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I brielfy skimmed through an article earlier today about a man suing Etihad Airlines for seating him next to an obese person (think it was a man) on a 14 hour flight, and as a result he now suffers from back problems which has an impact on his sleep and career. All i can say is it's about damn time someone started suing for this bullshit. Hope he gets every single penny and more. It's time airline start getting their shit together.

Maybe he shouldn't go Economy next time.

 

Or maybe if you're to fat to fit in one seat you should pay for two.

 

That is probably a worse solution and could maybe even encourage more lawsuits which I presume would be along the lines of 'Discrimination' or 'Mistreatment' for the large person(s). You'll be surprised how many times airlines get 'sued' on this very issue. If they have a problem with it, why can't the complainer pay for two seats? 

 

On a side note, Etihad Airways have constantly ranked in the top 5 for Best Economy class. I can only imagine how abused the American airlines are getting on this issue. 

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I brielfy skimmed through an article earlier today about a man suing Etihad Airlines for seating him next to an obese person (think it was a man) on a 14 hour flight, and as a result he now suffers from back problems which has an impact on his sleep and career. All i can say is it's about damn time someone started suing for this bullshit. Hope he gets every single penny and more. It's time airline start getting their shit together.

Maybe he shouldn't go Economy next time.

 

Or maybe if you're to fat to fit in one seat you should pay for two.

 

That is probably a worse solution and could maybe even encourage more lawsuits which I presume would be along the lines of 'Discrimination' or 'Mistreatment' for the large person(s). You'll be surprised how many times airlines get 'sued' on this very issue. If they have a problem with it, why can't the complainer pay for two seats? 

 

On a side note, Etihad Airways have constantly ranked in the top 5 for Best Economy class. I can only imagine how abused the American airlines are getting on this issue. 

 

Lol that's complete absurd logic. Why on earth would you ask the "complainer" to pay for two seats? He's not the one taking up more than his allotted space with his overly large body frame. If he's too fat to fit in his allotted space, he should pay for whatever extra space he's also likely to fill. And since you can't buy seats in fractions, his only option should be to pay the full price for two seats. I see no reason why an obese person should burden other innocents with his health issues. Be they hereditary or "self-inflicted".

 

 

 

I brielfy skimmed through an article earlier today about a man suing Etihad Airlines for seating him next to an obese person (think it was a man) on a 14 hour flight, and as a result he now suffers from back problems which has an impact on his sleep and career. All i can say is it's about damn time someone started suing for this bullshit. Hope he gets every single penny and more. It's time airline start getting their shit together.

Maybe he shouldn't go Economy next time.

 

Claiming that you suffer from back problems as a result of sitting next to an obese person seems a bit absurd, but I won't have much sympathy for the airlines if they're forced to pay out money. And I don't know about over there but here you can end up paying substantially more for a first class seat over a regular one. It's kind of a waste of money and you shouldn't have to pay that just to get something reasonable.

 

Have you ever been seated next to an obese person for 10+ hours in economy seating? A person that takes up a good 20% of your already extreme small seat. If you are forced to contort your body to avoid making personal contact with that person, it's really no surprise he suffered a back injury. And yes, you are right. Business class is generally 3 times the price of economy. First class is anywhere from 4 - 5 times the price. 

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Lol that's complete absurd logic. Why on earth would you ask the "complainer" to pay for two seats? He's not the one taking up more than his allotted space with his overly large body frame. If he's too fat to fit in his allotted space, he should pay for whatever extra space he's also likely to fill. And since you can't buy seats in fractions, his only option should be to pay the full price for two seats. I see no reason why an obese person should burden other innocents with his health issues. Be they hereditary or "self-inflicted".

 

That is probably a worse solution and could maybe even encourage more lawsuits which I presume would be along the lines of 'Discrimination' or 'Mistreatment' for the large person(s). You'll be surprised how many times airlines get 'sued' on this very issue. If they have a problem with it, why can't the complainer pay for two seats? 

 

Or maybe if you're to fat to fit in one seat you should pay for two.

 

Maybe he shouldn't go Economy next time.

 

On a side note, Etihad Airways have constantly ranked in the top 5 for Best Economy class. I can only imagine how abused the American airlines are getting on this issue. 

 

Have you ever been seated next to an obese person for 10+ hours in economy seating? A person that takes up a good 20% of your already extreme small seat. If you are forced to contort your body to avoid making personal contact with that person, it's really no surprise he suffered a back injury. And yes, you are right. Business class is generally 3 times the price of economy. First class is anywhere from 4 - 5 times the price. 

 

Claiming that you suffer from back problems as a result of sitting next to an obese person seems a bit absurd, but I won't have much sympathy for the airlines if they're forced to pay out money. And I don't know about over there but here you can end up paying substantially more for a first class seat over a regular one. It's kind of a waste of money and you shouldn't have to pay that just to get something reasonable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see how it is absurd logic. Since I now understand you don't have an understanding how a business works, particularly airlines, how would airlines logistically manage your claim based on how an airlines receives information from its customers? With your logic, airlines would have to ask the customer's weight whilst they are making a booking and adjust the seating plan accordingly which only then they may ask the "obese" customer to pay for two seats.  How then, would that approach to managing this issue be solved with your logic? (theoretically I mean) as we both know you can't suddenly pay for two seats for both security reasons as well as the possibility of the flight being full. Also, the government would never allow this query from airlines based on Discrimination of customers. 

 

I also agree that obese people should pay for extra seating. However, I don't think it could be possible. 

 

EDIT 1: The flight for this Etihad lawsuit was full so they could not place him anywhere else. They even put him in the cabin crew seat for some of the flight so he would be less difficult. 

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Lol that's complete absurd logic. Why on earth would you ask the "complainer" to pay for two seats? He's not the one taking up more than his allotted space with his overly large body frame. If he's too fat to fit in his allotted space, he should pay for whatever extra space he's also likely to fill. And since you can't buy seats in fractions, his only option should be to pay the full price for two seats. I see no reason why an obese person should burden other innocents with his health issues. Be they hereditary or "self-inflicted".

 

That is probably a worse solution and could maybe even encourage more lawsuits which I presume would be along the lines of 'Discrimination' or 'Mistreatment' for the large person(s). You'll be surprised how many times airlines get 'sued' on this very issue. If they have a problem with it, why can't the complainer pay for two seats? 

 

Or maybe if you're to fat to fit in one seat you should pay for two.

 

Maybe he shouldn't go Economy next time.

 

On a side note, Etihad Airways have constantly ranked in the top 5 for Best Economy class. I can only imagine how abused the American airlines are getting on this issue. 

 

Have you ever been seated next to an obese person for 10+ hours in economy seating? A person that takes up a good 20% of your already extreme small seat. If you are forced to contort your body to avoid making personal contact with that person, it's really no surprise he suffered a back injury. And yes, you are right. Business class is generally 3 times the price of economy. First class is anywhere from 4 - 5 times the price. 

 

Claiming that you suffer from back problems as a result of sitting next to an obese person seems a bit absurd, but I won't have much sympathy for the airlines if they're forced to pay out money. And I don't know about over there but here you can end up paying substantially more for a first class seat over a regular one. It's kind of a waste of money and you shouldn't have to pay that just to get something reasonable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see how it is absurd logic. Since I now understand you don't have an understanding how a business works, particularly airlines, how would airlines logistically manage your claim based on how an airlines receives information from its customers? With your logic, airlines would have to ask the customer's weight whilst they are making a booking and adjust the seating plan accordingly which only then they may ask the "obese" customer to pay for two seats.  How then, would that approach to managing this issue be solved with your logic? (theoretically I mean) as we both know you can't suddenly pay for two seats for both security reasons as well as the possibility of the flight being full. Also, the government would never allow this query from airlines based on Discrimination of customers. 

 

I also agree that obese people should pay for extra seating. However, I don't think it could be possible. 

 

EDIT 1: The flight for this Etihad lawsuit was full so they could not place him anywhere else. They even put him in the cabin crew seat for some of the flight so he would be less difficult. 

 

You're misunderstanding me. I'm well aware of the legal and logistical issues that are likely to arise. Unless you buy the ticket over the counter, there really isn't much you can do. What i'm saying is they should (if by any force it was possible) be asked to pay for two tickets. There are ways to go about this, but it'll make the purchasing process just a lot more tedious than it has to be. And you'll get the overly sensitive folk crying about discrimination, mistreatment, etc. Point stands (and it's an opinion maintained by the majority), if you're too [bleep]ing fat to fit in one seat the airline should charge you for an additional seat. If the flight is fully booked, your flight should be rescheduled. There should be no reason and no excuse for you to jeopardize the safety and comfort of other passengers. Again, this is how it should work. And i understand that because of an overly sensitive public, and people getting offended by the smallest of things, this is something that is not likely to happen. I feel i should say this at least a few times just so you're aware that i know a business can't do this without legal implications.  

 

Also, i find your edited text extremely funny. "so he would be less difficult". Like, are you [bleep]ing kidding me, hahaha. The guy spent money on a seat. He's unable to utilize the full space of his seat because of the enormity of the man sitting next to him. And you're calling him difficult? I don't even know what to say to that. That...i'm done.... Lol i'm just done. 

 

EDIT: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11772741/Air-passenger-suing-for-a-back-injury-caused-by-sitting-next-to-obese-man.html

 

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Well, philosophically I agree with you without hesitance however I believe that there is no way going about this issue without hurting the given airline. On your second point, I find it funny how to try to be condescending toward as If I am foolish to say that. What could they have done to assist him? It's mind numbing how you can't consider that he could of just left before take-off if he had a problem with it which he could of. 

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Well, philosophically I agree with you without hesitance however I believe that there is no way going about this issue without hurting the given airline. On your second point, I find it funny how to try to be condescending toward as If I am foolish to say that. What could they have done to assist him? It's mind numbing how you can't consider that he could of just left before take-off if he had a problem with it which he could of. 

Do me a favor and look at the second picture in the article i posted above. That guy is a direct threat to the safety of the passengers on that flight. Not only that, but he'll have an impact on the comfort of anyone that has to pass him during any stage of the flight. Do you think it's fair of him to sit where he's sitting? Do you think it's fair to the rest of the passengers? Let's assume they have to make an emergency landing, and they're forced to get on their hands and knees to crawl to the exit (to avoid cabin smoke). Do you think the guy will even fit in the aisle on his hands and knees? Very unlikely. So in this event, you're asking everyone on that flight to "just leave before take-off if they had a problem with it"? I'm not saying many people will, because sadly not many people consider this a scenario. But in the event of an emergency, if people were to get injured because of this, i can sure as hell assure you that they'll be saying "Why did you let the fat man on the plane if you knew he would jeopardize our safety?" 

 

The same applies to the Etihad case. Although he did not jeopardize anyone's safety, he did jeopardize another passenger's comfort. If anyone should have considered getting off, he should have. Or he could have done the fair thing and bought two tickets to fully support his large frame.

 

EDIT: I do not mean to be condescending. I just get extremely upset about these things because so little people actually consider the safety implications these situations have. They're too worried about someone getting offended, that they'd risk their own safety and the safety of others.

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Well, philosophically I agree with you without hesitance however I believe that there is no way going about this issue without hurting the given airline. On your second point, I find it funny how to try to be condescending toward as If I am foolish to say that. What could they have done to assist him? It's mind numbing how you can't consider that he could of just left before take-off if he had a problem with it which he could of. 

Do me a favor and look at the second picture in the article i posted above. That guy is a direct threat to the safety of the passengers on that flight. Not only that, but he'll have an impact on the comfort of anyone that has to pass him during any stage of the flight. Do you think it's fair of him to sit where he's sitting? Do you think it's fair to the rest of the passengers? Let's assume they have to make an emergency landing, and they're forced to get on their hands and knees to crawl to the exit (to avoid cabin smoke). Do you think the guy will even fit in the aisle on his hands and knees? Very unlikely. So in this event, you're asking everyone on that flight to "just leave before take-off if they had a problem with it"? I'm not saying many people will, because sadly not many people consider this a scenario. But in the event of an emergency, if people were to get injured because of this, i can sure as hell assure you that they'll be saying "Why did you let the fat man on the plane if you knew he would jeopardize our safety?" 

 

The same applies to the Etihad case. Although he did not jeopardize anyone's safety, he did jeopardize another passenger's comfort. If anyone should have considered getting off, he should have. Or he could have done the fair thing and bought two tickets to fully support his large frame.

 

EDIT: I do not mean to be condescending. I just get extremely upset about these things because so little people actually consider the safety implications these situations have. They're too worried about someone getting offended, that they'd risk their own safety and the safety of others.

 

I am confident we've already agreed that if it were possible for large people to pay for extra seating, we would implement it. As I have told you, it is logistically impossible to fix this so I am afraid we're just pulling the rope here. You should know that this sort of discrimination would never be allowed no matter how much we'd like to establish it. I think that I stand in much the same position here. 

 

EDIT: That is a fine point you've made on safety. Very thought provoking actually.

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Did a "small" trip the last few days. Around 800 miles in 2 days.

 

Managed to swim in the Atlantic, race in the mountains, tent at a salmon river, play snow fight... And it is summer here still.

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Gonna be backpacking through the white mountains next week, I'm pretty hype for that. I've never backpacked before so it's probably going to be pretty rough for me going on a 5 day trip but oh well.

 

Now y'all know where I'm going to be so if you ever wanted to find and murder me, now's your chance haha

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Put scales underneath the seats and charge proportionately to that. Multiply ticket price by weight/100 lbs

it's not just weight though, for example many muscular guys would be quite heavy but still manage to fit into one seat.

 

If they wanted to do it, it should be done by waist measurement.

 

Anyway, it will happen eventually. More cases like this one will happen, airlines will get fed up, and start requiring waist measurements for flight tickets.

 

At that point, an obese person whose feelings have been hurt will take them to court. Eventually, the airlines will win the case and this will become the norm, at least until the percentage of obesity in the population goes down.

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Put scales underneath the seats and charge proportionately to that. Multiply ticket price by weight/100 lbs

 

What about those people that are like 7' tall?

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Honestly it's a dilemma that I don't think is going to resolve itself nicely.  Personally, I think someone who's obese should know to make accommodations for themselves when they fly, at the very least for their own comfort (either two seats or a first class ticket).  I would be surprised if airlines take an official stance on it any time soon.

 

I don't think it would really even be possible to enforce a weight or waist size limit.  If someone buys one seat and is obese, I don't see them breaking out the measuring tape and stopping them from boarding if they exceed the limit.  The amount of hassle over trying to enforce a rule like that is definitely not worth it.  I'm sure they have analysts who have done the math: it would cost more to implement a policy and enforce it (and deal with the lawsuits over it) than it would to deal with the occasional lawsuit regarding discomfort and the potential safety hazard.

 

It's all a numbers game and it just doesn't make financial sense to implement a policy.  Discrimination lawsuits are more common and have more precedence than "I had to sit next to a fat guy" lawsuits. 

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First time backpacking ever and 5 days?

Gonna be rough. You got proper shoes? The most important things are proper shoes and a proper backpack.

 

Also, any in your company has earlier experience?

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RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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Here's the solution to the obese passenger dilemma:

 

Ask yourself: what are the odds that you will be forced to sit next to someone so obese that they occupy more than one seat on your next flight? Would you bet money that your next flight will be next to an obese passenger?

 

If the answer is no, and you somehow get put into that position, the solution is to bite your tongue, quit feeling sorry for yourself, and remind yourself that you get to experience the miracle of flight and you get to soar through the heavens at 500 mph to get across the country in less than a day. Imagine [bleep]ing about this to your ancestors who had to go on these grueling expeditions for months at a time, and half of their friends and family died along the way! Lol they'd probably be like, "Ok so you're telling me you had to be uncomfortable for a few hours and now your life has been ruined? Gotcha."

 

If the answer is yes, then you arrange your flight in such a way that you minimize the odds of that happening. You use a different company that allows you to choose your seat or you get out of economy. This is where you say, "What?! But I shouldn't have to do that! That's not fair!" Tough shit. You do have to do that. And it's really not that big of a deal.

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First time backpacking ever and 5 days?

Gonna be rough. You got proper shoes? The most important things are proper shoes and a proper backpack.

 

Also, any in your company has earlier experience?

I've got two pairs of hiking boots, plus my doc martens.  Probably not going to wear the doc's even though they're super comfy and I wear them pretty much every day. They just aren't the same amount of support and grip, so I'll pick one of the other pairs.  As for a pack, I have an old one aluminum frame one that's not in amazing shape but should be good enough. I'm going with my friend who's done a couple several day backpacking trips.  It's just the two of us though, so we're going to try to go as light as possible I think.  But splitting the required gear between only two people is probably going to be tough.

 

We should be sticking to less than 10 miles (15km) a day.  It's fairly steep terrain at parts though.  Worst case we'll just ditch early or reduce miles per day.

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Doc Martens ain't no hiking boots.

And why the heck should you have 2 pairs of hiking boots? Even I have only one pair. Most important thing about hiking boots, at least in the mountains, is to have pretty much rock-hard soles. You'll know after having been through 5-6 pairs of hiking boots (I think 2 pairs I grew out of and 3 pairs have simply fallen apart).

 

Warm underwear is a life saver on hiking trips. Most universal clothing I have.

Splitting the gear between two ain't that tough. But it is a lot about what you bring along, and whether you have to carry clean water with you or you can just refill anywhere, like I have done so in Norway and Estonia.

I plan on going to Iceland for 12 days with a mate, living out of a backpack pretty much. But then again I have a lot of experience and pretty high-end, reliable and tested equipment.

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So I've noticed this thread's regulars all follow similar trends.

 

RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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Put scales underneath the seats and charge proportionately to that. Multiply ticket price by weight/100 lbs

it's not just weight though, for example many muscular guys would be quite heavy but still manage to fit into one seat.

 

If they wanted to do it, it should be done by waist measurement.

 

Anyway, it will happen eventually. More cases like this one will happen, airlines will get fed up, and start requiring waist measurements for flight tickets.

 

At that point, an obese person whose feelings have been hurt will take them to court. Eventually, the airlines will win the case and this will become the norm, at least until the percentage of obesity in the population goes down.

Obese people aren't a protected class. Airplanes can discriminate by weight as much as they want and there's nothing that fat people can do about it.
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But as an update today since the landlord has been getting threatened by a total of some dozen people by now; most repairs and maintenance have been achieved. Inspection is in about 12 hours as I post this so if its up to snuff it'll all work out. Thankfully my girlfriends old landlord was baller and let her and her 3 roommates stay an extra couple days while it got sorted.

 

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First time backpacking ever and 5 days?

Gonna be rough. You got proper shoes? The most important things are proper shoes and a proper backpack.

 

Also, any in your company has earlier experience?

I've got two pairs of hiking boots, plus my doc martens.  Probably not going to wear the doc's even though they're super comfy and I wear them pretty much every day. They just aren't the same amount of support and grip, so I'll pick one of the other pairs.  As for a pack, I have an old one aluminum frame one that's not in amazing shape but should be good enough. I'm going with my friend who's done a couple several day backpacking trips.  It's just the two of us though, so we're going to try to go as light as possible I think.  But splitting the required gear between only two people is probably going to be tough.

 

We should be sticking to less than 10 miles (15km) a day.  It's fairly steep terrain at parts though.  Worst case we'll just ditch early or reduce miles per day.

 

 

10 miles a day + terrain + you've never been backpacking is going to be super rough. How much is your pack going weigh? From experience, taking 5 days worth of food at once is a huge weight burden (although it gets lighter as the trip goes on). I would also recommend that you weigh down your pack and walk around a park, a trail, or something for an hour or two just to make sure that your pack fits right and that it isn't hurting your hips or shoulder, and if it does, make adjustments or get a different pack.

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Put scales underneath the seats and charge proportionately to that. Multiply ticket price by weight/100 lbs

it's not just weight though, for example many muscular guys would be quite heavy but still manage to fit into one seat.

 

If they wanted to do it, it should be done by waist measurement.

 

Anyway, it will happen eventually. More cases like this one will happen, airlines will get fed up, and start requiring waist measurements for flight tickets.

 

At that point, an obese person whose feelings have been hurt will take them to court. Eventually, the airlines will win the case and this will become the norm, at least until the percentage of obesity in the population goes down.

 

Obese people aren't a protected class. Airplanes can discriminate by weight as much as they want and there's nothing that fat people can do about it.

 

won't stop them from suing for hurt feelings though

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Here's the solution to the obese passenger dilemma:

 

Ask yourself: what are the odds that you will be forced to sit next to someone so obese that they occupy more than one seat on your next flight? Would you bet money that your next flight will be next to an obese passenger?

 

If the answer is no, and you somehow get put into that position, the solution is to bite your tongue, quit feeling sorry for yourself, and remind yourself that you get to experience the miracle of flight and you get to soar through the heavens at 500 mph to get across the country in less than a day. Imagine [bleep]ing about this to your ancestors who had to go on these grueling expeditions for months at a time, and half of their friends and family died along the way! Lol they'd probably be like, "Ok so you're telling me you had to be uncomfortable for a few hours and now your life has been ruined? Gotcha."

 

If the answer is yes, then you arrange your flight in such a way that you minimize the odds of that happening. You use a different company that allows you to choose your seat or you get out of economy. This is where you say, "What?! But I shouldn't have to do that! That's not fair!" Tough shit. You do have to do that. And it's really not that big of a deal.

With that logic you could invalidate almost every problem we have in the modern world. "You're hungry because you didn't eat breakfast this morning? Well sometimes your ancestors might have gone weeks without a meal!" "You're annoyed that the government is spying on you through the phones and internet? You should be thankful that you're able to carry access to all the world's knowledge in your pocket!" "You've been shot? Well if you were shot before the 20th century if you survived the almost inevitable infection then you probably would have lost a limb!"

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