20 November 2007 - Duel Arena Tournaments and Changes

[gongusan]

I (surprisingly) agree 100% with Qeltar. 3k stops rwl just as much as much as 500k would. Gold is always sold in amounts of 1m at a time if you look at the adverts.

[Myweponsg00d]

This new system is just amazing. It gives well-rounded players the edge over the "pure" players, since you will never know what type of tournament is coming up next. Also, by randomizing the rules, it makes the tournament PvP more about skill and overall familiarity with the game...instead of just clicking on somebody and having a randomization of who wins, with the duel ending in a matter of seconds since a lot of the staking used to be done with no armor.

 

 

 

While I do not agree with how sudden and severe the change was (I mean come on, from unlimited staking down to 3k every 15mins? thats REALLY harsh) I do think that this change is for the better. However, this IS a game-changing update, and I think that Jagex laid it on us a bit too suddenly.

[highlanders]

People aren't angry that the challenge or whatevers gone, they are angry because their money maker has gone, this deserves very limited sympathy.

 

Alright, go ahead and tell me how YOU make your money. Then, when your money maker is gone, we'll see how you like it.

[qeltar]

1) Jagex didn't want people to be able to make the money they can in the duel arena.

 

 

That's my bone of contention. That it is obvious that this is a big part of why they did it, but they wouldn't tell people about it.

 

 

You can add several more items to that list, but to say Jagex did this purely to stop people making huge amounts is a disservice to them, sure it was a motivating factor maybe the MAIN motivating factor but it wasn't the only consideration.

 

 

 

Then why are they not being honest about the reason for the update?

[berbatovsky]

This new system is just amazing. It gives well-rounded players the edge over the "pure" players, since you will never know what type of tournament is coming up next. Also, by randomizing the rules, it makes the tournament PvP more about skill and overall familiarity with the game...instead of just clicking on somebody and having a randomization of who wins, with the duel ending in a matter of seconds since a lot of the staking used to be done with no armor.

 

 

 

While I do not agree with how sudden and severe the change was (I mean come on, from unlimited staking down to 3k every 15mins? thats REALLY harsh) I do think that this change is for the better. However, this IS a game-changing update, and I think that Jagex laid it on us a bit too suddenly.

 

 

 

In amongst all the arguing I think most people have forgotten that this new type of dueling(exists and) means people can STILL make large sums of geeeeeeepeeeeeeeees but just with more effort and some skill required, the more I think about it the more it seems to me that Jagex imposed the 3k limit on the 'old' dueling in an attempt to 'push' people into trying(and sticking to) the new dueling. A problem seems to be that MANY people are facing bugs in this new format and this to me is far more detrimental to Jagex than any limits the impose, because it shows their testing regiment is nowhere near good enough.

[IceBlackIce]

People aren't angry that the challenge or whatevers gone, they are angry because their money maker has gone, this deserves very limited sympathy.

 

Alright, go ahead and tell me how YOU make your money. Then, when your money maker is gone, we'll see how you like it.

 

 

 

There was a change that hurted a huge money maker, the pure ess, and the ones who complained got to live with it, and those who complained got overrun with people saying how rc is profitable...

 

 

 

Im not saying it isnt...just saying it happened already

[berbatovsky]

People aren't angry that the challenge or whatevers gone, they are angry because their money maker has gone, this deserves very limited sympathy.

 

Alright, go ahead and tell me how YOU make your money. Then, when your money maker is gone, we'll see how you like it.

 

 

 

Sigh, fine I shall oblige, I make my money from: Slayer, Farming, Runecrafting, Barrows, God Wars dungeon, Thieving(in a very limited way), Treasure Trails, Quests (again limited) and non-slayer combat.

 

If Jagex 'nerfs' these then feel free to gloat at my misery. I have very little money (geeeeeeepeeeees) but a decent bank, I'm quite a rounded player (I liek to do a little of everything) but have been leaning much more towards slayer in the last few months(incidentally I haven't played much in said last few months).

[Animaslayer]

if jagex say its to stop drop traders im sure they can recognise this

 

 

 

lvl 50 stakes 10M

 

lvl 10 stakes nothing

 

 

 

lvl 50 has auto off and no armour

 

lvl 10 is got everything as high as he can wear

 

 

 

 

 

there not that thick are they

[Danqazmlp]

 

I don't think they were happy with people making so much money from a single aspect of their game, especially so quickly (some people). And the fact that 80% of stakers probably transfer stuff as well. :roll:

 

 

 

I agree with this.

 

 

 

let me start off with , I do not post here much at all but I wanted to see the reaction to this update.

 

 

 

It looks like to be on par to most topics. People who are effected are ranting and the people who are not effected are pretty much blowing it off and telling the stakers to get over it.

 

 

 

I see this in the eyes of the stakers. They have worked VERY hard to create specific charectors for staking and now they see their value deminished. There are a handful of people who stake Rares and such and they will not be effected until the next update.

 

 

 

What does this mean? People will adapt like they did to Ancient Mages when DT came out, when the MSB special was changed, the GMaul special was changed, when skill capes came out and prices went crazy, and the list goes on.

 

 

 

When changes come you need to find out how to adabt and move on to tomorrow and STOP looking back at the past.

 

 

 

Thank you and if you are open minded please look at a great community

 

Join SoDB community for fun DK and KBD trips

 

 

 

 

 

took the words right out of my mouth.

 

 

 

Im sure also alot of the rioters are the general noobs that rant at each and every update jagex do, and are just ranting becuase there [developmentally delayed]s irl

[hellbellz]

Jagex didn't need to take staking out of this game. There are hundreds of people who made countless accounts trying to make good staking pures. I'm sure whoever agrees with this update, if your form of money making was taken away, you'd be pretty pissed off too.

 

 

 

So GE might take merchanting away, this took staking, all we have left is skilling. :roll:

[rft]

y_anima"]if jagex say its to stop drop traders im sure they can recognise this

 

 

 

lvl 50 stakes 10M

 

lvl 10 stakes nothing

 

 

 

lvl 50 has auto off and no armour

 

lvl 10 is got everything as high as he can wear

 

 

 

 

 

there not that thick are they

 

 

 

Well I didn't even think of the duel arena being a sneaky way to RW trade until this update came out.

 

 

 

However, I suspect that it may be more cleverly done than what you suggest.

 

 

 

lvl 50 stakes 1M

 

lvl 10 stakes 1M (could be any level player)

 

 

 

lvl 50 has auto off and no armour

 

lvl 10 is got everything as high as he can wear

 

 

 

level 50 has auto retal off and loses, trade complete! Now that is going to be much harder to detect.

 

 

 

Also, I am not a staker in any way whatsoever, but it is clear that the cap is way too low. I liked the look of this update apart from that. If the cap was raised to 100k per hour (as suggested previously) then it would take 2.5 hours to trade 1M through this system. The RL traders may just risk a normal trade and hope they don't get caught. At least 100k is a decent stake and people can stake rune items that way. 3K barely covers most mithril items.

 

 

 

I really hope that they rethink the stake cap to something sensible. 3K is lamentable!

[gongusan]

 

dude

 

i think you dont even understand the duel arena...

 

Many players worked for days/weeks/months to make a good dueler, because they can make money with it... And now all their work was for nothing.

 

 

 

Grow some balls and go pking?

 

You'd need to also grow dragon bones for a decent prayer level. That would take more work.

[qeltar]

As for the tournament system...

 

 

 

Why on earth do they have an option where you can't heal or use potions so you get poisoned and it carries over to the next round and you die before you start?

 

 

 

Now I'm in a tourney where my opponent is in a different room from me. LOL I "won" that (how?) and then died of poison in the waiting room because the game was too confused as to what to do with the four remaining players.

 

 

 

Ridiculous.

[kdb148]

Am I the only person who read the knowledge base article? It clearly says in there that you can run a 2 person tournament, and have entry fees of up to 1 million coins. So while the high-end stakes are no longer possible, it is still quite possible to run stakes with a significant cash prize, and win or lose mils an hour through staking.

[haggisoflife]

I don't understand why everyone is rioting about this? So they put a 3k limit on a duel, if your a serious dueller use the new tournament system.

 

 

 

It look like great fun, playing against a load of random players for a serious amount of money at the end!!

 

 

 

And as for Jagex being against stakers, surely you can see dis has someting to do with RWT, I tink there trying to make the game better, and everyone is just kicking off because they cant get easy moeny anymore!

[muggiwhplar]

I don't understand why everyone is rioting about this? So they put a 3k limit on a duel, if your a serious dueller use the new tournament system.

 

 

 

It look like great fun, playing against a load of random players for a serious amount of money at the end!!

 

 

 

And as for Jagex being against stakers, surely you can see dis has someting to do with RWT, I tink there trying to make the game better, and everyone is just kicking off because they cant get easy moeny anymore!

 

 

 

Is that a joke?

[berbatovsky]

As for the tournament system...

 

 

 

Why on earth do they have an option where you can't heal or use potions so you get poisoned and it carries over to the next round and you die before you start?

 

 

 

Now I'm in a tourney where my opponent is in a different room from me. LOL I "won" that (how?) and then died of poison in the waiting room because the game was too confused as to what to do with the four remaining players.

 

 

 

Ridiculous.

 

 

 

THIS is a problem worthy of ranting about, Jagex plans these updates for how long? And yet we get a poorly implemented system riddled with bugs. I don't see why/how they can't/don't get the entire staff(or 200 staff/players) to try these new features for a day because that would show up most of these bugs early doors.

[Dragonlordjl]

As for the tournament system...

 

 

 

Why on earth do they have an option where you can't heal or use potions so you get poisoned and it carries over to the next round and you die before you start?

 

 

 

Now I'm in a tourney where my opponent is in a different room from me. LOL I "won" that (how?) and then died of poison in the waiting room because the game was too confused as to what to do with the four remaining players.

 

 

 

Ridiculous.

 

 

 

THIS is a problem worthy of ranting about, Jagex plans these updates for how long? And yet we get a poorly implemented system riddled with bugs. I don't see why/how they can't/don't get the entire staff(or 200 staff/players) to try these new features for a day because that would show up most of these bugs early doors.

 

 

 

Indeed.

 

 

 

Knowing Jagex, it'll be six months before they fix that simple problem, making it so that poison is cured after each round. That would take all of twenty minutes to program. -.-

[Skate4u]

well...i understand what jagex means bye 3k...but they should make it higher its not really fair to stakers but oh well get some skills i guess :o

[qeltar]

 

THIS is a problem worthy of ranting about

 

 

 

So is the other one.

 

 

 

Jagex is either clueless or dishonest about this update. Either way, it's not a pretty sight.

[haggisoflife]

Think about it, why would jagex screw up a good thing like the old duel arena without a good reason. U been to FTP lumbridge lately? The bots are out of control, so jagex are just trying to stop RWT before its too late,

 

 

 

unfortunately the duel arena comes under dis umbrella!

[Harrington]

I don't like duelling, so this update doesn't interest me at all. However, I'm pleased that Jagex have taken yet another measure to reduce real-life trades :)

 

 

 

The new arena sounds excellent though... maybe i'll pop in some time lol.

[sk8_tolivv]

Wow...I was actually looking forward to this update...

 

 

 

To bad it sucks -.-

 

3K Stake limit? Even I don't stake very much but thats horrible.

 

Basically all of the really high levels and the people with the best equipment will win the dumb tournaments...gah.

 

 

 

I was hoping there would be different tournament depending on your combat level. Also I was thinking you could actually customize your own tournament with you rules you like...

[Lemeja]

Well, Jagex can't ignore this many people ranting. They'll fix it eventually.

 

 

 

 

 

On the bright side, no more X logging! -.-

[nirvana2512]

Haha what a bunch of idiots whoever came up with the idea. Not really surprised though.