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I agree. Alot of my freinds think its cool to get wasted and drink and do stupid things and so since i hang out with them im guilty by association. Now i do have a tendency to be a little arrogant and a bit of an a-hole but then again adults do that sometimes too. ITs all your perspective, if your 13 you think your the coolest thing on earth. If your 25 its the same thing. Teenagers are expected to rebel and sometimes they over do it. Its not like this is a new problem.

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By that definition it has nothing to do with age. I know that my theory could be right because I know many 13-15 year olds who are more mature mentally and have more respect than some 30+ year olds I've met. Then there are those who are 16 and act like 3 year olds, literally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Define maturity, as I understand people 13-15 are completely undeveloped mentally; only when you get to 18 (and in many cases even older) do you START to really understand the true meaning of maturity and life. Those mature kids are doing exactly the same thing as those "trendy" kids who like to drink and party; they are just copying of social norms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The "mature" kid is copying of his parents (or older people 30+) as they perceive that image represents being an adult; you get responsibility with that freedom and the choice to do things that kids (immature people, of course) can not do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where as the "immature" kid is copying of young people (18-25) as they think at that we are free, have complete control of your life and can do as you please; these people are still youthful, having fun and being trendy, what more can you want?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Both are opposite in action but similar in philosophy (being an adult, with freedom); in my opinion neither one is more mature then the other; it is a show either way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now why are kid doing this more commonly then say 50 years ago; it seems to be a result of technological understanding and forcing more and more difficult problems (not just math but things such as self image and popular culture).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As more and more we discover in science and technology the more things you have to learn and in order to understand cutting edge science you need more and more pre requisites. These pre requisites are then pushed earlier and earlier forcing the child to act like an adult when they clearly donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t have the mental capacity of one; the exact same thing can be said about fashion and pop culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are marketing 'adult' clothes in children sizes capitalising that these kids will think itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s mature and will buy as much as they can; music is the same thing, all you see is older people re enforcing the 'adult' style in their video clips and discussing content that would never have been allowed to air 10 years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think kids are losing those years that are spent 'being a kid' are cutting to 'being an adult' without the mind frame of one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry for the incoherent sounding reply, just writing as it came to mind.

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Everyone puts us into one group-Pot smoking, beer drinking, brainless, aggressive, perverts that only play video games and watch T.V. all day. And the worst part is that the people who think this are the adults that lead our lives. They just hear what happens on the news and never see what happens in our real lives. They are also the ones who do the things they think is so wrong in front of us. Dam hypocrites. If they want us to stop something they better stop themselves from doing it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These adults where teenagers once too; they should know.

 

 

 

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Teen's - experience as a child and a teen.

 

 

 

Adults - experience as a child, teen and an adult.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Adults have more authority on the situation then Teen's; they should know they were once the Pot smoking, beer drinking, brainless, aggressive, perverts that played games and watch TV all day teen's and they have the ability to reflect on that where as teens are currently living it.

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I know what you mean about the 13-14 yr olds, i nearly beat one kids teeth through the back of his head today because he said i was little because i was only 15 and in year 10. I hate that little f**k...

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lol personally i am a teenager, 14 lol so this topics about me and most ppl prob think im stupid posting in it and offending basically myself .....? but anyways

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think teenagers r just goin thru a time in ther life, most of them think they're always right and adults have no idea what they're talking about (come to find out the adults wer right) while others (ones i dont like) hang out in ally ways, trash public propety and stuff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but the most annoying thing has to be the gangster ppl (no offense), becuz they r just acting cool for they're friend who is also just acting cool maybe even for u or other gang members and prob alot of the ppl in the gang r doing that (thats what i think)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but on the other-hand some teenagers can be very nice and actually can be 'cool' and some of them respect there elders and are nice and stuff and those are the types of ppl i like. -and of course im one of these ppl :roll: -

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The term used shouldn't be teenagers. I don't think once you turn 20 you automatically change. That being said the group in question can be annoying sometimes but it really changes person to person and it's too hard to generalize.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also with the "Ganstas" it's not just teenagers who do that I know some people older (early 20s) who still like to act like that. I think it's very stupid and for other reasons I'm not friends with those people so I have not inquired why they do it. I think it has a lot to do with culture and while everyone is different, in certain areas most people act like that.

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Everyone puts us into one group-Pot smoking, beer drinking, brainless, aggressive, perverts that only play video games and watch T.V. all day. And the worst part is that the people who think this are the adults that lead our lives. They just hear what happens on the news and never see what happens in our real lives. They are also the ones who do the things they think is so wrong in front of us. Dam hypocrites. If they want us to stop something they better stop themselves from doing it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These adults where teenagers once too; they should know.

 

 

 

Key differences

 

 

 

Teen's - experience as a child and a teen.

 

 

 

Adults - experience as a child, teen and an adult.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Adults have more authority on the situation then Teen's; they should know they were once the Pot smoking, beer drinking, brainless, aggressive, perverts that played games and watch TV all day teen's and they have the ability to reflect on that where as teens are currently living it.

 

 

 

They have no clue how it is now a lot of stuff has changed since they were our age. We learned stuff in elementary school that they learned in high school. We have to learn how to work with advanced technology just to keep notes while all they had to know was to use a calculator. Times have changed since they were our age but everyone acts like its the exact same.

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and Im smarter then going out only to get drunk every weekend. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You go and play runescape :?

 

 

 

or you go read the forums :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nope, I haven't played rs in about 2 years, and I don't read the forums 24/7. Even I do fun stuff in the weekends, go to the movies, go out somewhere, go to friends, but I don't need to get drunk :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And wow.. I even have a JOB in the weekend. :shock:

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/me tempts Stephanie with alcohol and free pizza :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you dont need that silly little job. :P

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Even I think some very young kids these days (round 12) are way to harsh.. They have no respect for anyone, and they go out to clubs, drink alcohol and girls wear short skirts. I'm 16 I'm not like 'old' or an 'adult' at all yet, but at least I do show some respect to other/older people, and Im smarter then going out only to get drunk every weekend. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yea same here, younger kids are way worse than when I was that age, and I don't mean to sound like an idiot but they treat people with no respect sometimes, and I don't mean all younger kids obviously, but there are quite a few like that.

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They have no clue how it is now a lot of stuff has changed since they were our age. We learned stuff in elementary school that they learned in high school. We have to learn how to work with advanced technology just to keep notes while all they had to know was to use a calculator. Times have changed since they were our age but everyone acts like its the exact same.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So who makes the school syllabus; Adults?

 

 

 

I think they understand this concept of compactification of work; however it's the teen that doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t understand research has increased 50 fold to the amount of new work they learn compared to their parents; leaving the teen with the perception that they know more then their parents therefore they know everything. Just because you have greater technical experience does not mean you are more mature; that is a rating of real life experience. Technical experience leads to a false sense of maturity.

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Being 13, I do find a lot of people my age acting "gangsta" or "cool" when the only thing they are really doing is following what their other friends do or what they see the celebrities do in movies and stuff... I also think that some kids act differently when they are around different kinds of people, when one of my friends is around girls, he acts all "Im the best thing around" and insults people and uses bad words and says things that dont make sense, and when hes with me or other friends he acts more nice and friendly. Most of the actions of todays teenagers are based on cool people or older ganster people or just the simple fact that they want respect from other friends/girl but dont have the personality to achieve it without acting like someone else thats cooler than them, at least in my point of view...

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Being 13, I do find a lot of people my age acting "gangsta" or "cool" when the only thing they are really doing is following what their other friends do or what they see the celebrities do in movies and stuff... I also think that some kids act differently when they are around different kinds of people, when one of my friends is around girls, he acts all "Im the best thing around" and insults people and uses bad words and says things that dont make sense, and when hes with me or other friends he acts more nice and friendly. Most of the actions of todays teenagers are based on cool people or older ganster people or just the simple fact that they want respect from other friends/girl but dont have the personality to achieve it without acting like someone else thats cooler than them, at least in my point of view...

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I've notice a few really bad 8-10 year olds, throwing rocks at cars and people and you can't "teach them a lesson" because then their parents will get mad at you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And theres lot of really bad groms (not sure if non-bikers use that term, its for kids like 11-13) out there too, like saying haha you suck at me when i mess up on a quaterpipe at a skatepark or something when they just sit there on their bikes and maybe do the smallest jump there... rrr... but they aren't all bad for sure! just lots don't gewt any disipline and think they can do everything.

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They have no clue how it is now a lot of stuff has changed since they were our age. We learned stuff in elementary school that they learned in high school. We have to learn how to work with advanced technology just to keep notes while all they had to know was to use a calculator. Times have changed since they were our age but everyone acts like its the exact same.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So who makes the school syllabus; Adults?

 

 

 

I think they understand this concept of compactification of work; however it's the teen that doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t understand research has increased 50 fold to the amount of new work they learn compared to their parents; leaving the teen with the perception that they know more then their parents therefore they know everything. Just because you have greater technical experience does not mean you are more mature; that is a rating of real life experience. Technical experience leads to a false sense of maturity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. The majority of adults don't know about anything in it though

 

 

 

2. Ok I see you are another one who argues that book smarts arn't everything I'll let you start out the part about how adults surpass us the other way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW I do agree that booksmarts arn't everything.

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I tend to agree with most of these posts

 

 

 

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stephanie - Even I think some very young kids these days (round 12) are way to harsh.. They have no respect for anyone, and they go out to clubs, drink alcohol and girls wear short skirts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Herr - Heh. Most teenagers are REALLY arrogant. You won't find anyone more arrogant than a 13 or 14 year old, whether outwardly or not. I know that and I am still a teenager (though barely ).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Myself, at school I found that people were louder and they tried to act tough round the age of 13-14.

 

 

 

Im in sixth form now, (uhh 10th grade?)and 16 years of age where students round my age are more laid back trying not to act so high and mighty. I guess I was more arrogant back then too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I tend to get more respect now that I've matured from adults and especially from those younger than me. Its funny when you see those in 3rd-4th (7-8th grade?) form moving out of your way in the hallways.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess the more youthful teenagers can be pretty rough, but it does seem that teenagers are a little stereotyped on tv. Especially with some of today's boring teenage soaps.

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the problem is adults expectations are being met ie. they see some rubbish on telly or so and then they see it in reality. i think actually that in the last, say, 5 years or so, kids have got worse and worse. i remember when i was 13, heck i had a star trek marzipan cake :) that rocked. now, there are kids out there who are either druggies, alcoholics, parents or whatever, by this age. not to say this is only a recent thing, but its just more pronounced, obvious and rampant. lower teens have no respect and i dare any pyschologist to say something along the lines of teeange angst and self actualisation etc (not maslow)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1. The majority of adults don't know about anything in it though

 

 

 

2. Ok I see you are another one who argues that book smarts arn't everything I'll let you start out the part about how adults surpass us the other way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW I do agree that booksmarts arn't everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So are you trying to say adults don't know about advances in science? I think most adults comprehend technological advance by looking around (most common examples would be electronics [i.e. TVÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s] and cars), therefore any rational person would automatically assume there will be new theory behind new technology and that it would be taught in school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because they don't know what new stuff your doing doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t mean they are completely ignorant of change; to put it more simply older people donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t like new things because they have higher resistance to change then young-middle aged adults since they have been doing it by their method longer then the others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like Einstein once said; if you canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t explain a theory in simple terms within the confines of a paragraph then it is too confusing to be adopted by society as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for your second question I'm actually the complete opposite (I'm currently aiming to complete a science degree and move into research); however I do believe it is not intelligence that makes someone mature it is wisdom and all teen's are lacking it (and in most cases, the short-bus equivalent to wisdom; common sense).

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Just because they don't know what new stuff your doing doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t mean they are completely ignorant of change; to put it more simply older people donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t like new things because they have higher resistance to change then young-middle aged adults since they have been doing it by their method longer then the others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If those adults don't know what's good for them and don't "want" to change, that's their problem. Even when I'm 70 I will most likely be interested in the newest technology and learning how it works, I'm not going to change my attitude to a cocky old man who defends his lack of knowledge by "I'm old, therefore you should respect me and shut up". I'd rather prefer being an old man who can use age as an advantage of adding weight to your words, and verbally beat people who offend or question you with your extensive knowledge so that there's no way they can reply intelligently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because you're 25 and you worked for 10 years and experienced some things, that either doesn't mean you are necessarily mentally more mature than a 15 year old (who could have a lot of experience with children, working, stress, handling the death of a close relative, handling money and social relationships, etc., as opposed to the typical 15 year old who doesn't know pretty much anything except maybe some "written knowledge")

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By my earlier example I meant that you don't automatically get granted an upper level of knowledge and life experience just because you're 30, 35, 50, etc. It builds itself after you build up values in your life that don't offend anybody, you learn to respect yourself and others, and you learn to take responsibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know a few people 30+ years old, they act like little teenage girls even though they have a job and more life experience than a 10 year old. That doesn't necessarily mean that the kid age 10 couldn't be more mature, he/she just would be lacking the information about certain subjecst that people age 30+ would discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would never respect a person solely based on his/her age, well, at least if he or she is under 90 years old (some 90+ don't even remember the events of what they did yesterday and it would be stupid arguing with them). I could respect a kid as much as I respect an adult if I see he has a healthy attitude, the essence and developed personality of a person determines how mature he is, not how much formal education, work experience etc. he has. Those are affecting the outcome of the person but they're not the most important ones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like Einstein once said; if you canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t explain a theory in simple terms within the confines of a paragraph then it is too confusing to be adopted by society as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you and that quote, it's pretty true (sadly).

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1. The majority of adults don't know about anything in it though

 

 

 

2. Ok I see you are another one who argues that book smarts arn't everything I'll let you start out the part about how adults surpass us the other way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW I do agree that booksmarts arn't everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So are you trying to say adults don't know about advances in science? I think most adults comprehend technological advance by looking around (most common examples would be electronics [i.e. TVÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s] and cars), therefore any rational person would automatically assume there will be new theory behind new technology and that it would be taught in school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because they don't know what new stuff your doing doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t mean they are completely ignorant of change; to put it more simply older people donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t like new things because they have higher resistance to change then young-middle aged adults since they have been doing it by their method longer then the others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like Einstein once said; if you canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t explain a theory in simple terms within the confines of a paragraph then it is too confusing to be adopted by society as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for your second question I'm actually the complete opposite (I'm currently aiming to complete a science degree and move into research); however I do believe it is not intelligence that makes someone mature it is wisdom and all teen's are lacking it (and in most cases, the short-bus equivalent to wisdom; common sense).

 

 

 

1. I'm not saying all adults and I'm talking about the tech higher than that like Palm Pilots.

 

 

 

2.I'm not saying they are ignorant on the change they just have trouble going along with it.

 

 

 

3.The quote is true but the stuff we learn that they don't know can be explained in simple terms.

 

 

 

4.Some do lack common sense but some are wise. Also don't listion to everything you hear in the news because they only say when someones done something stupid if they tell a story of wise teens they lose ratings so get out more and see how life truly is.

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**Before anybody starts to flame me, remember that the forums are only a small part of my life, so don't go flaming me with "!!!omfg u r so liek ronng 4nd 4r0wgint on t3h borzdoirz!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I try to stay realistic and think at a higher order than my peers, despite the fact that I am 13. I have a part-time job, set goals, etc. and don't think that the world revolves around MTV, clothers, friends, and that a year is a "long time." However, this often sets me apart from my peers and makes me feel like a loser, so I occasionally, depending on the situation, loosen up and act like what somebody my age would (but not to such an extent as to be a rambling idiot, like some people, or a snobby pseudo-prep).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I've noticed that other people my age are very...stupid, and it makes me wonder where our society is going. For instance, today I was especially bored in Language Arts class, and I counted the amount of times a particular girl, whom I would file under "pseudo-prep-poseur", said the word "like," which is overused and utilized as a pause in speech. Statistics: 26 times in 50 seconds, and about once between every two words. I could have said the same thing in 15 seconds more concisely, and provided more information, but she had to say "like" and laugh needlessly about a not-funny topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or, these 12-year-olds that sit in the front of the bus: they are enormously popular with people like the aforementioned person, but are total idiots. They echo songs from cartoons, make monkey sounds, and berate others highly illogically, to the point of almost being autistic. And another girl they associate with is also a "pseudo-prep-poseur", and she does a combination scowl/sneer thing whenever she sees someone "off her social level" and says "Whatever, loser."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These people are supposed to be the future leaders of the world, and yet they are acting like monkeybrained idiots. Don't get me wrong, I'm not stuck up, but these people are just stupid to the point of intense aggravation, and it makes my blood boil that they slip by with mediocre grades and not getting busted because the crusty old teachers are just too sympathetic, or have no idea what's going on. So yeah, I kind of agree, but remember, not all of us are total idiots.[/i]

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Idiocy started getting more common the day Survival of the Fittest didn't apply anymore. Hence all the idiotic teenagers (And adults I suppose) and the stereotype that every teenager is a moron.

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I'm too lazy to read all the replys as its also getting late...but

 

 

 

I just wanted to say...

 

 

 

Alot of adults think that just because one teen is bad it means that all teens are. which is just not true. I mean there are teen out there who really do alot of good. I know this one family who has 12 kids and half of them are teenagers. their like the model teenagers. their really nice, and smart, and can do alot of stuff. They clean and cook in the house without complaint. Plus when they had farm animals they'd get up early in the morning to milk and feed and take care of them, without complaining! They don't drink, or take drugs. their a tight knit family. Also these teens are nice to everyone! And I mean everyone! Their so excepting. I do admit there are also teens out there that aren't so good and they do do bad stuff. But what I'm trying to say is i hate it when people naturally assume you take drugs or drink alchohal, just because of what they see and hear on tv or whatever. Also it seems alot of the time it is what your enviroment is. what kind of people your around., that make you tend to do one thing or another.

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