terrible efficient with Slayer.
Then explain why the flaming began over "LULZ I DO TASKS IN 20 MINTUES AND W|O CANNON ITS 2 HOURS), even though I clearly stated my rates of 47 minutes along with numbers proving cannon inefficient? What with how he completely ignores any calculations I've performed, it's quite obvious he skimmed through much of the thread.
There was not 12 pages of numbers and calculations of how you come to use a Unicorn with Karils for Aberrant Spectres. So don't come up bs excuses.
No, it was for proving cannon inefficient, indirectly leading to unicornn.
The logic behind specific methods will not take hundreds of pages to explain (considering as far as I know the amount you can post in one page is limitless :lol: ). It comes down to whether that method is more efficient than others. From that it comes down to how you calculated it to be more efficient. There is not hundreds of pages that need to be given to explain such a simple method.
Hundreds of pages of text. And yes, there's a limit on forum pages, but it's immense - I've only hit it once.
Well since I have not seen you numbers I have not agreed with any of them. Much less for Dust Devils. I posted they were over 100k experience per hour (to melee), and you just flat out said it was impossible and never posted your specific rates.Not going to take part in this discussion, but I'd like to add that 100k xp/hour at dusties seems pretty possible. I myself get 83k xp/hour with 10% str pray and 86/86/88 stats.
Ydraisel claimed he was getting 112k melee XP with +10% strength and 95 melee stats. I somehow doubt that his 9 higher combat stats would result in a 30k XP boost.
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Hmmm...Can't both of you just post an excel sheet of your calculations and exp rates along with your methods that you used for each task (or for the rates of monsters not on a slayer task just your method for what you trained on). Then both of you can go test each others methods and compare your results with another posting of excel sheets. Then all you have to do is move that information to the end of the first post on this thread and this whole issue will be settled.
Genius!
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*sigh* Read the replies
Last time we tried that, a mod had to come with a rather large fire extinguisher to take care of the epic flame war it spawned. I'm PMing rates to those who need them, but I'm not posting them publicly - people who don't have a clue what they are talking about will mindlessly flame methods without understanding the logic behind them, something that is gained if you have to read through all the replies to obtain the rates.
PM me the rates please. :
Will do. Having a lot of fun assembling them at the moment :-# :lol:
I've realized that we never agreed on rates for dust devils, gargoyles, and two or three other tasks so I'm trying to verify my rates before finishing the table. It's taking me longer then I expected with the limited time I have, but I'm trying to hurry. Sorry about the delay :wall:
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Yeah, I'm surprised this thread hasn't seemed to have many liars. Pure's pretty ripped from his RL pic, so I'm reasonably impressed :lol:
Yeah, back in high school I was what they call lanky. Freshman year was 5' 10" & 125, 6' 0" & 130 after sophomore. Kept growing even into collage though to round out my 6' 4"\190. But lately I've noticed a bit of a spare tire, so I guess I gotta start working out more and working on the computer less. Sigh.
Note to all you "lanky" people: your metabolism will likely hit a brick wall around 28-30... Enjoy the time of stuffing your face to try and beef up while you can...
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woo-hoo
About time for me to do a reformatting of my ubuntu machine anyway. I'll be torrenting this shortly. Seed generously \
EDIT: YES! THEY HAVE A MUCH BETTER MONITOR DRIVER SYSTEM! NO MORE TINY DISPLAY IN THE CENTER OF MY LAPTOP!
I spent way to many hours with xorg.conf trying to fix that -.-
EDIT2: If anyone's still having problems downloading, http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/ is giving me a steady 180 KB\s.
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awesome you see this is what you talk about it IS ranting unlike compfreak who just has to argue with me about it :x
look piss off already i came on here to see others thoughts not argue with someone who just can't seem to shut up i really don't like argueing with others so leave me alone im not stupid and for a fact just shush already i can't explain you but for a fact you need to keep your two sense to yourself not blab at others.
Except that the rules stated that you NEED to provide a valid argument. Coming in and whining "i wish there was no RS instead of RS with pking like this!" isn't a valid rant on these forums. You should thank me for at least giving this thread a semblance of a discussion.
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That is what I am asking! All you need to tell us is your detailed methods + the final results. Then no one can flame you. I should not have to pick through the 76 pages of posts to find the few bits that I want to see.
Adding your detailed methods + the final results would mean you get intelligent arguments.... think about it.
I gave detailed methods, and what did he do? Flamed about how inefficient it was. Never mind that there was 12 pages of numbers and calculations leading up to the conclusion that he never disputed (or even read). That's ALL my posts in that range were about! To post my methods is simple; to post the logic behind them is hundreds of pages, and I don't see the point in copying and pasting massive hunks of text and calculations from what is essentially 30 pages of debate.
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I give up, I doubt many people would agree with you of your expectations. How do you think posting your results will = a flame war?
Once you have your facts, and someone has theirs, there is no arguing with the better (method except for variables)
Except that uninformed idiots who haven't bothered to read the details behind my methods respond with moronic posts filled with flaming and personal opinions and lacking any substance or numerical evidence whatsoever. *ahem*http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=765267&start=1360#p6597080*ahem*
While they do make for humorous reading, they clog up the thread and obscure real posts, so I try to avoid situations like that. It's simple enough: If you want to debate my methods, read up on them first.
pvp? now why would i do that?
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Yes, it is but they seem to be intent on leaving it as a balancer. That being said, the argument can be made (as before) that it's changing the game from skill to automated.