Are protection prayers too powerful?

[GrimHams]

Weirdly i don't think theres a debate on protection prayers but whatever, i'll put this in.

 

 

 

Lets set the scene, i'm on a quest deep in the myre, theres scary level 190 monsters closing in on me and i'm a level 70 with no armour on, whats going to happen in this situation? Of course i'm going to stick on protection from melee and walk around for a while while the monsters hit 0's on me for as much prayer potions i have. Theres a flaw in this and one i think ruins questing as a challenge, this basically means a level 60 could kill a level 228 (or whatever) black dragon if they had enough prayer potions which is obviously not what is meant to happen.

 

 

 

I think protection prayers are ridiculously powerful against monsters for the effort in getting them, i can get 43 prayer in a few days training and it makes me immune to any attack from a monster as long as its using one combat style. This makes questing a "how many prayer potions have i got?" problem instead of "can i work out how to kill this monster with what weapon".

 

 

 

A solution to this would be making protection prayers similar to that against players as monsters, 75% or whatever it is would be much more realistic than the 100% that renders most quests easy as long as you don't mess up which protection prayer to stick on. There would be much more challenge involved in completing quests and weapons achieved through quests would be more of an accomplishment.

 

 

 

Of course getting rid of protection prayers would mean some quests would be close to impossible and many things such as DKing would be impossible so i think the 75% would be better for runescape and better for creating a bit of a challenge in getting the best items. It may be too late for this to be implimented because so many people have used the protection prayers to get items which is why i've put this in the debates forum over the rants.

 

 

 

I hope i got my point across well, discuss.

[Alg]

the thing with protection prayers are that prayer pots are either expensive or hard to come by, and that many powerful monsters have alternate attacks, which means food is needed (less pots). if they don't want you praying, they make it unusable, like for barrelchest or the knights.

[highlanders]

If they were to change the protection prayers, it would affect so many aspects of the game, lots of monsters suddenly would become a lot harder to kill than they were meant to be, lots of quests harder aswell. Jagex would need to requilibrate so much things. 75% would make a lot more sense than 100%, but I think it's too late to change that now.

[123Yourgone]

Prayer pots make the game boring, protect melee should have been a lvl 80 prayer.

[Jimmonkey2]

Whilst I think they are too strong there's not too much that they can do about it and quite frankly it just isn't worth it for them. For one thing Runescape quests have never really been difficult and even the most "difficult" quests are merely long as opposed to having any real difficulty. In addition to this, Protect prayers do have a somewhat fast drain rate (from what I can remember) and prayer pots are reasonable expensive, so at least if people are going to use such methods they're going to have to pay hefty sums of cash in order to do so (unless of course they use an altar). Now whilst I do agree that Jagex do need to make questing more difficult, simply removing protect prayers isn't the way to go, I think a much better idea would simply to create many more NPCs with more than one type of attack.[/b]

[iceharwk]

i will just point this out but with out protect prayers (or if there powers reduced) high monsters such as mith drags,kq,dag kings would easily own us they are the main reason we have protect prayers, to get an advantage and make ourselves equal with the monster

[Teeg]

Whilst I don't like the idea of getting rid of the protection prayers completely, I think that the prayer level to use them should be drastically increased.

 

 

 

Teeg

[Alg]

we still will run out of prayer (thus, getting killed by the high level monster, or at least forced to leave) if we hit more 0s and 1s than big numbers. our defense has limits, the monsters don't.

[underu2000]

The invulnerability given by protection prayers is needed, because of the sheer difficulty in doing many things without them. I don't mean simply killing high level monsters, but imagine getting dchains, barrows armor, dragon bones, and virtually anything that involves fighting a high level monster. It used to be that these prayers weren't incredibly necessary, but runescape combat has evolved around their use, it's too late to change how things work now.

[One Too Far]

its needed, thoug maybe the level upped to 80-mage 85-range 90-mellee (because this wil also give prayers more spread over the levels)

 

 

 

and make the drain bigger (about 1.5times)

[GrimHams]

The invulnerability given by protection prayers is needed, because of the sheer difficulty in doing many things without them. I don't mean simply killing high level monsters, but imagine getting dchains, barrows armor, dragon bones, and virtually anything that involves fighting a high level monster. It used to be that these prayers weren't incredibly necessary, but runescape combat has evolved around their use, it's too late to change how things work now.

 

 

 

Yeah, to fight them you should be a really high combat, any team of level 80's can kill the KQ with prayer pots, it just takes a while. A good idea would be making protection prayers higher level so it is only the high levels who can kill the high level monsters.

[Soulfire21]

Why not rant about a lvl 47 getting a Fire Cape just because "it's not supposed to happen"?

 

 

 

A lvl 60 killing lvl 228 dragons is (although theoretically possible) not feasible at all. Besides dealing virtually zero damage on them, most lvl 60s don't have the money to blow on the rediculous amounts of prayer pots needed, it's just not practical at all. So that argument is, in essence, useless to your point.

 

 

 

That being said, I think things are perfect the way they are. Protection prayers are meant to protect ... makes sense to me that they protect all the way (except in PvP instances, but that's understandable). I suppose they could up the requirements for the prayers, but that would upset a lot of players.

 

 

 

And 43 prayer isn't easy to obtain, unless you're being funded from your main (which, to my knowledge, is against Jagex rules).

[GrimHams]

Why not rant about a lvl 47 getting a Fire Cape just because "it's not supposed to happen"?

 

 

 

A lvl 60 killing lvl 228 dragons is (although theoretically possible) not feasible at all. Besides dealing virtually zero damage on them, most lvl 60s don't have the money to blow on the rediculous amounts of prayer pots needed, it's just not practical at all. So that argument is, in essence, useless to your point.

 

 

 

That being said, I think things are perfect the way they are. Protection prayers are meant to protect ... makes sense to me that they protect all the way (except in PvP instances, but that's understandable). I suppose they could up the requirements for the prayers, but that would upset a lot of players.

 

 

 

And 43 prayer isn't easy to obtain, unless you're being funded from your main (which, to my knowledge, is against Jagex rules).

 

 

 

Actually it is useful for my point, level 60's aren't meant to be able to kill level 200's full stop, its just not meant to happen and having a lot of prayer pots isn't meant to change that. This isn't about money either. Upping the requirements would be a great idea because it would make such a powerful prayer more difficult to get and would balance out fighting high level monsters.

[The Observer]

TzTokJad would be IMPOSSIBLE. Who can survive two 90+ hits in a row?

[meol]

TzTokJad would be IMPOSSIBLE. Who can survive two 90+ hits in a row?

 

Even so, he'd just hit you 25% of the times he would, and he'd (only! haha) hit you for a maximum (he might be able to hit 1's and 2's) for 22 instead of 90.

 

 

 

I'd agree if RS was just starting, and people hadn't got all this advantage. For example, killing the Jungle Demon in MM (level 195) was much easier than to kill Treus Dayth (level 95) during Haunted Mine, just because you couldn't protect from the flying pickaxes, the carts and the cranes.

 

I'm sure Jagex sees it just like this, they can't change prot prayers to have a higher requirement, nor can they "nerf" them now, but they want quests to become harder, and that's why they're releasing quests like Grim Tales (the giant in the final fight drains your prayer and turns it off sometimes) and Dream Mentor (you need to kill a 343 without any kind of prayer).

[Retefael]

I do not believe so. They drain prayer pretty quickly, and prayer pots are not the cheapest items in RS. They provide protection at a price, a price that I believe is worth paying.

[willyhenriksen]

It could do some good. If it was to be implemented it would help the prices rise. Newer items would skyrockets, but I don't really look at that as a disadvantage.

[Latinoking]

Sorry but this debate is strongly illogical. This will effect many things!

 

 

 

Fight Caves...so now I need 126 for fire cape?

 

Quest...Some you can't use prayer so it's somewhat a balance.

 

PKing...It's already somewhat weak in Wilderness; why make it worst.

 

Fight Pits...reduced already, no need to make it worst.

 

 

 

Prayer has been good up to now. No need to fix something that's not broke.

[123Yourgone]

Sorry but this debate is strongly illogical. This will effect many things!

 

 

 

Fight Caves...so now I need 126 for fire cape?

 

Quest...Some you can't use prayer so it's somewhat a balance.

 

PKing...It's already somewhat weak in Wilderness; why make it worst.

 

Fight Pits...reduced already, no need to make it worst.

 

 

 

Prayer has been good up to now. No need to fix something that's not broke.

Wtf do you mean its somewhat weak in wilderness..

 

Have you ever pked?, stupidest comment ever.

[GrimHams]

Sorry but this debate is strongly illogical. This will effect many things!

 

 

 

Fight Caves...so now I need 126 for fire cape?

 

Quest...Some you can't use prayer so it's somewhat a balance.

 

PKing...It's already somewhat weak in Wilderness; why make it worst.

 

Fight Pits...reduced already, no need to make it worst.

 

 

 

Prayer has been good up to now. No need to fix something that's not broke.

 

 

 

As illogical as that post? probably not.

 

 

 

Fight caves - you're meant to be high combat, if prayers were where they should be at least 100 cb to have a chance.

 

Quests - they make many too easy

 

Pking - you don't know what you're talking about, if i stick prayer on against someone my level and switch accordingly and they dont pray back the chances of me losing are very small.

 

Fight pits - hardly anyone uses it.

 

 

 

Definition of debate (verb)

 

forms: debated; debated; debating

 

to argue; to discuss; to consider; to ponder

 

 

 

^ I've said i dont expect this to be implimented but the whole idea of this debate is to see what people think if it was used. The most practical idea would be to increase protection prayers so they're about 60 64 68 at least.

[Mico]

No, they are not, no need to make them weaker, just up the levels, and put some new prayers on those levels instead. And belive me, there would be a riot even for uping the levels, think about ig they were to make it weaker. Man, so many peolpe would riot, the game would lagg out on itself. Besides, protect from magic does almost nothing if you' re in armour. I got hit a 10 trough my prayer. And it was only a fire blast. Think about members, with fire waves and aincent magics :ohnoes: . I have to wear full rune if I am to kill any other warriors or str pures.

[xvillexvalox]

I think the prayers are fine, though I'd love to see more areas with more monsters that can dual-attack you like in fight caves.

[RussianMofian]

I didn't bother to read the entire topic, just the first post.

 

 

 

Why else would Jagex make most of their high level monsters have different combat methods? Because if a level 70 came up to a steel dragon and could beat it with protection from melee during the entire fight, it wouldn't be done the way Jagex intended it.

 

 

 

Its arguable that Jagex makes combat too easy (with the addition of potions, foods, armor, etc...).

 

Its getting off topic but Jagex should really make more ways of combat (besides magic and specials...Magic could use a few touch-ups, specials are 50% luck based in my opinion)

[Mithril_Max]

*ahem* -puts on glasses, reads from a long strip of paper- ......no

[GrimHams]

*ahem* -puts on glasses, reads from a long strip of paper- ......no

 

 

 

Fancy using your mind and giving a few points to why you think that?