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On the 1st of October the British Government brought in a new law called the VCR Act (Violent Crime Reduction Act). Basically this new law made it impossible to buy and use a powerful BB gun that doesn't look crap, you can now only buy clear coloured BB guns which look awful.

 

They have no real reason for this law, it was mostly triggered when Reese Jones was shot with a real gun when he got in the middle of a gang fight and as the government canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t actually make real firearm laws any stricter, they decided to tighten the closest thing to real firearms which are air rifles and BB guns. IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m assuming most of this forum donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t airsoft or really care about it but donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t you think itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s unfair that the government has restricted this law even though itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s almost impossible to kill someone with a BB gun? #-o

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itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s almost impossible to kill someone with a BB gun? #-o

 

 

 

I'm fairly certain I could.

How do you think you would do that?

 

 

 

Mike, not many BB guns are used in robberies and you can easily tell if it's a BB gun or a real gun.

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itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s almost impossible to kill someone with a BB gun? #-o

 

 

 

I'm fairly certain I could.

How do you think you would do that?

 

 

 

Mike, not many BB guns are used in robberies and you can easily tell if it's a BB gun or a real gun.

Load the gun, shoot the guy in the mouth (Assuming your close enough.). Or you hold the victim down and shoot them right in the temple. Even if the thing does not break the skin, it can kill a person from being struck by such a force in that area.

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itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s almost impossible to kill someone with a BB gun? #-o

 

 

 

I'm fairly certain I could.

How do you think you would do that?

 

 

 

Mike, not many BB guns are used in robberies and you can easily tell if it's a BB gun or a real gun.

 

 

 

Remember when some kids weren't alllowed to take plastic swords on a plane because the airline thought they were potentially dangerous? ;) People freak over nothing these days so i'm guessing any small clarification that a weapon is not deadly is welcomed by most.

 

(just forgetting that most people already bought a BB gun before the law)

 

 

 

I should really be doing coursework right now -.-

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itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s almost impossible to kill someone with a BB gun? #-o

 

 

 

I'm fairly certain I could.

How do you think you would do that?

 

 

 

Mike, not many BB guns are used in robberies and you can easily tell if it's a BB gun or a real gun.

Load the gun, shoot the guy in the mouth (Assuming your close enough.). Or you hold the victim down and shoot them right in the temple. Even if the thing does not break the skin, it can kill a person from being struck by such a force in that area.
BB guns are usually used in airsofting when you aren't close enough to shoot into someone's mouth and even if you do do what you said, it's still probably not going to kill them, I've been shot in the head before and it isnt very different from when you get shot in the arm for example.
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Well done PM :D

 

Alas not a complete ban but its a good start.

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Don't make me laugh. The introduction of this law has nothing to do with the tragic murder of Reese Jones. Do you know anything about our legislative system? Firstly, a bill is drawn up by the governement. It then has to be passed by a majority of the House of Commons. It then has to go through the Lords, at which point it can be turned back to the Commons asking for amendments. Once those amendments are added/altered, it's sent back to the Lords to see if they agree with the amended version. Only when the Lords approves the bill does it become law.

 

 

 

This process takes months, not five weeks. Also, unlike an American presidential-style system, the government cannot force the bill through, except for a exception where you can force a bill through the Lords so long as a certain percentage of the Commons votes in favour of the bill. Therefore, the fact the majority of the Commons supports the bill would hint at two things;

 

 

 

1) There is reason to the bill. Even the Conservatives and Lib Dems would likely have voted in favour, or the voting would have been close, which clearly isn't the case.

 

2) The majority of MPs voted for it, so according to our system of representation, the majority of the country would likely aree with it.

 

 

 

There's so many half truths in this title post, it's untrue. the reasoning behind this law is that BB guns are designed to look exactly like real guns. Therefore, this makes work for police on patrols incredibly hard. I hardly call making work easier for the police 'unfair'.

 

 

 

Also, as you've said, clear guns can still be used. So they haven't completely banned them. What exactly have you lost out on then?

 

 

 

Finally, I actually had an air rifled fired at my house's window last year. If it's powerful enough to break through a single pane of glass, I'm sure it would have no problem killing a person, or at least severaly damaging them, if fired in the vitals.

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If you take a look at the clear guns, they are fugly and their power has been decreased. It's so much harder to buy them as well. You need to meet them face to face which is so much harder and in a lot of circumstances you need to be a registered airsofter.

 

If the police pointed at gun at someone with an airsoft gun, there is no way they would aim their gun at them unless they were mentally unstable...

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That doesn't change the fact they look like real firearms. For all the policeman challenging the gun holder knows, it is a real gun. As most of our police don't have guns, it would be sending them into unknown territory.

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That doesn't change the fact they look like real firearms. For all the policeman challenging the gun holder knows, it is a real gun. As most of our police don't have guns, it would be sending them into unknown territory.
Actually the police are being given tasers. I agree, you shouldn't even take your BB gun off your property.
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Shooting someone with a BB Gun can still be considered Battery in the British Law. Even hugging someone randomly can be lol. :shock:

 

 

 

(I'm studying law by the way).

 

 

 

So I guess they have a just reason for the new imposed Law.

 

 

 

In my view, Toy Guns in public shouldn't be allowed at all. Many people make the mistake of assuming it is a real gun (Happens a lot in England apparently).

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It's a good move by our government. BB guns which are designed to look like real guns should not be in our society. We aren't going to allow them like America, and some people still can't understand that. Ginger_Warrior is right, for anybody who's having a firearm, real or fake, pointed at them, you don't take your chances.

 

 

 

Anyway, not every law is introduced after a tragedy, it's supposed to be introduced before it happens. Reece Jones has nothing to do with BB guns. Nothing.

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They have no real reason for this law

 

 

 

Incorrect, BB guns can and have been used in robberies - when someones waving a gun in your face you don't exactly think straight

 

 

 

it was mostly triggered when Reese Jones was shot with a real gun when he got in the middle of a gang fight

 

 

 

Ginger covered this well enough, BS (although you did miss the royal assent and enforcement by the secretary of state Ginger, but nearly there)

 

 

 

the government canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t actually make real firearm laws any stricter, they decided to tighten the closest thing to real firearms which are air rifles and BB guns.

 

 

 

Incorrect again, parliament has the sovereignty to pass any law they like, ANY.

 

 

 

donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t you think itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s unfair that the government has restricted this law even though itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s almost impossible to kill someone with a BB gun? #-o

 

 

 

No, just because you cant kill someone with it doesn't it isn't dangerous and should be restricted. Also, I'm slightly worried about the fact you take such offence at the look of the thing - are you worried the "cool" factor of playing with guns is gone?

 

 

 

P.S. Its pretty damn easy to kill someone with an air rifle if you use metal shot which as you also said comes under this law.

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Shooting someone with a BB Gun can still be considered Battery in the British Law. Even hugging someone randomly can be lol. :shock:

 

 

 

 

I am pretty sure firing a BB gun at someone would be considered common assault (battery + assault) not battery. It is awhile since I studied law, but as i recall battery is just touching someone unlawfully.

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Where did I say there was a cool factor? Airsofting is fun, BB guns don't shoot metal pellets, that's air rifles, I don't really care about those really, I was concentrating on the part of the law that messed around with BB guns. As I said before it is very very hard to kill someone with a BB gun. You say BB guns are dangerous, you could argue everything is dangerous, getting shot with a BB gun will hurt but it's a lot less dangerous than some other things which are currently legal.

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I am actually most with Baron here. Unfortunetely for you, I seem to be a bit more right-wing when it comes to this issue.

 

 

 

So let me ask you a question. Why is it you're so bothered about this? BB guns haven't been banned outright, as you've admitted yourself. They're just no longer allowed to look like real firearms, and in anticipation of the new legislation, toy gun manufacturers have seemingly already issued clear BB guns. In short, you can still use a BB gun. Nothing, except the looks of the gun, has changed.

 

 

 

So what exactly is so wrong with this legislation, and how is whatever you've lost more important than the police being able to tell the difference between a real firearm and a false one?

 

 

 

Yes... tasers are starting to come into usage, but are only taken out on the streets in extreme circumstances. Your typical 'bobby on the beat' wouldn't actually have a taser, much like they don't have truncheons. Our police has always had a reputation of not taking weapons with them onto the street, since their only aim is to maintain the peace. So, the introduction of tasers into the police force simply isn't a practical solution to dealing with this issue.

 

 

 

Also, I think you're getting too obsessed with physical pain. Noone here is making any reference to the psychological or mental pain, or the intimidation to the victim, that can be incurred as a result of having a projectile shot at them.

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It's not just the look of them, as I already said, it's a lot harder to buy them, you can't buy them on the internet, you have to be a register airsofter and you need to go to the actual shop (of which there are VERY few)

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It's not just the look of them, as I already said, it's a lot harder to buy them, you can't buy them on the internet, you have to be a register airsofter and you need to go to the actual shop (of which there are VERY few)

 

 

 

I may not live in the UK, but WHAT is so DIFFICULT about registering for something? If you really enjoy using BB guns, then take the time and money to buy the liscence you need, take the time to find a shop, and go do it. I think it's the lack of real commitment to doing something you enjoy that's the issue here.

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Wow, those are some strict laws. Here you can buy an assault rifle with nothing more then a gun safety course and 100$ for a license (A friend of mine has an M16 hanging on his wall), and you can't even have real-looking BB guns? That must be kind of annoying, particularly with that face-to-face law, if airsoft shops are anywhere near as rare there as they are here.

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Wow, those are some strict laws. Here you can buy an assault rifle with nothing more then a gun safety course and 100$ for a license (A friend of mine has an M16 hanging on his wall), and you can't even have real-looking BB guns? That must be kind of annoying, particularly with that face-to-face law, if airsoft shops are anywhere near as rare there as they are here.

 

 

 

I'd rather have them have to walk into a shop and buy it than have a 15 year old buy one online with his dad's credit card, That proves age and identity, and also keeps known criminals from getting them and using them for other forms of destruction.

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