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Charging for item lending moral?


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It seemed pretty obvious that they wouldn't allow "renting" items to other players by charging cash. They'll surely add this rule somewhere soon.



However it's enforced, it's just the same as the other rules. If a player says "lending party hat for 15 minutes for 3k!" you report them, and then they'll get busted. Which rule it falls under I have no idea, they'll probably put it under item scamming. Now don't ask me why this "renting" thing is item scamming, but some Runescape rule names include other stuff too. Jagex staff impersonation also includes saying that your main is a pmod or that your friend is one (no matter if it's true or not).

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I would never charge a friend. However, if someone really desperatly wanted something to borrow then I wouldnt have any qualms about renting it out.

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I would never charge a friend of mine. I would however charge someone I didn't know.

I'm nice enough to lend my friends things but a complete stranger will have to pay me :twisted:
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Just studied the rules. I cannot see anything in the rules that remotely suggests that charging for item lending is breaking a rule. Perhaps someone could ask a Jagex Mod which rule is being broken? - oh we can't due to the rubbish Customer Service :wall:



IMO it is quite acceptable. If the person borrowing the item is too lazy to get one for themselves then they should pay for the privilege of temporarily "owning" the item.



On a similar vein is it moral to charge for using someone's skill via the assist system? Again all the same arguments arise, but my opinion above still stands.



Just so you know - yes I do charge for "assisting" (although I rarely do it) and if I did have anything worth lending I would charge.

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A player must pay for an item to own it in the first place. It only makes sense that someone should pay you some money for using an item you spent your money on.

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I think it's wrong :shame:
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Game items must only be exchanged for other items/services within the game. Exchanging game items for items or other benefits in other online games, real-life money or other real-life benefits is not allowed.


I believe loaning someone an item is a service?



Not to mention the fact that pretty much every Jagex mod gives a different answer on the same question, I highly doubt that it is actually against the rules, not that I'd really care.



And as for morality? It's just rent. If it's immoral to rent someone a sword, then it's immoral to rent a car, hotel room or house. It's that simple.
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Good topic by the way. :thumbup:



I'm questioning what I want to do with my items I don't use often. I own a Yellow, Red Mask, Santa, D Axe just to name a few. AND, I am rarely using them. I personally would like to set up a business to rent out the items daily. The extra income will definitely help future Slayer tasks for equipment and supplies. Right now, I'm extremely focused on Slayer, but often find myself running out of Runes/Arrows/Cannonballs. I hate breaking my "Keep Going" attitude to have to sidetrack and make the supplies again. And believe it or not, I'm not rich. The items I have I got lucky with before the big price increases. For example, I got my Yellow Phat at 16m. Its now like 170mish. Good investment? Nope. Because I will never sell it. It was, in fact, a 16m loss. And has absolutely no return value. But now, I see a way to make a modest return by using it as a rental item. I keep it for events and sometimes just to hang out with on Free Servers. And its also a sign that I achieved a goal I fought hard to get. Back then, I think I was a lowly level 60. So before anyone says "Sell it," that is the reason why. But for the most part, it sits in my bank and does nothing for me.



That is my thoughts on it. And I'm hoping (after someone clears up the rules around it) I can make a modest supply income off the above mentioned items.

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I think they should have made the Item lending feature available to your Friends. Meaning that you can only lend items to people on your friend list. This would certainly cut down on the beggars.



Its rather realistic, since why would you lend an item to a complete stranger? Surely you would only want to do that if you got some kind of currency or item in return.



I see why some people think this is unfair, lending an item to a friend should be free, I dont see you charging friends for borrowing your cycle to go to the hospital.



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The reason it's against the rules is not because it's immoral, but because it is impossible to control. Say you are lending an item for 3k. You have two options here. One, you can collect your 3k before you lend out the item. In this case, you could just pocket the money and walk away, as the old "trust trade" scam went. In the second case, you lend the item for a select period of time, and then collect. This time, the other player can just walk away with the lent item and you are out of luck until the time period is over. If you choose to lend until one player logs out, then you are back to the first situation of you walking away, or, in this case, logging out, and you pocket the profit without any penalty.



It's against the rules because of the possibility of scammers promising to lend an item just so they can get rich and it would be a nightmare for customer support to sort through the valid complaints of scamming.
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It's not a question of morality, as there is absolutely nothing wrong with charging or not charging.



It might be kind of rude to charge a friend, but if you charge someone that is willing to pay, there is no qualm.

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well lets put it this way. last night i have some1 offer 3m to barrow my bgs for 24 hours...and if i wasnt barrowing it myself i would have
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Lol people ask me all the time to lend them my AGS, Bandos armour, etc. I charge 30k an hour for AGS, and 15k an hour for bandos top and bottom, using junk trading where neccesary. Totally fine, and it's pretty cheap. I skill mostly now, so we're both happy. :D

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It's renting. During the time that you don't have it, you can't use it. Of course it is.
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There is nothing wrong with charging people to borrow your items. I repeat.. nothing wrong with it. There is a problem with people being dishonest and not fulfulling their end of the bargain. In its present state, that can happen and I would advise not "renting" a peice of equipment unless you trust the person or until Jagex can add this in, in some way. The reason it is ok to do this is because nobody is making you pay for renting that item. You have two choices. 1. Trust this person and do the trades. 2. You don't do it and no harm is done... To think that it is immoral is goofy. If people we taking advantage of somebody to make money WHEN THAT PERSON HAS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVES, then it is wrong.
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The reason it's against the rules is not because it's immoral, but because it is impossible to control. Say you are lending an item for 3k. You have two options here. One, you can collect your 3k before you lend out the item. In this case, you could just pocket the money and walk away, as the old "trust trade" scam went. In the second case, you lend the item for a select period of time, and then collect. This time, the other player can just walk away with the lent item and you are out of luck until the time period is over. If you choose to lend until one player logs out, then you are back to the first situation of you walking away, or, in this case, logging out, and you pocket the profit without any penalty.



It's against the rules because of the possibility of scammers promising to lend an item just so they can get rich and it would be a nightmare for customer support to sort through the valid complaints of scamming.




If I am correct there is no rule against "renting" out your items. If you are refering to the Item scamming rule then you are also wrong. It would only be item scamming if the person took the money and didn't finish the deal. You are not breaking the rules if you complete your end of the deal.

I myself will never "rent" some elses peice of equipment because I get no sense of accomplishment getting it. Secondly, I don't trust most people in the game. I have numorous examples, but so does everyone else.



EDIT: If I had a rare item, I would def. rent it out to people for a price (A way for me to get rid of alot of hardleather bodies). I would not scam this person at all. I would be honest about it, but I do understand there is no way to insure this.
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I Personaly disagree with it, But i can see your reasoning. As long as the person knows that they are only getting it for a short while and not buying it then thats ok. I dislike it, I think the system was made to help friends out. Not just anyone.
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You paid X amount of money for the item, if you rent it for free you're just Giving Away an amount of money/experience that you could have made with that item had you kept it. So if you rent it out for free, you're losing X money/exp. It's only natural that the renter should pay.



I'm no expert woodcutter, but let's say you have a dragon axe. You decide to lend it out after one hour of woodcutting, in which time you made 40k exp and got 800 willows. (im not much a wcer so these figures aren't real.) So, let's say, if you sold those willows you would make X amount of money. If you rent it out and the renter does not pay you more than the amount of money you made with the item, you're losing potential money that you could have made just by keeping the item. Not to mention the exp!
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jagex mods has said its reportable to charge money for lending items. gf
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