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Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?


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Let me ask you all this:



Seeing as two guys having sex won't create a baby, why even do it in the first place? and why even have two guys in a relationship or married if they aren't going to have any children?



For pleasure, you might say? thats just sick. It is just not natural.

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Let me ask you all this:



Seeing as two guys having sex won't create a baby, why even do it in the first place? and why even have two guys in a relationship or married if they aren't going to have any children?



For pleasure, you might say? thats just sick. It is just not natural.




Having sex just isn't about making babies, ya know. You will learn this :wink:

But who cares if two guys are going at it? If they want to be that way, let them. It's probably natural for them..
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As an avid consumer of girl-on-girl pornography, I do not find homosexuality objectionable.

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I would like to argue that in a way children are taught that behaviour with Freud's Oedipus complex/ identification theory.



Obviously there is more evidence out there and contradictory evidence for this theory as if you were to have a case study without it, it wouldn’t be very critical of you.



This theory in particular is just one I favour.



During the Oedipus complex little boys want exclusive relationships with their mother’s e.g. "I'm going to marry you" and vice verser with little girls and their fathers.



From a young boys prospective:



"Why should Mummy spend the night alone with Daddy? Why can't I go in there instead?" Western, Burton, Kowalski (2006)




It is during this phallic stage (4-6 years) that children identify with their parents (especially same sex) and establishment of conscience.



What I mean by this is little boys identify with their fathers by imitating their behaviour. Much of adult personality is built through identification, as the child internalises motives, behaviours, beliefs and ideas.



A longitudinal study of children's attitudes toward themselves provides some empirical support for Freud's theory of identification (Koestner, Zuroff & Powers, 1991) The extent to which girls were self-critical at age 12 correlated with observer ratings of their mother as restrictive and rejecting at age 5. For boys, self-criticism correlated with these same behaviours manifested by their fathers, not their mothers. This suggests that boys' and girls' attitudes toward themselves may be strongly influenced by identification with the same-sex parent, although of course, children identify with both parents.



Boys unconsciously fear that their father (their ultimate rival), will castrate them because of their desires for their mother (the castration complex).



The fear is so threatening according to Freud that they repress their oedipal wishes and identify with their father. In other words, they internalise a moral prohibition against incest as a way of preventing themselves from acting on their wishes, which would be dangerous, and they instead become like their father in the hope of someday obtaining someone like their mother. Girls, too, renounce their secret wishes towards their fathers and identify with their mothers because they fear losing her love.



It is theorised that homosexual men fail to relate to their father and instead of showing an interest to daddy shaving, want to bake cakes with mummy. Or perhaps daddy wasn't there to teach them that. A lot of gay men have over bearing mothers and were raised by single parents.
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As an avid consumer of girl-on-girl pornography, I do not find homosexuality objectionable.


I like the way you think. (Or should I say with what you think)





I see it the same as someone objecting you for liking certain types of the opposite sex, except with homosexuals, its certain types of people.

Objecting someone for being gay is the same as objecting someone for preffering a different soda.



There's nothing wrong with it, and shouldn't be anyone else's business.
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I've said it before and i'll say it again, homosexuality is a private act between two consenting adults, and only religion could find a problem with that.



Of course, you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but I do find people who talk about homosexuality as if it's some grave moral sin as mildy disgusting. What gives you the right to judge them?



@Goddess: Forgive me if i'm gravely misinterpretating Freud here, but wouldn't the conclusion therefore be that homosexuality is somehow the desired state? What I mean is, if a lot of homosexuals developed that way because they didn't go suppressed by their father, and spent a lot of time with their mother (as they desire) and hence develop her characteristics isn't that what they want? Or is it that they simply crave someone like their mother to have a relationship with in future life, and hence heterosexuality is the desired state?
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Let me ask you all this:



(1) Seeing as two guys having sex won't create a baby, why even do it in the first place? and why even have two guys in a relationship or married if they aren't going to have any children?



For pleasure, you might say? thats just sick. (2) It is just not natural.




(1) Why have sex wearing a condom? It's not going to (for the most part) create a baby. We're to the point in society where sex is mostly for pleasure and intimacy rather than impregnation.



(2) So you find it sick because it's not natural? How would you react if I said that a concept such as marriage is sick because it's not natural? You'd think I'm nuts. We should be rutting around spreading our seed with as many women as possible if we want to be a sucessful species. It's just that a concept such as marriage is socially accepted where as homosexuality, for the most part, is not. It's got nothing to do with being natural or not. That's just an excuse to deny two consenting adults consent to a private act which doesn't harm you in any way.

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Let me ask you all this:



(1) Seeing as two guys having sex won't create a baby, why even do it in the first place? and why even have two guys in a relationship or married if they aren't going to have any children?



For pleasure, you might say? thats just sick. (2) It is just not natural.




(1) Why have sex wearing a condom? It's not going to (for the most part) create a baby. We're to the point in society where sex is not mostly for pleasure and intimacy rather than impregnation.



(2) So you find it sick because it's not natural? How would you react if I said that a concept such as marriage is sick because it's not natural? You'd think I'm nuts. We should be rutting around spreading our seed with as many women as possible if we want to be a sucessful species. It's just that a concept such as marriage is socially accepted where as homosexuality, for the most part, is not. It's got nothing to do with being natural or not. That's just an excuse to deny two consenting adults consent to a private act which doesn't harm you in any way.




And to add to your point warri0r, dwarfdude, saying that homosexuality "isn't natural" is just plain ignorant, homosexuality has been observed in many animal species.



There's often a silly misinterpretation of Darwinism that anything that doesn't propogate your genes as fast as possible is bad for the species, when in reality it's far from that simple.
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Let me ask you all this:



(1) Seeing as two guys having sex won't create a baby, why even do it in the first place? and why even have two guys in a relationship or married if they aren't going to have any children?



For pleasure, you might say? thats just sick. (2) It is just not natural.




(1) Why have sex wearing a condom? It's not going to (for the most part) create a baby. We're to the point in society where sex is not mostly for pleasure and intimacy rather than impregnation.



(2) So you find it sick because it's not natural? How would you react if I said that a concept such as marriage is sick because it's not natural? You'd think I'm nuts. We should be rutting around spreading our seed with as many women as possible if we want to be a sucessful species. It's just that a concept such as marriage is socially accepted where as homosexuality, for the most part, is not. It's got nothing to do with being natural or not. That's just an excuse to deny two consenting adults consent to a private act which doesn't harm you in any way.




And to add to your point warri0r, dwarfdude, saying that homosexuality "isn't natural" is just plain ignorant, homosexuality has been observed in many animal species.



There's often a silly misinterpretation of Darwinism that anything that doesn't propogate your genes as fast as possible is bad for the species, when in reality it's far from that simple.




So I've heard, but never personally looked into it. Pretty interesting. I'll have to give it a few minutes of googling. :P

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Let me ask you all this:



Seeing as two guys having sex won't create a baby, why even do it in the first place? and why even have two guys in a relationship or married if they aren't going to have any children?



For pleasure, you might say? thats just sick. It is just not natural.


I'll answer your questions by mirroring your post.



Seeing as oral, anal, and protected sex won't create a baby, why do it in the first place? And why should anyone be freinds with anyone if they aren't going to have any children?



People play football for pleasure? That's just sick. It is not natural
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Objecting someone for being gay is the same as objecting someone for preffering a different soda.




Although i find the thought of drinking Dr. Pepper Coke disgusting... and some people even like it! yuck!

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Dwarfdude and johntm, do you seriously think being a homosexual is a choice? Are you honestly telling me that you could go out one night and be just as attracted to a guy as you are to a girl because you want to?! Being gay isn't a choice, it's entwined deeply into your minds, just like being straight. You can't help who you're attracted to, and it's horrible that people like you two give gays [cabbage] about it. And I can't count how many times I've heard the "it's not natural" and "God doesn't want it" arguments. There are documented cases of homosexual animals, and show me where in the bible that it says two men or women can't be together and truly love each other.

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I personally have nothing against homosexuals. I know enough of them and I'm good friends with many. They act like any other woman/guy, of course they are just attracted to the same sex.



In my opinion; love is love. If 2 women/men love each other, then fair enough.



Let me ask you all this:



Seeing as two guys having sex won't create a baby, why even do it in the first place? and why even have two guys in a relationship or married if they aren't going to have any children?



For pleasure, you might say? thats just sick. It is just not natural.




Having sex just isn't about making babies, ya know. You will learn this :wink:

But who cares if two guys are going at it? If they want to be that way, let them. It's probably natural for them..




Exactly, if having sex for pleasure is wrong, tell that to every couple using condoms etc whilst having sex. They do it for the same reason homosexuals do it; for pleasure.



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Its not a choice, and it's thier own life. So who are we to judge them?



Anyway, isn't it better for two same sex people to be in love and togeter with each other then two opposite sex people to hate each other but still be together?
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There are documented cases of homosexual animals, and show me where in the bible that it says two men or women can't be together and truly love each other.


There is a passage somewhere, and though I can't be bothered to dig for the exact reference now, it goes something like: "Let no man lie with another man, and no woman lie with a beast."



It doesn't specifically forbid girl-on-girl...

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There are documented cases of homosexual animals, and show me where in the bible that it says two men or women can't be together and truly love each other.


There is a passage somewhere, and though I can't be bothered to dig for the exact reference now, it goes something like: "Let no man lie with another man, and no woman lie with a beast."



It doesn't specifically forbid girl-on-girl...




But to be fair, the bible was not written by 'God' - it was written by ordinary men many years ago. So how would you know that that is 'God's' try feeling toward such a topic. It's simply men inflicting their own opinion on a book that so many follow nowadays. :|

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I would of thought if you were making a topic like this you would have made it from a neutral standpoint...



Anyway live and let live, I don't see any problem with it.

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You could get HIV/AIDS if you... you know. Two guys :-X :ohnoes:




It's true ignorance like this that creates homophobia. What do you think, being around a homosexual will give you HIV? HIV Is a virus that has just evolved and become wide spread. It's not like Each time two guys or two girls get it on HIV is created, thats abssured. Please come back when you have a base understanding of Diseases.



Oh, on topic, All Homosexuals are fine in my book.
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It's not right or wrong. I accept it and it doesn't bother me at all.




I agree.



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