December 2007s/Janurary 2008s Updates - The Effect On RWIT

[Mark_560]

Firstly, I'd just like to clear up that I've already posted this thread on the official RuneScape Forums. Unfortunately, the Recent Updates Forum seems to be becoming spammed with non-constructive feedback which doesn't help Jagex in any way. This will cause my thread to eventually get eaten by the page 51 monster.

 

 

 

The main reason I've posted it again here though, is to get some thoughts from the Tip.It community as well, because I know quite a few people don't use the RuneScape Forums.

 

 

 

Thanks for reading. Now, onto the post.

 

 

 

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Hello everyone. :)

 

 

 

I'd just like to share my thoughts and comments regarding the recent updates made to RuneScape that were made to combat Real World Item Trading.

 

 

 

I'll start with some comments about the updates that were released on the 10th December 2007.

 

 

 

 

 

The Wilderness Changes

 

 

 

My personal opinion on this, since I don't use the Wilderness for things other than to use the Abyss or a Treasure Trial, is that it was a great update! I'm much happier now I can train Runecrafting through the Abyss without having to world hop. To be honest, the PK-ers waiting to kill Runecrafters were very annoying. If at the time I were to rant about these, I'd think that it would only make them do it even more.

 

 

 

Really, the only thing the Wilderness changes have stopped me from doing is killing green dragon bots there (I didn't kill anyone else... Honest!). But whilst there aren't any to kill - like now, I'm happy...

 

 

 

Yes - I spent time getting to level 85 Magic because of the teleblock spell, but Jagex removed it because it can't be used anymore. A fair point really - it would be pointless for the spell to remain. :)

 

 

 

 

 

The Trade and Drop Changes

 

 

 

I can definitely understand why Jagex have made this change. The Gold Farmers need to be stopped in the easiest way to trade items over to each other sooner or later.

 

 

 

The main thing I'd like to see come with these changes will be a "Borrow Item" feature, as I've seen suggested by quite a few other people. This seems like an excellent idea to me, as it doesn't prevent friends from sharing items with eachother. :) This would also stop scammers from running away or logging out with borrowed items, as the items that have been lent out will be returned to a SEPARATE part of the owner's bank. There would also be a set amount of items to be lent out at any one time, much like the Grand Exchange. I'm running into suggestion territory now, so I'll leave it there.

 

 

 

As for the drop changes, I can see how this has affected a lot of people. This means no more drop parties, and with the party room being changed, it isn't a good idea to have one there either.

 

 

 

I think maybe it would be a good idea if Jagex also changed the 3K cap trading limit as well. Maybe it could be set to 100K maximum within one hour. This wold mean you'd still be able to trade that 100K within seconds, but another 100K may not be traded until a whole hour has passed. This would also theoretically mean that it would be a jump from 3K to a 25K limit during a 15 minute period. Even this seems too little for a Gold Farmer to trade over accounts quickly and easily, but legitimate people will be a lot happier. The drop limit should stay the same though, in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

The Removal of Unbalanced Trade

 

 

 

I can understand why people would be frustrated with this. It prevents them from lending out items or money to friends. However, Jagex have announced that they will be implementing an "item lending" feature to the game. This should help many people put up with the changes to trading.

 

 

 

At the same time though, this gets rid of the people trading gold. Yes - there are a few advertiser bots about still. They're mainly advertising accounts and "power-leveling" now. However, this type of real world trading has been going on for ages, and can never be stopped. Also, believe me; the advertisers are dealt with VERY quickly.

 

 

 

If it gets rid of the bots, I'm all up for it. :D

 

 

 

Maybe Quest Points isn't all the trading limit should be based on though. I'd think number of skills at level 99 should be included too.

 

 

 

 

 

The Items Dropped on Death Changes

 

 

 

Not much for me to say here, other than it is another fantastic update. :D If I were to die from a random event whilst browsing the Forums, I'd be able to retrieve my items quickly without fear of anyone else taking them.

 

 

 

 

 

The Grand Exchange

 

 

 

When this first came out, it was seen that a lot of items had dropped in price. These include all raw materials, such as yew logs, sharks, etc.

 

 

 

Raw sharks had dropped to an unbelievable price that looked like it couldn't be recovered. A lot of people were blaming the Grand Exchange for this.

 

 

 

My theory: The bots!

 

 

 

Since yesterday's update, a lot of Gold Farmers have disappeared and stopped playing RuneScape. This meant that there was no longer as big of supply of items like sharks. Today, I managed to sell my 1,000 raw sharks in the Grand Exchange for a relatively high price - no problems at all. They were sold within less than a second of putting them up. Therefore, I'm assuming there is a lot of demand for them at the moment, and that they WILL recover to their original price in the near future.

 

 

 

As far as I was concerned, the Gold Farmers were using the Grand Exchange to sell their items. Remember that we cannot see WHO we're buying from there. Whether it was from a bot or a legitimate player, there was no way to tell. It was advised on the Forums that we don't trade with Gold Farmers, as that is supporting them and encouraging them to continue their evil deeds. When the Grand Exchange was released, it looked like they took advantage of it.

 

 

 

 

 

Duel Arena Changes

 

 

 

This is yet another fun update. When I went to the Duel Tournaments last month, I didn't win anything at all, but it was still fun. :P

 

 

 

In the higher ranked tournaments, there is a chance to win up to 64M coins. Although I haven't staked properly before in world 22, I am in doubt that anyone would have staked a value of that much per game...

 

 

 

There was a 3,000 coin limit cap placed for staked duels, but personally I can't see any problem with that. The Duel Arena does actually seem to me more of a fun thing, than a serious thing to win a few coins. :)

 

 

 

I also can't see a problem with F2P players being able to try out the Duel Arena either. Members still have a LOT more extra content than F2P do.

 

 

 

 

 

The Assist System

 

 

 

This was yet another useful update. However, maybe with the bots out of the game now, the cap of XP gained over a 24 hour period should probably be increased.

 

 

 

 

 

LootShare

 

 

 

With the trading updates, I think a change to this system wouldn't go a miss. Maybe if this feature is turned on, no-one should be able to get the item, however, the item's MARKET PRICE is divided between the amount of players who were allowed to share loot in the Clan Chat.

 

 

 

On the whole though, it is a great update. It just needs a few changes now, however.

 

 

 

I very much enjoyed reading the Development Diary regarding Real World Item Trading. I believe all of these recent updates are for the best. And who knows... MAYBE when the Gold Farming companies are out of business or losing MILLIONS of real world money (which shouldn't be too long from now), RuneScape will be restored SLOWLY to what it has been like previously. ;)

 

 

 

I'm sure a lot of you reading this are aware that ALL of these updates have affected Real World Item Trading and the Gold Farmers in a way. If there's one type of person who I really hate in RuneScape, it's a cheating rule-breaker. They have been buying RuneScape gold for too long now, and I'm supporting Jagex with EVERY move they make to eliminate the problem. They KNOW what they're doing. It's not Jagex's fault for these updates - it's the Gold Farmer's if anything. If they weren't about, Jagex wouldn't have HAD to take these steps.

 

 

 

One thing that I've seen that has been said by many people is that Jagex are ruining RuneScape. I strongly disagree with those statements. If anything, they're making the game safer, and much more worth playing. It was also frustrating seeing bots everywhere - and in most cases - there were more bots than legitimate players.

 

 

 

Real World Item Trading is also not the only rule affected by these changes. From now on, I can expect to see less Item Scamming and Multiple Logging-In happening in the future. :)

 

 

 

I hope everyone is enjoying playing RuneScape with almost no bots in. I know I am!

 

 

 

Thank you for reading my thread. Any feedback and criticism is more than welcome. Please try and keep it constructive though. ;)

 

 

 

EDIT (03/01/2008): Added my thoughts on the removal of unbalanced trade.

 

EDIT (19/01/2008): Thread title changed from "The Most Recent Updates and Real World Item Trading" to "December 2007s/Janurary 2008s Updates - The Effect On RWIT", as they aren't really the "most recent" updates anymore.

 

EDIT: (19/01/2008): Spelling and grammar errors corrected, and smileys that these Forums don't support were removed.

[salim123]

i hated it at first

 

but have grown to like it more

 

 

 

it actually helps more then it hurts

[Tom_Servo]

VERY good post. I'm glad to see people are thinking instead of mindlessly bashing jagex. Good points, and good job. :thumbsup:

[Mark_560]

Heh, it's also great to hear that I'm not the only one who agrees with Jagex on this. :)

 

 

 

Jagex have published another news article: "A World About Our Updates". Hopefully this will change the opinions of the ranters slightly.

 

 

 

Found my thread on page 34 this morning. On a normal day, there's not usually that many people in the Recent Updates Forum. I guess it needs my very close eye. :XD:

[hbk_hossack]

Well, I'm persuaded to say the least! :D

 

 

 

But I really cant stand the drop limit, couldn't they change it so it was possible to have a private drop party in a players house or something with maybe a minimum people?

[jetset516]

All I know it it's about time. The little children PK'ers made RS unpleasant. Almost half of the landscape of the game was essentially off limits because of pk'ers, clans and the like. A level 114 should NEVER be able to steal from say, a level 74 by unfairly teleblocking, poisoning, then killing someone who needed to follow a treasure trail, or kill green dragons.

 

 

 

I sincerely hope everyone whining they will quit RS over this does. Those are the people who made a huge part of the game unfair and unplayable and I hope the door doesn't hit them in the rear end on the way out!

 

 

 

Way to go Jagex!

[Mark_560]

But I really cant stand the drop limit, couldn't they change it so it was possible to have a private drop party in a players house or something with maybe a minimum people?

 

 

 

I have to agree, the drop limit is indeed a bit frustrating. However, anything to stop the Gold Farmers suits me fine.

 

 

 

The problem I can see with that idea is that even with a minimum amount of people, the Gold Farmers can still buy a house and put themselves in there whilst drop trades are happening. Apart from that though, it's not a bad idea! :)

 

 

 

Thanks for your input so far.

[Angela123]

LOL, that is not the only post that agree with jagex I have ever seen...... \

 

 

 

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[Omega_Pure1]

Wow it appears there ARE people with the same opinion as mine :

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah i pretty much agree, there are indeed bad parts of the update, but they will eventually be fixed, and heck we might as well end up with better than before replacements :P

 

 

 

 

 

Edit:

 

 

 

Hang on isn't this topic over a week old, why did it get bumped up? :-k

[SwreeTak]

Wow it appears there ARE people with the same opinion as mine :

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah i pretty much agree, there are indeed bad parts of the update, but they will eventually be fixed, and heck we might as well end up with better than before replacements :P

 

 

 

Yes, I agree with you too!

 

Let's hope for that RS won't have any more problems with these RWTs anymore now.

[salim123]

Wow it appears there ARE people with the same opinion as mine :

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah i pretty much agree, there are indeed bad parts of the update, but they will eventually be fixed, and heck we might as well end up with better than before replacements :P

 

 

 

Yes, I agree with you too!

 

Let's hope for that RS won't have any more problems with these RWTs anymore now.

 

 

 

well now they have started to sell account and power train them for you

[bizzyboy]

ive read the half of ur post and i think u cant express ur opinion good because ur thong is in the azz of andrew ...

 

 

 

are u waiting for a mod of jagex coming on tip and be like . omg some one falowing us into our update , lol, lets make him a mod' ? wanna be mod ? i think ... are u realy happy to have to spend money on fletching to get this skill up ? bot was helping jagex to keep price of raw material low , u realy want to see yew log at 500 each ? , losing money doing yew long ? flax at 300 each because no bot for making bs ? , im not sure .. jagex is keeping their old skiller , and losing all pker , staker , and new player , im sure the number of account created is going down .

 

 

 

ps , Something to say about my english , okay but do it in french . merci

 

 

 

bizzyboy

[bizzyboy]

Wow it appears there ARE people with the same opinion as mine :

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah i pretty much agree, there are indeed bad parts of the update, but they will eventually be fixed, and heck we might as well end up with better than before replacements :P

 

 

 

Yes, I agree with you too!

 

Let's hope for that RS won't have any more problems with these RWTs anymore now.

 

 

 

well now they have started to sell account and power train them for you

 

 

 

for those who dont kno , some site (witch i dont kno lol ) is creating a new player , make him 65 woodcuting , then cut yew and sell them (400 each + because of ge ) then sell the account with X money .

[nicrune007]

Yeah I agree with you,

 

But the wildy is still rediculous

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

You guys really do eat up what Jagex tells you, don't you?

[Mark_560]

Wow it appears there ARE people with the same opinion as mine :

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah i pretty much agree, there are indeed bad parts of the update, but they will eventually be fixed, and heck we might as well end up with better than before replacements :P

 

 

 

Yes, I agree with you too!

 

Let's hope for that RS won't have any more problems with these RWTs anymore now.

 

 

 

well now they have started to sell account and power train them for you

 

 

 

That's very true, but I'm sure that will be detected much faster than the bots were. An account logging in from China one minute, and then a few minutes later; logging in from England would look VERY suspicious. I also doubt that many people would give their password away for this need, although some would.

 

 

 

ive read the half of ur post and i think u cant express ur opinion good because ur thong is in the azz of andrew ...

 

 

 

are u waiting for a mod of jagex coming on tip and be like . omg some one falowing us into our update , lol, lets make him a mod' ? wanna be mod ?

 

 

 

Nope, I'm not a 'Wanna-Be-Mod' at all. Sharing a TRUE opinion does not make anyone a 'Wanna-Be-Mod'.

 

 

 

I support these updates because I never liked seeing cheaters ruining the game for people. In fact, RuneScape is now virtually bot-free.

 

 

 

On another note, I'd like to thank everyone who has posted so far for your thoughts regarding this. I too thought this thread had died, but it seems there were some new replies a few days ago. If anyone wants to continue the discussion, please feel free. Your thoughts are more than welcome. :)

[Fairness]

The Wilderness Changes

 

 

 

My personal opinion on this, since I don't use the Wilderness for things other than to use the Abyss or a Treasure Trial, is that it was a great update! I'm much happier now I can train Runecrafting through the Abyss without having to world hop. To be honest, the PK-ers waiting to kill Runecrafters were very annoying. If at the time I were to rant about these, I'd think that it would only make them do it even more.

 

 

 

Really, the only thing the Wilderness changes have stopped me from doing is killing green dragon bots there (I didn't kill anyone else... Honest!). But whilst there aren't any to kill - like now, I'm happy... :P

 

 

 

Yes - I spent time getting to level 85 Magic because of the teleblock spell, but Jagex removed it because it can't be used anymore. A fair point really - it would be pointless for the spell to remain. :)

 

 

 

Great! So you and a part of the community can now peacefully do their useless crap, knowing that everyone else suffers from the changes! Stopping RC Pkers was a side effect, NOT the main point of the update! Honestly, I don't understand the fuss with the RC Pkers. That's their way to make profit (however small) in the wilderness, you may not like it, but tough.

[Mark_560]

Great! So you and a part of the community can now peacefully do their useless crap, knowing that everyone else suffers from the changes! Stopping RC Pkers was a side effect, NOT the main point of the update! Honestly, I don't understand the fuss with the RC Pkers. That's their way to make profit (however small) in the wilderness, you may not like it, but tough.

 

 

 

I am well aware that the main point of the updates was to stop the real world trading problem. However, the updates also had some other positives about them. I never complained about the people killing Abyss Runecrafters at all either. The Wilderness is a dangerous area - therefore - it is at your own risk to use the Abyss.

 

 

 

I can also fully understand that not EVERYONE is happy with the updates. I just want to share my thoughts.

 

 

 

Nevertheless, thank you for posting.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

The Wilderness Changes

 

 

 

My personal opinion on this, since I don't use the Wilderness for things other than to use the Abyss or a Treasure Trial, is that it was a great update! I'm much happier now I can train Runecrafting through the Abyss without having to world hop. To be honest, the PK-ers waiting to kill Runecrafters were very annoying. If at the time I were to rant about these, I'd think that it would only make them do it even more.

 

 

 

Really, the only thing the Wilderness changes have stopped me from doing is killing green dragon bots there (I didn't kill anyone else... Honest!). But whilst there aren't any to kill - like now, I'm happy... :P

 

 

 

Yes - I spent time getting to level 85 Magic because of the teleblock spell, but Jagex removed it because it can't be used anymore. A fair point really - it would be pointless for the spell to remain. :)

 

 

 

The Wilderness changes made were effective in their goal, but unnecessary and very harsh on PKers; furthermore, the Wilderness was not meant to be a safe place to runecraft or do your treasure trails. I understand your frustration with PKers- I am a runite miner and have been attacked countless times myself- But I knew what I was getting into when I went out there. Now the Wilderness is boring and not dangerous.

 

 

 

It was a bad update, and catered to people who couldn't/wouldn't defend themselves in the Wilderness and expected somehow not to be interrupted in their task.

 

 

 

The Trade and Drop Changes

 

 

 

I can definitely understand why Jagex have made this change. The Gold Farmers need to be stopped in the easiest way to trade items over to each other sooner or later.

 

 

 

The main thing I'd like to see come with these changes will be a "Borrow Item" feature, as I've seen suggested by quite a few other people. This seems like an excellent idea to me, as it doesn't prevent friends from sharing items with eachother. :) This would also stop scammers from running away or logging out with borrowed items, as the items that have been lent out will be returned to a SEPARATE part of the owner's bank. There would also be a set amount of items to be lent out at any one time, much like the Grand Exchange. I'm running into suggestion territory now, so I'll leave it there.

 

 

 

As for the drop changes, I can see how this has affected a lot of people. This means no more drop parties, and with the party room being changed, it isn't a good idea to have one there either.

 

 

 

I think maybe it would be a good idea if Jagex also changed the 3K cap trading limit as well. Maybe it could be set to 100K maximum within one hour. This wold mean you'd still be able to trade that 100K within seconds, but another 100K may not be traded until a whole hour has passed. This would also theoretically mean that it would be a jump from 3K to a 25K limit during a 15 minute period. Even this seems too little for a Gold Farmer to trade over accounts quickly and easily, but legitimate people will be a lot happier. The drop limit should stay the same though, in my opinion.

 

 

 

I agree that this certainly helped, although I think much more thought should be put into developing a formula to allow people to make money from trading other than simply quest points. As well, an "account-tie" option should be given a glance that will give another person's account the same trading rights as their main accounts per their experience and the trust that they have built over the years.

 

 

 

The Items Dropped on Death Changes

 

 

 

Not much for me to say here, other than it is another fantastic update. :D If I were to die from a random event whilst browsing the Forums, I'd be able to retrieve my items quickly without fear of anyone else taking them.

 

 

 

That's a big problem. What Jagex has done- like with the Wilderness update- is eliminate risk for non-PKers. It has removed a punishment for being careless or even AFK training- and that's no good. If they had simply made what other people dropped invisible and taken away the gravestone update, that would be fine, but this is plain stupid. The ability to have your items indefinitely preserved after death?

 

 

 

Duel Arena Changes

 

 

 

This is yet another fun update. When I went to the Duel Tournaments last month, I didn't win anything at all, but it was still fun. :P

 

 

 

In the higher ranked tournaments, there is a chance to win up to 64M coins. Although I haven't staked properly before in world 22, I am in doubt that anyone would have staked a value of that much per game...

 

 

 

There was a 3,000 coin limit cap placed for staked duels, but personally I can't see any problem with that. The Duel Arena does actually seem to me more of a fun thing, than a serious thing to win a few coins. :)

 

 

 

I also can't see a problem with F2P players being able to try out the Duel Arena either. Members still have a LOT more extra content than F2P do.

 

 

 

Watch some dueling videos on YouTube and you'll understand what was lost with the 3k limit.

 

 

 

On the whole though, it is a great update. It just needs a few changes now, however.

 

 

 

You don't say?

 

 

 

I very much enjoyed reading the Development Diary regarding Real World Item Trading. I believe all of these recent updates are for the best. And who knows... MAYBE when the Gold Farming companies are out of business or losing MILLIONS of real world money (which shouldn't be too long from now), RuneScape will be restored SLOWLY to what it has been like previously. ;)

 

 

 

Not going to happen, and I am of the mind that Jagex has done more to damage the game than goldfarmers have thus far.

 

 

 

I'm sure a lot of you reading this are aware that ALL of these updates have affected Real World Item Trading and the Gold Farmers in a way. If there's one type of person who I really hate in RuneScape, it's a cheating rule-breaker. They have been buying RuneScape gold for too long now, and I'm supporting Jagex with EVERY move they make to eliminate the problem. They KNOW what they're doing. It's not Jagex's fault for these updates - it's the Gold Farmer's if anything. If they weren't about, Jagex wouldn't have HAD to take these steps.

 

 

 

I hate goldfarmers myself, but Jagex did not NEED to do what they did. I would still be playing a game with bots, scammers, nasty PKers, runite goldfarmers, and people too lazy/stupid to know how to raise accounts without drop trading from their mains, but that's ok with me, because I always rose above that filth when I needed to.

 

 

 

One thing that I've seen that has been said by many people is that Jagex are ruining RuneScape. I strongly disagree with those statements. If anything, they're making the game safer, and much more worth playing. It was also frustrating seeing bots everywhere - and in most cases - there were more bots than legitimate players. :@

 

 

 

Making the game safer is precisely the wrong direction for RuneScape. People don't learn from their mistakes if they don't lose anything.

 

 

 

Real World Item Trading is also not the only rule affected by these changes. From now on, I can expect to see less Item Scamming and Multiple Logging-In happening in the future. :)

 

 

 

I confess that this is true.

 

 

 

I hope everyone is enjoying playing RuneScape with almost no bots in. I know I am!

 

 

 

I'd rather have a bot-infested RuneScape than the travesty we will have starting in January.

[polos]

Im looking forward to the lending item update, hope you can charge for lending items :twisted:

[Mark_560]

Yes, I too am looking forward to seeing an 'item lending' feature being added to the game.

 

 

 

A few of the updates will be put into place with the trading changes, so I'm sure there won't be as many problems as there was meant to be at first.

 

 

 

Artificial_Doom_Flavor, I like what you have posted. It has made me think how else the Wilderness changes had affected people. However, I still disagree with your final point. I'd much rather have a bot-free RuneScape and suffer from the consequences, than seeing cheats everywhere. It is unfair on the honest people who play fairly.

 

 

 

Thank you for your constructive post. :)

[aznmidget448]

I think the reason prices for sharks went down in the GE was because many people stopped pking, making less of a need for sharks, causing more supply than demand, however, I could be completely wrong on my theory.

 

 

 

Overall, very well written. It's a shame that not many people understand Jagex's intentions the way you do. It takes maturity in order to understand when someone is trying to help you rather than hinder your progress. Overall, great updates and after the rants end and people move on, it will be more obvious that the update only helps to make a better in game community.

[Mark_560]

That's a very good point. Cooked sharks have dropped quite a bit since the changes to the Wilderness were made. I'd think that they will start to rise again as Jagex improve the Wilderness with new minigames within it. Raw sharks have been remaining at a good price recently as well. I'm assuming that this is because a lot of people want level 99 Cooking.

 

 

 

I went for a brief visit to the Bounty Hunter minigame the other day, and in fact, it's actually more fun than the old type of Player Killing, in my opinion. The place is still big, despite it being made smaller. :)

 

 

 

Yes - there are a few advertiser bots about still. They're mainly advertising accounts and "power-leveling" now. However, this type of real world trading has been going on for ages, and can never be stopped. Also, believe me; the advertisers are dealt with VERY quickly.

 

 

 

It's a new year - a year where we will NEVER see any bots chopping trees, fishing sharks etc. AGAIN, from now. The future for RuneScape is going to be great. I'm certainly looking forward to it. :D

 

 

 

I've added my thoughts on unbalanced trade to my first post, and also below.

 

 

 

I can understand why people would be frustrated with this. It prevents them from lending out items or money to friends. However, Jagex have announced that they will be implementing an "item lending" feature to the game. This should help many people put up with the changes to trading.

 

 

 

At the same time though, this gets rid of the people trading gold. Yes - there are a few advertiser bots about still. They're mainly advertising accounts and "power-leveling" now. However, this type of real world trading has been going on for ages, and can never be stopped. Also, believe me; the advertisers are dealt with VERY quickly.

 

 

 

If it gets rid of the bots, I'm all up for it. :D

 

 

 

Maybe Quest Points isn't all the trading limit should be based on though. I'd think number of skills at level 99 should be included too.

[minotaurman]

This is my first post on these forums, but I've been playing RuneScape for almost two years now.

 

 

 

Jagex's mods in terms of wilderness, trading limits, and drop options, in my opinion, were great. In F2P words, all you ever saw were bots and gold miners making skills such as woodcutting and minng a misery since thier numbers were always overflowing an area, constantly hoadring the resources (maybe you f2pers are familiar with this as well) and made leveling extremely difficult. Even worse, they often flooded servers with basically inert profiles, making it hard to participate on crowded words to trade or interact with others (such as clan wars or a group trek into a dangerous area.)

 

 

 

I was never a PKer or serious discount maker (my average discount on items for friends and 'low income' people was about 6k) so these mods have little effect on me.

 

 

 

I actually enjoy them because they make some activities in the wilderness (such as mining and monster training) much easier (no more 'cold blooded pkers' to worry about) However, you still have to be very careful about the 'abherrant ghosts' which are more than eager to kill any player they can. :x

 

 

 

Of course, the trading limits have made it near impossible for real world traders to conduct thier illicit business. Real world trading meant almost anyone could become a billionaire overnight, making the game unfair for innocent f2p and p2p users. Honest players were at a constant disadvantage.

 

 

 

Don't worry, maybe in the future Jagex will revise these features and return them to a small degree of their former selves after the real world traders have started going out of business. Unforunately, right now there are still people sponsoring real world trade and advertizing illicit sites, so these changes unlikely to happen anytime soon

 

 

 

Of course, staking duels and staked clan wars can possibly make up for these changes.

[Mark_560]

You've make a fair few good points there which I'm in agreement with. Thanks for posting. :D