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Your bizaree reasons are nothing more than an attempt to justify the impossible.
Please, refute my actual reasons, where are my objections to matter being eternal wrong?
The things of this earth can break down and renew because they are given energy from different places (ie the sun).
In the beginning, how can this matter get energy enough to reproduce? And how does a non-living thing reproduce?
Oh and Chambochae, here's what I see:
Either an impersonal creator who doesn't choose to create or a personal creator.
An impersonal creator would be matter, a personal creator would be what's known as 'God'.
I'm just arguing against the impersonal here.
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Why must it be god as you see him?
As far as I see it, the only other option is matter.
2nd law of thermodynamics states that given enough time, matter will break down into its smallest elements. Surely eternity is long enough ;).
There are a few other things matter can't account for such as free will (everything we do will be determined by irrational objects. Using the law of cause and effect, an effect cannot exceed cause; cause being irrational, therefore effect cannot be greater than irrational leaving the thought of atheism irrational.)
Truth - physical things cannot be classified as true or false. If the universe is ultimately material, then ideas are merely neuron patterns that cannot be classified as true or false. So if atheism is true, it can't be true.
How we got to the present - if the matter for the universe always existed then an infinite number of moment had to have passed before we existed - this is impossible.
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Creation is like this
Unintelligent inanimate object coming into being through a simple process, implosion, explosion and renewal? V Intelligent being capible of doing everything and knowing everything coming into being and making something so infinetly complex, AND manage to design it in a way that life forms.
Which seems more plausible?
Naw. The definition of a necessary being is one that has always been, it is uncaused.
A necessary being is necessary for atheists and theists alike. It's just a different being depending on what you believe. For theists, it's God. For most atheists, it would be matter.
For me, it could be absolutely anything whatsoever. We have absolutely no real clue what is outside our universe, so the thing that caused our universe to exist could be... anything.
If our universe was a ripple in a pond, that ripple could have been caused by a god like being deliberately making a splash, or it could have been caused by an acorn falling off a tree, or a drop of water raining from the sky. The ripple doesn't know, can't know, doesn't really need to know what created it. All it knows is to spread outwards, that's all it can do.* But if it were to speculate as to what created it, well it could be absolutely anything. I believe we are in that situation.
*like the ripple only knows to spread outwards, all we know is the laws of physics in our universe.
So really, in my opinion, to believe a god created the universe is like entering a bet when the odds of winning are one in infinity.
Yep, all my point was, was that there has to be an uncaused being. Without it, anything is impossible.
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Creation is like this
Unintelligent inanimate object coming into being through a simple process, implosion, explosion and renewal? V Intelligent being capible of doing everything and knowing everything coming into being and making something so infinetly complex, AND manage to design it in a way that life forms.
Which seems more plausible?
Naw. The definition of a necessary being is one that has always been, it is uncaused.
A necessary being is necessary for atheists and theists alike. It's just a different being depending on what you believe. For theists, it's God. For most atheists, it would be matter.
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Then why can't you believe that there is a negative infinity time? That the universe has just always been?
The second law of thermodynamics states that given enough time, all matter will break down into it's smallest possible particles.
Surely eternity is enough time ;). The universe still seems to be somewhat structured :).
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are we not a bit off subject here?
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god(s) are the "reasoning" many people put behind things they can not explane
Wow...i figured you would have used your time off to learn to spell. :roll:
I believe there was a god at one time. Wether it really exists? That I am undecided on.
I love how he spelt one word wrong and you jumped all over him.
You then proceed to spell 'whether' wrong.
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I believe in Jesus and I'm unsure about God.
isnt jesus the son of god though :S
Some believe Jesus was just a man ;).
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It's been quite a while.
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Yeah, I believe in God. There are a few proofs I have for theism and a few refutations of atheism typed up but I won't post them unless this topic gets argumentative.
Do you believe in God?
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So how does it renew itself?