Owned_Nex Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 That it is longsword VS scimitar, not longsword vs scimitar + DD/AGS ("special is only good if you have nothing else") Ok. Even with special D long pales in comparison Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacmypants Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 That it is longsword VS scimitar, not longsword vs scimitar + DD/AGS ("special is only good if you have nothing else") Ok. Even with special D long pales in comparison Are you suggesting the d scimitar special is better than the d long special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 No. I am saying even when the D long is using special the D scimmy is still having a higher damage delt Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacmypants Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 No. I am saying even when the D long is using special the D scimmy is still having a higher damage delt Ok, I'm going to stop argueing now, because we are going round in circles lol Let me just say that I agree the scimitar is a better weapon overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Circles make the world go 'round. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesta Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 the ultimate way for training considering your attack is 60 or just a bit more would be Dragon scim dragon b axe spec 2 doses of sup att (only on first spec after its just 1 zip) voila ... nothing more to debate bout ok ok ... if u have at least santa u could use str pots and instead of d b axe d dager++ spec d long is just as aged weapon as r2h in f2p --- there is really no need for this topic since it shouldd be known from the moment there was a quest update: monkey madness - only excuse for d long now is - I wont bother doin the quest coz soon i can wear whip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
net180 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 After having used both extensively, i vote longsword for a number of reasons: - It is more accurate.. i just HATE zeroes - The strength bonus is better.. Gatta love those 25s - The spec is better.. I'd rather hit MUCH higher than end their protection prayers for a mere 5 seconds! - More versatile.. you can slash or stab! I can live with a slightly slower speed. Looking in an old file of calculations, i think d scimmy gets 5 hits for every 4 d long hits. If one of those d long hits is a special and the randomizer is taken out, dragon longsword should do more damage over the course of the fight. Also, because of it's less accuracy, chances are the d scimmy will hit more zeroes than the d long, furthering the longsword's lead. For training however, i vote d scimmy. ~Net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacmypants Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 After having used both extensively, i vote longsword for a number of reasons: - It is more accurate.. i just HATE zeroes - The strength bonus is better.. Gatta love those 25s - The spec is better.. I'd rather hit MUCH higher than end their protection prayers for a mere 5 seconds! - More versatile.. you can slash or stab! I can live with a slightly slower speed. Looking in an old file of calculations, i think d scimmy gets 5 hits for every 4 d long hits. If one of those d long hits is a special and the randomizer is taken out, dragon longsword should do more damage over the course of the fight. Also, because of it's less accuracy, chances are the d scimmy will hit more zeroes than the d long, furthering the longsword's lead. For training however, i vote d scimmy. ~Net I could argue against this, but it could turn out ugly. I just dont like the fact that you are suggesting that the d scimmi it's OH SO MANY zeros compared to the d long, when there really isnt much of a difference, especially if you've got a half decent attack level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 After having used both extensively, i vote longsword for a number of reasons: - It is more accurate.. i just HATE zeroes - The strength bonus is better.. Gatta love those 25s - The spec is better.. I'd rather hit MUCH higher than end their protection prayers for a mere 5 seconds! - More versatile.. you can slash or stab! I can live with a slightly slower speed. Looking in an old file of calculations, i think d scimmy gets 5 hits for every 4 d long hits. If one of those d long hits is a special and the randomizer is taken out, dragon longsword should do more damage over the course of the fight. Also, because of it's less accuracy, chances are the d scimmy will hit more zeroes than the d long, furthering the longsword's lead. For training however, i vote d scimmy. ~Net Valid points, but not by as much as you think. The increased accuracy over D scim is minimal. About the same difference between bronze and iron. Str bonus is nice, but it won't increase your max hit unless you are about to in combination of other things, Spec is good, but damage still is not as good. Stab is a bonus. But where would you use it? Also, your thinking of 4-5 ratio is correct, but your thinking is incorrect. If you take out the randomizer, and hit the max everytime, D scim would win in a absolute landslide. Dlong spec or not. If you think about it, 4 more hits with +1 damage over D scim(best case scenario), is not going to offset a EXTRA HIT. Would you rather hit 25-25-25-25, or 24-24-24-24-24? Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacmypants Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 After having used both extensively, i vote longsword for a number of reasons: - It is more accurate.. i just HATE zeroes - The strength bonus is better.. Gatta love those 25s - The spec is better.. I'd rather hit MUCH higher than end their protection prayers for a mere 5 seconds! - More versatile.. you can slash or stab! I can live with a slightly slower speed. Looking in an old file of calculations, i think d scimmy gets 5 hits for every 4 d long hits. If one of those d long hits is a special and the randomizer is taken out, dragon longsword should do more damage over the course of the fight. Also, because of it's less accuracy, chances are the d scimmy will hit more zeroes than the d long, furthering the longsword's lead. For training however, i vote d scimmy. ~Net Valid points, but not by as much as you think. The increased accuracy over D scim is minimal. About the same difference between bronze and iron. Str bonus is nice, but it won't increase your max hit unless you are about to in combination of other things, Spec is good, but damage still is not as good. Stab is a bonus. But where would you use it? Also, your thinking of 4-5 ratio is correct, but your thinking is incorrect. If you take out the randomizer, and hit the max everytime, D scim would win in a absolute landslide. Dlong spec or not. If you think about it, 4 more hits with +1 damage over D scim(best case scenario), is not going to offset a EXTRA HIT. Would you rather hit 25-25-25-24, or 24-24-24-24-3? hehe, fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairness Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 After having used both extensively, i vote longsword for a number of reasons: - It is more accurate.. i just HATE zeroes - The strength bonus is better.. Gatta love those 25s - The spec is better.. I'd rather hit MUCH higher than end their protection prayers for a mere 5 seconds! - More versatile.. you can slash or stab! I can live with a slightly slower speed. Looking in an old file of calculations, i think d scimmy gets 5 hits for every 4 d long hits. If one of those d long hits is a special and the randomizer is taken out, dragon longsword should do more damage over the course of the fight. Also, because of it's less accuracy, chances are the d scimmy will hit more zeroes than the d long, furthering the longsword's lead. For training however, i vote d scimmy. ~Net Valid points, but not by as much as you think. The increased accuracy over D scim is minimal. About the same difference between bronze and iron. Str bonus is nice, but it won't increase your max hit unless you are about to in combination of other things, Spec is good, but damage still is not as good. Stab is a bonus. But where would you use it? Also, your thinking of 4-5 ratio is correct, but your thinking is incorrect. If you take out the randomizer, and hit the max everytime, D scim would win in a absolute landslide. Dlong spec or not. If you think about it, 4 more hits with +1 damage over D scim(best case scenario), is not going to offset a EXTRA HIT. Would you rather hit 25-20-0-24, or 24-24-24-24-4? hehe, fixed Fix'd: The revenge! You're being watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 lol. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go2guy Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Scimitar. nuff said. :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorddayu Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 If you're fighting NPC's and you're working on strength, dragon scimitar would be the better choice. If you're in PvP, think about getting a longsword. In any other situation, or if you want to go into PvP with a whip, get a whip, it's faster and stronger than the longsword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
net180 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Scimitar. nuff said. :thumbup: Gatta love posts like this. About my calculation errors, you're right, of course. *facepalm* Looking at the str bonus once again it's +5, which is an increase of 1 damage, probably 2 max. So upon futher examination, i change my mind :) D long really does look cooler though ;) ~Net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 If you're fighting NPC's and you're working on strength, dragon scimitar would be the better choice. If you're in PvP, think about getting a longsword. In any other situation, or if you want to go into PvP with a whip, get a whip, it's faster and stronger than the longsword. Scimmy beats longsword by a mile in PVP. Obviously whip's better for both PVP and training. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Scimitar. nuff said. :thumbup: Gatta love posts like this. About my calculation errors, you're right, of course. *facepalm* Looking at the str bonus once again it's +5, which is an increase of 1 damage, probably 2 max. So upon futher examination, i change my mind :) D long really does look cooler though ;) ~Net It is impossible to increase your max hit by 2 with D long. You would be VERY lucky to increase by 1. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 After having used both extensively, i vote longsword for a number of reasons: - It is more accurate.. i just HATE zeroes - The strength bonus is better.. Gatta love those 25s - The spec is better.. I'd rather hit MUCH higher than end their protection prayers for a mere 5 seconds! - More versatile.. you can slash or stab! I can live with a slightly slower speed. Looking in an old file of calculations, i think d scimmy gets 5 hits for every 4 d long hits. If one of those d long hits is a special and the randomizer is taken out, dragon longsword should do more damage over the course of the fight. Also, because of it's less accuracy, chances are the d scimmy will hit more zeroes than the d long, furthering the longsword's lead. For training however, i vote d scimmy. ~Net Valid points, but not by as much as you think. The increased accuracy over D scim is minimal. About the same difference between bronze and iron. Str bonus is nice, but it won't increase your max hit unless you are about to in combination of other things, Spec is good, but damage still is not as good. Stab is a bonus. But where would you use it? Also, your thinking of 4-5 ratio is correct, but your thinking is incorrect. If you take out the randomizer, and hit the max everytime, D scim would win in a absolute landslide. Dlong spec or not. If you think about it, 4 more hits with +1 damage over D scim(best case scenario), is not going to offset a EXTRA HIT. Would you rather hit 25-20-24-24, or 24-24-24-24-4 In a debate, you must have the same conditions. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00hydro Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 That it is longsword VS scimitar, not longsword vs scimitar + DD/AGS I know I'm saying this a few weeks late, but this IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. It's pretty much what I've been trying to say since that argument occurred, but Cacmypants but it nice and blunt for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Can we let this die? Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingkapugen Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Can we let this die? it was dead untill ur [wagon] posted -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macdre237 Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Well i only read the first page. But i say scimmy because when i had my other player and i only used scimmy because the dlong is to slow imo and the speed of the scimmy makes up for the loss of stats(but i hit the same with both weapon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan735 Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Well ill have to go with longsword for its extra more powerful abilitys.Scimitars are faster than long swords but not by much.you can hit a scimitar user with the long sword almost the same.Well except for maybe doing a double hit with the scimitar.The specials are almost identical.Both are equal though.Use 1 until you can use the other.Then use both.Example:Say your fighting a blue dragon.You are almost dead but so is the dragon,Use the dragon scimitar to hit first,considering you get something other than a 0.But i say,stick with the dragon long sword.Its cooler Lan735Proud member of the fighting saintsFight as one and Die as one1 person can change the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Well ill have to go with longsword for its extra more powerful abilitys.Scimitars are faster than long swords but not by much.you can hit a scimitar user with the long sword almost the same.Well except for maybe doing a double hit with the scimitar.The specials are almost identical.Both are equal though.Use 1 until you can use the other.Then use both.Example:Say your fighting a blue dragon.You are almost dead but so is the dragon,Use the dragon scimitar to hit first,considering you get something other than a 0.But i say,stick with the dragon long sword.Its cooler A Scim is ALMOST 2x as fast. The D Long special is better, but not enough to get a better damage ratio. Anyways, I've been pretty much recanting everything I've been saying. We should let this die... Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_User Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It really depends.. on what you're doing. In training, I'd probably use the scimitar, as it's faster and all that, but the dragon scimitar's special is trash. Remember that we're talking about longswords and scimitars only, obviously if you include a third weapon (say, a dagger) the dragon scimitar & dagger is better than the longsword, but the longsword's special attack advantage cannot be overlooked in a discussion like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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