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The Overall Easiest 99 Skill To Get?


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I guess I should post like you and not provide anything relevant to the topic or provide any evidence to the point your trying to make? You could have saved yourself 2 minutes and just replied with "you're a poopyhead."




Oh so he's wrong and your right because... you say so? :-s Fantastic reasoning =D> I applaud you for accusing him of not providing proof, while you provide none yourself. Seriously, the personal attacks are ridiculous and only make you look bad. If you really think you're correct, then prove my points wrong instead of saying "oh well you're just an idiot because I think so"
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I guess I should post like you and not provide anything relevant to the topic or provide any evidence to the point your trying to make? You could have saved yourself 2 minutes and just replied with "you're a poopyhead."




Oh so he's wrong and your right because... you say so? :-s Fantastic reasoning =D> I applaud you for accusing him of not providing proof, while you provide none yourself. Seriously, the personal attacks are ridiculous and only make you look bad. If you really think you're correct, then prove my points wrong instead of saying "oh well you're just an idiot because I think so"

I provided reasoning against your bullying whining attacking posts, he responded with nothing other than the equivalent of "poopyhead." That's why I don't need to provide him with anything.



Your only argument is that your construction cape rocks and anything that you can slightly attribute to helping you get that cape is time involved getting that cape. You consistently then told everyone they were wrong when they used the same arguments for other capes. You're not debating you're berating.

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I provided reasoning against your bullying whining attacking posts, he responded with nothing other than the equivalent of "poopyhead." That's why I don't need to provide him with anything.


Fine, prove me wrong. Give me at least one example where Solidus used circular reasoning on this thread, and defend your case.



The purpose of my post was to question your reasons behind attacking Solidus. That is why I'm asking for what you mean by your prior post. It's not an insult, just an inquiry.



Your only argument is that your construction cape rocks and anything that you can slightly attribute to helping you get that cape is time involved getting that cape. You consistently then told everyone they were wrong when they used the same arguments for other capes. You're not debating you're berating.


His only argument*? Have you even read this thread? Solidus has repeatedly argued down every case that has been offered against his knowledge of the topic at hand, namely the ludicrous idea that the costs of a skill have nothing to do with how hard it is to level. He has not attacked thus far; merely defended and explained his [correct] opinion on the matter, with thusfar no opposition that has provided a concrete, good reason for why he has been wrong.



You want to see berating? Look up "Flammacor" in the members list, check his posts. That's berating. This is debating.



And on back on the topic of you defending your reasoning behind attacking another member, please show me where "[Solidus] consistently then told everyone they were wrong when they used the same arguments for other capes", 'cause I'm having trouble finding that one.



*Good straw man phrasing by the way. His statement isn't "my cape rocks", it's "expenses are included in the difficulty of a skill, and due to the fact that the Construction cape has a relatively high cost, it is risible at best to try and place it in the category of 'easy skills'".
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You know what's interesting about this guy's arguments? the first post is quotes me defending the HUNTER skillcape, and somehow it proves that I use "circular reasoning" to "defend my construction skillcape". So apparently, by defending the hunter skillcape, I am "defending my precious construction skillcape"? Wow, that totally makes sense.



Also, this is a DEBATE CLUB. So, may I ask, why are you so incompetent at producing any form of evidence?



I provided reasoning against your bullying whining attacking posts, he responded with nothing other than the equivalent of "poopyhead." That's why I don't need to provide him with anything.




First of all, get rid of the "i'm superior so I'm excused from providing evidence" crap, you're completely wrong, in fact you haven't even bothered to read the whole debate. The fact that the only thing you can come up with is "poopyhead" tells me a lot about your reading comprehension abilities :roll: .



Your only argument is that your construction cape rocks and anything that you can slightly attribute to helping you get that cape is time involved getting that cape.




When did I ever say that "my construction cape rocks"? Even if I said something remotely close to that, it was backed up by tons of evidence. Something that you have nothing of. I have been constantly arguing back and forth defending my view points.



If you had read or understood even one of my posts, you would have realized that my main argument is that time taken to get the supplies for buyable skills is included in the time taken to get the skill to 99.



There are two other complementary points that I use to support my argument. One talks about AFK-potential of skills and how this can determine the better skill, the other talks about the return on investment in skills, which is yet another determinant. It's all there, yet you claim that my only argument is that my skillcape "rocks". :roll: Riiiiight.





You consistently then told everyone they were wrong when they used the same arguments for other capes. You're not debating you're berating.




Incorrect, I proved them wrong and supported my proof with evidence. That's right, evidence, the service that you seem to be unable to provide. If you're blaming me for using the same logic applied for a different skill, then prove me wrong. I used determinants of 99 skills to support my arguments in favor of 99 construction. Since 99 hunter is also a 99 skill, then therefore the arguments are perfectly valid and may be used to do the exact same comparison.



PS: Thanks rebdragon, you've been very helpful in getting rid of this ignorant
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I think the argument for 99 hunter being the easiest is pretty valid, since it is a skill that can be done by anyone no matter what there level, and experience gain is fairly rapid. For 99 cooking and fletching you need to start off with a goodly supply of cash to do it well, for 99 hunter you don't need much money at all, and you can even make quite a pile without having to get any bowstrings or cooking ingredients.



The argument for 99 construction being easy is only relevant if you take money out of the equation. It is NOT easy to get all the money required for 99 construction, or all the long bones or to mine all that lime stone or whatever cheap material your going to be using. The 99 construction cape is pretty uber, since not that many people have it and it is a very expensive (and therefore time consuming) cape to get.



However, if you assume you have an unlimited supply of cash, construction is definitely the easiest to level. No other skill has the massive exp per hour gain. Once you get the ball rolling you can get full inventories of planks to your house in almost the same amount of time it takes for you to make all the flatpacks.
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Cooking is, in my opinion, the easiest skill in the game.



What kind of idiot would even put of construction as an option? It takes 10s upon 10s of millions... and on top of that requires a ton of attention and is a slower xp rate then most skills...
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However, if you assume you have an unlimited supply of cash, construction is definitely the easiest to level. No other skill has the massive exp per hour gain. Once you get the ball rolling you can get full inventories of planks to your house in almost the same amount of time it takes for you to make all the flatpacks.




By definition we all have an unlimited supply of cash, but the rate at which we get the cash is a huge variable. If a person has an income of 100k per hour, they will spend 850 hours just getting the cash. and then another 50 or so hours getting the levels. Once you get the ball rolling it's "relatively" easy, however if it takes 850 hours just to get the ball rolling, then that's a hell of a hard skill.



Even with 1 mill per hour, the best income a skiller can make, it still takes 85 hours to get the cash for 99 construction. That time is shorter but I can guarantee that it certainly isn't worth neglecting.



I understand that the time taken to get the levels (btw you should go with oak larder/doors and not flatpacks, it's a lot faster) is quite short, and so if the person has the skill banked, it's easy. Problem is, getting the skill banked is the hard part. As a matter of fact, apparently it was possible to get 100m in a matter of minutes at the duel arena by staking so now that the tournament update has happened, that argument doesn't work

anymore.



That being said, I do want to thanks for acknowledging the difficulty of the construction skillcape.
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I think the argument for 99 hunter being the easiest is pretty valid, since it is a skill that can be done by anyone no matter what there level, and experience gain is fairly rapid. For 99 cooking and fletching you need to start off with a goodly supply of cash to do it well, for 99 hunter you don't need much money at all, and you can even make quite a pile without having to get any bowstrings or cooking ingredients.




Cost isn't the only factor, nor is return. Whilst Hunter may not be the hardest, it is certainly not the easiest. It is not AFK-able; you must be constantly looking at the game, unlike most other skills where you can switch out whilst the game handles it for you. The XP rate really only becomes better than most skills when you get onto red chinchompas, and even then the insane XP rate most people hear about you only get when you hit the 80's. Before then, the XP rate is (at most, and you're lucky to get it) 60k/h. Realistically it's more like 45k/h, and there is plenty of competition for training spots.

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This is abit off-topic but out of all time ive been on TIF solidus is one of the only people who knows what he is talking about when it comes to difficulty of 99's. Also from what ive seen he dosnt rank himself above everyone else because he has one of the hardest to achieve capes.... Construction.... he also has Runecrafting which is incredibly hard to achieve aswell. He has achieved what i would consider two very hard to achieve 99's if not the hardest (other than mining).



Rebdragon also seems to know what he is talking about aswell in terms of 99



And Finally to drop the bomb on this thread..... A 99 isnt just the leveling process but it is also the time involved to raise the money for the skill and the time taken plus the attention needed. Also the 90mil required for 99 Construction or Prayer dosnt just land in someones bank. It is achieved through weeks to months of hardwork



So personally the easiest is cooking or fletching as it dosnt require much money to get it and dosnt take that long



The hardest in my opinion would be Mining and slayer for the time taken and how boring it is.... same gos for Runecrafting. Prayer, Herblore, Construction and Farming just for the sheer amount of money required

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Im pretty sure that 99 Slayer is by far the easiest, haha..



Just kiddin'



Im aiming for 99 Hunter when i switch over to members.
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errr.. i dunno cooking is very easy to get up

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I heard that Slayer is the hardest skill to get the cape for without it being trimmed, for the reason that its hard to not hit a 99 combat stat with getting 99 slayer

:-s is it true?
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So far the only proven method so far would be doing cannon for as many tasks as possible without getting 99 ranged as cannons give no Hitpoint exp.



So as soon as your about 5k exp away from 99 ranged you would have to either melee or mage the rest of the way to 99 Slayer and use a couple of Genie lamps or Books of knowledge for the last few thousands of exp needed



And yes there is no untrimmed slayer cape owned by a player yet... The only slayer cape in-game is on either J mods or Duradel in shilo village

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Yeah I know, Slayer is by far the hardest skill to get to 99..



it's INTENSE
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well, i think that either 99 cooking or 99 fletching are the easiest to get.



that is, on f2p servers for the cooking. sharks are easier experience than othr f2p foods that i can get my hands on. i mean, experience is harder to get on a f2p world, no?
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The fact that you mention 99 construction is an insult. There are about 300 people with 99 construction and 20k or so with 99 fletching/cooking. This already shows that construction skillcape is extremely rare. For a long period of time (and even maybe now, but i havn't checked) Construction has been the rarest skillcape due to it's immense cost and most people consider it "not worth it". Compare this to fletching/cooking for which the capes are abundant.



Furthermore, construction is very expensive and has virtually NO return. The experience gain isn't all that generous either making it a hard skill. One of the most expensive to be precise



Cooking/Fletching have ridiculously high exp rates and the total amount spent on them is very slight. This is because most of the money you spend to get 99 cooking/fletching can be returned, negating a part of the cost.



Prayer also doesn't deserve to be included. Although it has more people (about 3k last I checked), this is all due to people just considering it more "useful". 99 prayer is also one of the most expensive skills and also has NO return on the investment. How could you possibly even think that one of the most expensive skills even comes close to comparing to fletching/cooking



Don't assume a skill is easy just because it is buyable. A lot of people forget that the time spent to get the cash ALSO counts as time taken to get 99 in that skill.




are u mad? construction easily gets 100k an hours with oak planks

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are u mad? construction easily gets 100k an hours with oak planks




Are you mad? The fact that you can get over 100k/h means that you have the right materials to get it. Gaining these materials takes time and money plus it for sure isn't easy.



Lets do some calculations for you, mr 99-cooker.



1 oak plank = 60xp + ~500gp atm

99 = 13034431

= 13034431/60*500 = 108,620,258gp



You can remove few thousands of gp from that as it takes lvl 15 (2,411xp) to start using oaks.



If the tip.it's guide shows right, the demon butler cost is 48.1gp per item. Lets see...

13034431/60*48.1 = 10,449,268



In the other words, in order to get 99 construction at over 100k/h rate, you must have around 120m gp. That's if you don't care about fancy things like best altars or so.



Let's assume you craft nature runes. 1.7k natures per hour sounds somewhat a sane amount, you can do more but keeping that speed for hours is virtually impossible as everyone should know.



Nature price ~280gp

Essence price ~120gp

= 160gp profit per essence

= 272k profit per hour.



This means that in order to get the 120m, you have to rc for over 440 hours at the rate of 1.7k natures per hour. If you at this point start arguing that people can double them or mine their own essence, remember that getting 91+ rc takes hundreds of hours more and mining the essences make it even slower.



Yes, the leveling stage itself is somewhat ok for construction. However as even you should understand, getting to the proper leveling stage takes more efford than 99% of RS players are willing to put in.
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Depends what you mean by "easily"... I think it's thieving, because people get some pretty insane xp rates/hour, while making profit, if they keep the artifacts.



Cooking is what, 330k xp.hour cooking sharks, but you lose some 200k/k cooked, I don;t think it's so easy.
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Cooking is what, 330k xp.hour cooking sharks, but you lose some 200k/k cooked, I don;t think it's so easy.




If you can get 330k/h with sharks, you can get almost 190k/h with lobsters. That means you'd cook a bit under 1.6k fish per hour. With GE mid prices (255/raw 201/cooked) and that speed you'd lose 1.6k*54=86,400 per hour. Doesn't seem too sadistic. It actually would still cost under 6m to get to lvl 99 and take ~69 hours with almost no real work involved.



Cooking isn't easy? Heck, I used multiple times more than that 6m to get my last farming level. It's under 6% from what is needed to get 99 construction materials, goes under 5% when you actually take the level.
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