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Adbock Plus.
'Nuff Said.
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I for one, wouldn't have made my pure member if f2p mage was balanced.
But i think it should be.
"Should be" from a players perspective and "should be" from a business perspective are very, very different. Sadly, Jagex is a business, not a charity.
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43% of the average active players are FTP.
32293972 - 9729180 - 14497311 = 8,067,081 pounds for all server\bandwidth\hosting\etc. costs not mentioned above, with 43% directed to FTP for a total of 3,468,844 pounds plus wages for FTP maintenance and updates. So FTP loses around 1.3m pounds per year plus salary costs, and that doesn't include the number of members who click on the front page instead of in game ads.
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Will you two just cut it out? If f2p mage is underpowered, who would want it to be that way? And don't tell me "you don't pay so you don't get updates". As Elusefelier has already mentioned, updates that balance out f2p mage will attract more f2pers to use mage. And if we give mage an incomplete spellbook or a spellbook that has a lot of attractive spells but the powerful ones are all members, f2p mages WILL think about subscribing to p2p, because of the dangerous/powerful spells/nice equipment/etc. Jagex should have more advertisements like giving some information on certain spells, for example "fire blitz max damage 30, a very accurate and deadly spell used for roasting opponents" or something along the lines of that. This will entice f2pers into subscribing for p2p.
If f2p was just a boring game (like it is now), many f2pers will not think about subscribing for p2p as they are too bored about f2p. By the time a f2p player reaches lvl 60-70, for example, they probably wouldn't want to play f2p anymore due to the severe lack of f2p updates. However, they might not want to get p2p yet due to their levels not being high enough or whatever other reason. They might also think it is wasteful of money to train easy to train skills in p2p, and continue to play f2p. Therefore, they do not subscribe to p2p yet. And if they have nothing else that is remotely interesting in f2p, they will quit RS, making Jagex lose a customer with a VERY HIGH POTENTIAL of subscribing to p2p.
And for god's sake, compfreak and howbadisbad, Jagex themselves mentioned that
F2P IS NOT A DEMO!!
F2p is an independent game, and p2p is more like a huge expansion pack. Therefore, f2p deserves updates, but I am not begging Jagex to update f2p like once fortnightly or whatever. An update, however small, to f2p once every two months or so would be more than enough. And huge updates can take half a year for all I care. I just want good and sensible updates to balance out f2p mage. What is wrong with that, I ask. And please don't skim over the whole thing. I know its long, it looks like a huge wall of text, and seems boring, but READ BEFORE YOU REPLY.
FTP loses money. As an independant game it fails, and owuld be instantly shut down. FTP is supported by paying PTP membesr, and therefore exists only to reel in members, as Jagex is a business with the goal of making money. They can say whatever they want to to try and make people feel good, but at the end of the day it's the bottom line that matters.
Compfreak is certain that Jagex is a company hellbent on making profits and only profits.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=business
a person, partnership, or corporation engaged in commerce, manufacturing, or a service; profit-seeking enterprise or concern.Profits are only part of the entire story. Profits may be a motivating factor in updating F2P (In order to draw in more members), but that's not the only reason they update it. Another reason they would update F2P, aside from profits, is simply because they see that F2P has many things wrong with it (I.e. broken mechanics) and that they need to fix them because they like to see people who play their game have fun. Fun is a foreign concept to Compfreak, I guess. God forbid Jagex actually does things they like without a motivation for profit.
I don't see "like to see people having fun" on that list. If they want to do that, why wouldn't they donate the money to a charity to help needy people instead of re balancing game mechanics? :roll:
I do hope I've pissed Compfreak off a bit, though. If not, I'll try harder next time. :)
I'm slightly pissed off that your stopping the debate, just when I had you struggling in the crushing grasp of reason -.-
Ah well, I'll recover. Hopefully I'll get into another debate with a stubborner person soon =P~
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I agree, compfreak, why are you going out of your way to disprove a rant that is probably true, there is no reason to create a false rant.
And by the way just post evidence and even if it gets deleted we all know there will be proof.
Define "probably true". I'm going with "probably not true" based on the fact that out of dozens of "rants" posted about this, not a SINGLE one has been proven to be true.
I didn't get 3 day mutes until I reached the orange zone so you've probably been in trouble quite a few times already, hence the harsh punishment.
That too. Not to mention the fact that the OP simply assumed which remark got him the mute - it's quite likely there was another, more serious infraction that he didn't recognize in the report, or additional factors that made it much worse then the terse description he posted.
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There was no flaming in that quote. Everything I said was based on observable facts in comparison to the rest of the thread. In general your replies are getting worse in that they are less thought out and you constantly misunderstanding and misinterpretting what I have posted. I personally do not see why you are saying that I don't understand your posts or that I do not respond them. I have responded to every single one and understood nearly all of it (I'd say all, but i'm sure I have made some errors at some point).
As have I, I attempt to correct when there is a misunderstanding, but pointless flaming has no place in a mature debate
Also unless I am not reading this right, you have contradicted yourself once again. You state the only universal factor is time. You also agree that each player has a different value of experience (while there is some who would have the same value, the chances are minimal). So you essentially agree with everything I was just trying to convey and disagreed with your intial statement. This is because if you believe the only universal factor is time and value's differ across players, than that means it would be incorrect to add in a set value of experience to apply to everyone.No, because the total value is only an approximation of the best possible method for determining an individuals rate; without that, there could never be any rate comparison. My statements are in complete agreement, I've stated that several time.
I have been with the thread the entire time. I have read every single post you have made (as ewll as everyone elses). I also know what I have posted. I know that you never proved a cannon inefficient, and I know that I calculated that is is more efficient. Those are all facts, anyone that looks back will see that this is true. Also back when the cannon's efficiency was being debated, how come you never posted your results for your supposed 80 hours of testing? One would think that would be the most logical time to bring them up, because if they showed a cannon was inefficient then of course you would want to show you are right. If the showed a cannon was efficient than that is good also as you have said you wanted a reverse argument. However that is not the case. I am pretty sure you just made up the fact that it was a reverse argument as every single post of yours throughout the thread indicates it wasn't.
I have yet to see a SINGLE series of calculations by you indicating anything to the contrary. Until then, my calculations stand.
#-o :wall: :wall: :wall: You have got to be kidding me. When did I ever mention training melee or magic there? Have I ever inferred either? My quote was nothing more than saying using chinchompas there is the fastest combat experience. This is an undeniable fact (unless there is a way to get over 430k combat experience per hour in the game that I do not know about). Since no other method of training in the game exceeds that amount of combat experience gained, that means that this method is the fastest combat experience in the game. Why are you even arguing this? I bring up a small fact, in parenthesis, and you blow it out of proportion just so you can start another argument (which furthur adds to my point that this thread here is only so you can have an argument).
Oh, I'm sorry... I thought you said COMBAT training, not range training. Perhaps you should rephrase that to indicate you didn't plan on training combat.
That is really odd. That table I posted included rates of experience and profit for each task. As you say, those numbers are facts not opinions. So according to you, people can only "believe" or "think" Slayer is better if they have facts. Those facts have been supplied and show Slayer is better. However I shall now use your logic. I have provided facts/rates and done calculations to show they are correct. You have only just now claimed that they are false. You have not given any rates/calculations/evidence/proof that my rates are incorrect. That makes your claim an opinion. Since this opinion has no basis, your opinion in this matter is irrelevant.
Go back and re read my replies, I'm really not sure why your trying to peruse this angle.
I have supplied rates, you have not. Since you have not supplied rates, your opinion is irrelevant. Wow this logic of yours is working good now.
It would really be a good idea to read my replies before posting.
Thats odd, I ignored it by responding to it you say?
You'll find my rates and calculations of Slayer earlier in the thread. I have posted a table of my rates many times throughout the thread, you have responded to it many times. So yes, you have my rates. Don't come up with some bs reasoning that I have apparently not posted them.
Could you point out the banking times rates, or the real numbers for +10% prayer and non-cannon on tasks where it was previous proven inefficient? I haven't seen any updates since then, either I overlooked them or your simply lying.
Of course your right. It is so clear to me now. Of course it was sarcasm. I mean, there's no possible way that post could be interpretted to not be sarcasm, right?
It works both ways (mainly my way, as you are inferred it can only be interpretted as sarcasm, which is not the case).
Most obvious interpretation wins, and trying to flame based on a misinterpretation isn't going to do you any favors.
Show me the calculations and rates where you proved that true. Whoops you can't. Your opinion is irrelevant as that is made up and has nothing to back it up. Piety can have greater than a 12% effect.
Gee, that's odd. Perhaps you should re-read my post, I provided proof there.
Also, feel free to show me how my rates can lie. If you are talking about my rates as a whole (and I assume you would be), then explain to me why this thread on rsof "98-99-703-58532304" agrees with me and even has higher rates. My "testing methodology" is accurate and my methods are based on efficiency. So no, my rates are correct.
Oh, so now your incapable of lying? What changed this since the first 40 pages?
Unfortunately I was responding to this earlier and ran out of time. I was going to save what I had typed up but somehow I accidentally close the tab and lost it all :( . So I lost many of the great points I had brought up.
I do that too, the quickreply script I wrote means if I hit backspace I lose everything. Happened to me way too many times, I'm working on coding a workaround :wall: :wall:
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In the real world sense: He's a computer avatar
In the RS sense: It's what he's been doing its whole life. Did you think the term "bandit" meant he was an angel?
In the TIF sense: Yeah, you'll get nothing but a very rare philosophical\discussion post and bunch of "lolz hez pixels u cant tell the difference between them and rl nerd lolz".
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Wow, they did an awesome job with this DD. It outlined pros and cons and provided details of the development process, it should help cut down on some of the "jagex is teh idiotz" threads we see. Nice job, Jagex.
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Bingo, see the new DD. They didn't want to add benches because only one player could sit at a time (waiting lines) and it would cause all sorts of graphic glitches. Jagex +1, TIF 0. Even I hadn't thought of that, guess I have to learn to think outside the box :|
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dude...talk about a ton of brotherly hate?...i'm from vancouver...and although i personally think that the general american population could do to lose 40pounds...facts are...almost every intelligent person comes from the states.....steven hawking, bill gates, donald trump, heck even vince mcmahon (chairman of wwe).....americans may be the fatter than sea-cows...but dumb they are not......
Wrong. China, Germany, and Japan are 3 major countries that have higher average IQ then the US (Source: http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/many ... versions/1)
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My best advice is to keep such conversations among friends - by doing so, if they stab you, then you most likely can stab back. :twisted: Well, that's not my point. :wall: My point is: you're more vulnerable in public chat than in private chat or clan chat. By talking in the ladder 2 chats, you'll most likely avoid another "unfair" ban or marking for saying something that may be considered as "racist".
That was actually the wisest post I've seen on this thread. I agree completely.
Be careful when you speak in public chat\untrusted clan chats. If you aren't sure if a comment could be taken as racist, DON'T say it. Yes, I discuss various methods for RWT and how to avoid getting banned for it (not that I'd ever do it, just a discussion) in a clan chat, but ONLY with close friends. Careful what you say, you never know what could offend.
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Yea but at arma you are sitting in the same spot all the time killing the same monsters. At least with slayer you get different monsters
Very true, variety is one of my favorite things about slayer :P
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The comment you made about the mithril scimitar makes no sense at all. I've tried and failed time and again to use logic to show you that high level magic combat is broken. I think it's time to break out the "L0ls, ur wrong 1m r1ght, h4h4h4h4hh4!" How can you possibly think that mages, with their god awful binds and low damage will stay out of reach of a meleer who can hit absurd damage. You continue saying nonsensical things like "Oh you cant compare 99 magic with a maxed meleer b/c the two would never meet." That's not true. They can and do meet because everyone makes choices about what type of combat style they use, regardless of their levels. Two maxed players are direct proof that a 99 mager can meet a maxed meleer because the mager could have trained melee, as well, but he chooses to use his magic skill. It blows my mind that you cannot understand that this could happen.
You have completely ignored my posts. Your trying to argue that because a mage loses to a meleer twice his combat level, magic is underpowered. Sorry, but only the levels that affect your combat count.
I can't believe after all this discussion you still don't see that updates to F2P generates money for them. Again, it comes down to you not believing what they said in their letter on the front page. According to them, F2P updates will provide them with more P2P clients. This I will not debate further since your great mistrust of business blinds you to the fact that Jagex may actually be honest and open about how they do business. They may be telling the truth in that letter of theirs, but you choose not to believe it. I can't MAKE you believe they are honest. That is your personal belief based on experience, something I can't change by saying anything. It makes no sense for me to try to argue this further with you.
No, you can't, because being honest not only violates their financial statements (which would land them in a lot more trouble then an upbeat press release), violates business practices, and would qualify them for tax breaks as a not-for-profit business (Jagex.com clearly states they have the goal of earning money).
That they've done quite a bit is debatable. Very debatable. Considering they've barely touched the actual free-game like they said they would, I'd say that they will continue updating F2P. If F2P does get updated more, then I will be a jerk and laugh in your face. That's just me though, and I will be laughing only because it seems so plain and obvious at this point. Let's let time decide this question for us, eh?
And I will calmly point out how that update results in more members. It's quite obvious from that past 8 years or so that Jagex's goal isn't to redistribute the wealth of its PTP members to FTP members.
You really love to lump Runescape players into the "they're all idiots who can't play RS well" category. An experienced pker won't make such an elementary prayer mistake, especially when wearing items of value.
Exactly my point, which verifies my previous point of the risk of prayer running out. Thanks for noticing.
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Slayer is not bad money at all, this is one level and about 5-6 days of slaying and doing the clues from the tasks.
let alone 1.2m att xp and about 1m hp xp.
This is from one trip:
Avansies isn't bad money at all, let alone about 1.2m range XP.
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You have to be VERY careful at the slayer tower, PKers are thick there.
Why would you fight someone? Standing in the wild or skilling is your best option.
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Fist off, just because you posted a pic dose not mean you should leave a old post unclarified.
Inasmuch that you never responded to the 'old post', clarification was not necessary.
Secondly, clarify this please---200m/h?----are you saying you make 200 million gp a hour lol?No, I'm saying posting pictures of your clue drops is meaningless.
Thirdly, you can do clue after your trip so you don't have to stop during the trip. You still get loot and you can take a break for a bit and this is a BIG maybe, but you might get 3rd age or at least a good item.---rune items add up.Soo, are you going to argue clues or not?
And lastly, YOU ARE STILL GOING OFF TOPIC ANE HIDE YOUR PICS THEY TAKE TO MUCH ROOM UP OR I WILL TAKE ACTION.Oh noes! That being said, I"ll try to hide new pictures - you do have a point, but being a jerk about it isn't going to fix it any faster.
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[/hide]That's some wonderful drops. Say, did I ever show you the whip I got off abyssal demons? Since I can kill 150 of them an hour, it means I make around 200m\h and I wouldn't want to waste my time with scrolls.Also, while I was typing this (roughly 20 seconds ago), I got my 4th in under an hour:
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read above post....thats what.
and if you don't read this REVISE YOUR SENTENCES TO MAKE SENSE. and hide that huge pic(s)
Also please stay on topic.The thread is about improving drops of the dark beast, the title is a throw off to get people to read the big idea.This thread is not about how to make a clue drop twice but how to make dark beast better.
Then see the second part of my response at viewtopic.php?f=37&t=791950#p6608752; you seem to have overlooked it.
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There is not a complete lack of evidence. Why would they have the F2P game there in the first place? I guess Jagex will one day say, "Hey guys, we're complete idiots. Let's scrap F2P altogether and make Runescape only P2P based." I'm sure that will make them a bunch of profit. Jagex took the time to make F2P Runescape for a reason. From a business perspective, it's to provide a glimpse at game and entice the players to play P2P. It may seem like I'm repeating myself, but look:
You have no idea how much it would cost Jagex to give F2P the snare spell, let's say. I'm certain you don't know because the cost of each update is #1. Probably not accounted for in the company (Maybe it is, who knows?) #2. Not released to the public.
Do you recall where I said FTP was losing them money? Good, 'cause neither was I. I think you missed my entire point, as I will address shortly:
I think it is YOU making blanket statements about the monumental wealth Jagex would lose if they give F2P a few simple updates. Puh-lease.
Yeah, I don't recall saying that either. Could you explain how it relates my point, namely Jagex, as a business, not releasing an update because it doesn't generate money for them?
If a letter from the Jagex CEO which explains in logical terms why F2P should be updated is not sufficient proof for the company's intentions, then I don't know what is.
Oh, I dunno... Perhaps something called "financial records" might help you understand?
I guess they were simply putting that letter up to appease the little whiners of F2P; No one will notice after 1 year that F2P has not received any changes and everyone will remain as calm and complacent as a lamb, right Compfreak? They'll just sit there, I assume.
But really, why would Jagex intentionally put up a letter about making changes to the F2P game and then go back on their word, DO NOTHING, and then have a huge number of disappointed F2Pers on their hands who call them liars and quit the game.
They've already done quite a bit, all carefully designed to lure in members. The forum update is questionable, as I mentioned in one of my posts, but it certainly doesn't indicate they will start releasing updates willy-nilly that they know will lose them money.
Dies to the mage? Hahaha, that's very funny. A tear rolled down my cheek. :D
Lamenting the inferirority of melee isn't really something you need to post.
And lol at mages draining prayer. It's not like the meleer can wait until the last minute to turn on his prayer if some superbadass mage with mystical powers unknown to F2P comes and fights him.Or he could just leave protect item on the whole time like everyone else who PKs and realizes that the chances of him missing the prayer due to a lucky KO are far too large.
A meleer with 85 strength and attack and 99 magic will prefer to use the melee because the magic is so weak at higher levels, which this is all about. At lower levels magic may be powerful, and it should be toned down at those lower levels, but at higher levels it needs some major changes.
No, he'll use magic because he will have 25 attack and the mithril scimitar is woefully underpowered compared to fire blast.
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That's some wonderful drops. Say, did I ever show you the whip I got off abyssal demons? Since I can kill 150 of them an hour, it means I make around 200m\h and I wouldn't want to waste my time with scrolls.
Also, while I was typing this (roughly 20 seconds ago), I got my 4th in under an hour:
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But either one fails to provide a solution and therefore breaks the rules and will be locked?
No, because better training programs (like I suggested earlier) would help fix the problem.
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That's true, but he also can't post the entire message if I understand the rules correct?
Yep, so I'm just going off the fact that the 50 or so "rants" I've seen about "unfair" banning\muteing have ALL been proven to be fair. See the thread a few days ago about this to see another example.
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Hmm, ok. But this is honestly the first time I heard of someone being RACIST against Americans. I've heard angry, displeased, hating, or completely against Americans, but never racism.
So because you haven't heard it, it has never happened? Sorry if I seem patronizing, I'm just trying to figure out what your trying to say :P
Not everything someone says is to spark discussion, there's no real reason why I said that. It's just a remark I'd like to make, there's nothing more to it. I'm simply saying that I'm surprised Jagex would even take this seriously since I've never heard anything about racisms againt americans.
I can see what your trying to get at, it's a thought. Then again, we don't know that that's what he was banned for - it could easily have been another more offensive comment in the evidence that he missed.
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But both can also apply to legit newbs. It's either an invalid rant or a locked one, take your pick :P
It's not my thread. I posted to respond to your post. Locked either way though, it seems.
Invalid doesn't mean it's locked, it just means it'll either be locked due to a flame war or sink into oblivion like every other locked thread...
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Hmm, ok. But this is honestly the first time I heard of someone being RACIST against Americans. I've heard angry, displeased, hating, or completely against Americans, but never racism.
So because you haven't heard it, it has never happened? Sorry if I seem patronizing, I'm just trying to figure out what your trying to say :P
F2P Mage and range underpowered
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Typical marketing BS. If it was a game by itself, it would be closed for loss of money. Games that lose companies large amounts of money are generally not updated to lose more money.