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Racism is absolutely not a complicated topic. It ids literally the most black and white topic there is. There's no way to under- or oversimplify it. Yet another excuse commonly used to [kitty]foot around the actual issues. Also, are you saying that the bold text is completely made up? If so, i'd like to hear your explanation. 

Well you could go into history and how that feeds into current social conditions and representation, unconscious responses (like Randox just mentioned), probably economics... I am just academic enough to overcomplicate things like that.

 

Yes, saying it's completely made up. The explanation is a simple one: most of the country does not think America won in Vietnam, and especially nowadays we feel that we should never have gotten involved over there in the first place.

 

Interesting that you think that. As someone that isn't an American citizen, i get the complete opposite understanding. Perhaps it's because i lived in the south(ish?). Perhaps it's not the best place and the best people to use as an example (as i understand it people from the south are more likely to be racist and/or overly patriotic). As for your reasoning behind racism... i mean... You could go into whatever you want, make up any excuse you want, say whatever you want... racism is still very black and white. if you hate/dislike someone purely based on the color of their skin then any other reasoning doesn't matter.

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Interesting, I've never felt it was implied that all black Americans are shot or arrested

Well that's pretty obvious. You're American yourself, so it's extremely hard for you to understand and/or admit that things like that happen day to day. Americans really hate when anything negative is said about their country. Why do you think, till this day, so many people think America won in Vietnam, and that the war there was at all justified? 

 

 

As far as police brutality. Yes it happens, yes it statistically happens more to african americans. Though with a country that is continental in scale, with close to half a billion people its very minor rates of abuse. Statistically in terms of size of land area and population Qatar is infinitely worse.

 

 

And no, no one supports Vietnam and even people like Bill O'reilly stopping supporting the war in Iraq.  And yes a gullible public is one of the worst parts of our culture but other cultures including Qatar have many worse qualities THAN* that :lol:, some of which you've pointed out yourself

 

And Qatar has what to do with this, exactly? Or are you just trying to offload some of your salt by tossing a few insult about Qatar my way? Do whatever makes you feel better, but at the very least use a country you've actually been too. Right now you're going off hearsay, and a very biased american media. A media that till this day still believes that the Bush family had absolutely no involvement in 9/11. I might as well use Al Jazeera as my only source of information and/or news next time war breaks out in Israel and proclaim it to be the one and only truth. 

 

EDIT: I should add, the same media that made the entire country believe that Bin Laden is actually dead. If they're able to convince  their country of that, they should be easy able to convince the very same country that if you come to Qatar you'll see donkeys walking on their hind legs, and big bad arab men enslaving anyone one they want.

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Interesting that you think that. As someone that isn't an American citizen, i get the complete opposite understanding. Perhaps it's because i lived in the south(ish?). Perhaps it's not the best place and the best people to use as an example (as i understand it people from the south are more likely to be racist and/or overly patriotic). As for your reasoning behind racism... i mean... You could go into whatever you want, make up any excuse you want, say whatever you want... racism is still very black and white. if you hate/dislike someone purely based on the color of their skin then any other reasoning doesn't matter.

Just saying that we can go on and on about how simple and silly racism really is, but it has a lot of serious effects on a lot of people. I think that people tend to (like to) forget that you don't have to be a card-carrying bigot to be prejudiced, and the scariest effects are unconscious (such as thinking a black person is inherently more of a threat, or more deserving of a harder sentence, or what-have-you).

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Why bring up Qatar? Because I'm missing your point. 

 

Is your rant supposed to be a pecking order of which state is the most racist, corrupt and oppressive? Because America while bad nowhere tops the list and Qatar itself is worse in every catagory.  Assuming this was your rant bringing up Qatar is relevant.

 

Is your rant supposed to be this weird random rant about a country you don't live in? Seems pretty irrelevant, since you don't see me complaining much about Estonia. Because no one cares about Estonia whether there is serious merits or flaws with the Estonian state and culture. 

 

Is your rant supposed to be a jab at the users here from America? Because when you go on about how stupid Americans are your directly insulting all the users from America (which make up most of this forum).

 

 

 

 

Can you tell me what your intention is for ranting about America because I cant figure out what your goal is. Above is some of guesses.

 

 

Also some of your suggestions about what the average American believes are really ridiculous which is why a lot of TIF users are getting offended

You should be asking yourself those questions, to be honest. You seemed to get really offended a few days ago when i said i felt safer in the middle east than i ever did (and as a foreigner, ever would) in the US. And i'm guessing that's where your quest for vengeance started. Happy we managed to settle this. 

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When did i say that lol. You should come reread your posts in a few days after calmin down lol

10/10 response  =D>

 

That just about puts this "argument" to rest. 

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And as many black people that get shot by the police, I'm sure that white people get shot too. The only difference is that nobody cares when a white guys gets shot.

Most likely, but I thought this was about what impression the media tells us.

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Apparently my country gets mentioned.

We have no racism problems. Since black people make up like 0.001% of population.

We have nearly no corruption. Since everything is controlled and checked and people are honest.

 

But the issue of immigrants has split our country apart. The EU suggests we take care of some refugees from Syria and other countries. The public is against it.

Why the [bleep] should we accept some muslims from Syria or Libya in our small country in the North when we can't properly support our own?

The talk is about 1000 refugees. And even I think that this is too [bleep]ing much. We are a xenophobic, patriotic people who can only get along amongst ourselves when we are in love or if we have a common enemy.

 

And I think I would also feel safer in Qatar than in the US. But I still feel safer than either of those in Norway and Estonia. We don't lock doors or anything.

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So I've noticed this thread's regulars all follow similar trends.

 

RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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Interesting, I've never felt it was implied that all black Americans are shot or arrested

Well that's pretty obvious. You're American yourself, so it's extremely hard for you to understand and/or admit that things like that happen day to day. Americans really hate when anything negative is said about their country. Why do you think, till this day, so many people think America won in Vietnam, and that the war there was at all justified?
What? Dude everyone in America HATES America despite living a comfortable lifestyle. Everyone here whines about inequality and stuff like that all the time. Conservatives think liberals are lazy, liberals think conservatives are sociopaths. I've never met a single person who doesn't get pissed off whenever they start talking about politics here.

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I'm sure it hasn't been mentioned before because of the perceived outrageousness, but where Noxx do you found the opinions that the Bushes were involved in 9/11 and Bin Laden is still alive?

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Unless you live in a country that is in war, or in a state of unrest, I think everyone should feel safe. None of us are living under the constant fear that lives are at threat, so I think we're all good. 

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I'm sure it hasn't been mentioned before because of the perceived outrageousness, but where Noxx do you found the opinions that the Bushes were involved in 9/11 and Bin Laden is still alive?

Not sure if you're trolling or not.

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Noxx you're making it really hard for us to take you seriously when you deflect any sort of demands for facts with personal attacks and unsupported opinions lol

That was a serious response. I mean you're more than welcome to your own opinion, but if you (or anyone else for that matter) is still in denial about that fact that 9/11 was government planned (let's face it, the US made enormous profits from it so clearly things went as planned) then i find it really hard to take you seriously. 

 

As an aside, i never asked to be taken seriously. Think whatever the hell you want, lol. No skin off my scrotum. 

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Alright then I guess no one's going to take your point of view seriously then haha. I think this discussion's over :P

Lol, like i said, no skin off my scrotum  :mrgreen:  :^_^:  <3:  :thumbsup:  \:D/  :twss:  :-D  :-P

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jet fuel can't melt steel beams

 

 

 

 

Noxx you're making it really hard for us to take you seriously when you deflect any sort of demands for facts with personal attacks and unsupported opinions lol

That was a serious response. I mean you're more than welcome to your own opinion, but if you (or anyone else for that matter) is still in denial about that fact that 9/11 was government planned (let's face it, the US made enormous profits from it so clearly things went as planned) then i find it really hard to take you seriously. 

 

As an aside, i never asked to be taken seriously. Think whatever the hell you want, lol. No skin off my scrotum. 

 

 

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Lol that's hilarious. r8 it 8/8 m8 gr8 b8 i aprici8. Look, if my government killed 3000 people for it's own benefit, i wouldn't want to believe it either. Even if a plane somehow managed to completely disintegrate while by some miracle a handful of passports managed to survive the same crash (which is by all means not possible), i'd probably still want to believe my government had nothing.... lmao i can't even go on. Like i said, you believe what you want. I honestly thought it was common knowledge by now (US arranging 9/11). Guess not  :XD:  

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I'm sure it hasn't been mentioned before because of the perceived outrageousness, but where Noxx do you found the opinions that the Bushes were involved in 9/11 and Bin Laden is still alive?

Not sure if you're trolling or not.
I was serious. One cannot make such claims without evidence to back them.

 

I can't even take most of what you have said seriously now. What evidence you did provide was heresay as nothing but a conspiracy theory was stated. Show me a document or something showing involvement. An argument such as the one provided for 9/11 by you means that I can start saying that Pearl Harbor was an inside job because the US made massive profits off of WW2.

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I'm sure it hasn't been mentioned before because of the perceived outrageousness, but where Noxx do you found the opinions that the Bushes were involved in 9/11 and Bin Laden is still alive?

Not sure if you're trolling or not.
I was serious. One cannot make such claims without evidence to back them.

 

I can't even take most of what you have said seriously now. What evidence you did provide was heresay as nothing but a conspiracy theory was stated. Show me a document or something showing involvement. An argument such as the one provided for 9/11 by you means that I can start saying that Pearl Harbor was an inside job because the US made massive profits off of WW2.

 

I'm not here to convert you or convince you. You want the evidence, the internet is at your disposal. Like i said, what you believe or don't believe is entirely up to you and i couldn't care either way. I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you want to live in denial, by all means do so. If you don't want to take me seriously, by all means do so. Bothers me not one bit. I'm not going to ask you to change you mind or your opinion. 

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I'm sure it hasn't been mentioned before because of the perceived outrageousness, but where Noxx do you found the opinions that the Bushes were involved in 9/11 and Bin Laden is still alive?

Not sure if you're trolling or not.
I was serious. One cannot make such claims without evidence to back them.

 

I can't even take most of what you have said seriously now. What evidence you did provide was heresay as nothing but a conspiracy theory was stated. Show me a document or something showing involvement. An argument such as the one provided for 9/11 by you means that I can start saying that Pearl Harbor was an inside job because the US made massive profits off of WW2.

I'm not here to convert you or convince you. You want the evidence, the internet is at your disposal. Like i said, what you believe or don't believe is entirely up to you and i couldn't care either way. I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you want to live in denial, by all means do so. If you don't want to take me seriously, by all means do so. Bothers me not one bit. I'm not going to ask you to change you mind or your opinion.
I don't know. I just read a relatively convincing article, if all of the science actually adds up as mentioned, regarding 9/11 and the whole inside job shebang, but maybe just from too much time on the internet was utterly distracted during a large section talking on how, to paraphrase, "jet fuel can't melt steel beams."
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