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don't we see the same stagnation of real wages in fields that were all male and remain nearly all male?

Yes, but competition for those jobs still increases with the size of the labour pool because competition in other fields (where women work more) increases too - there are more men trying to get jobs in male dominated fields because it's harder for them to get jobs in fields that were previously male dominated and aren't anymore.

 

This is one of the "negative" effects of increase female labour force participation, but there have been a ton of positives too - consumer goods are generally much less expensive today than they were fifty years ago. The increased pace of technology and innovation is also due to more women working to a significant extent. My point is just that when it comes to economics, most phenomenon are not *all good* or *all bad* - in most cases, there are pros and cons..these things are all about tradeoffs. What you consider an appropriate tradeoff depends on your personal biases, like most things.

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Weird thing to blame it on but ok

Why is it weird? It's completely consistent with economic theory that when you increase the supply of something relative to demand it has a depressive effect on prices (salaries when it comes to employement).

 

Here's some info on female labor force participation rate if you doubt that it's increased significantly since the 50s.

 

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So of all of the literally millions of things that correlate with income inequality, you decided to pick labor force participation rate by gender? You don't think that's weird?

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So of all of the literally millions of things that correlate with income inequality, you decided to pick labor force participation rate by gender? You don't think that's weird?

The posts I responded to didn't say anything about income inquality, they were saying salaries were higher when households had a single income. In response, I show that salaries declined in large part because most modern households have dual income, which is highly correlated with increased female participation in the labour force. No, I don't think it's weird, I think it's answering the question that was asked.

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In here we are currently at a phase where older people are feeling left out and people over 50-55 have the largest struggles with unemployment. Everybody wants to hire young people here these days, cause they are more eager and willing to do more work for less money.

 

In other words, "finished" my training at work and in shifts now. Pretty cool. Didn't take half as long as I thoight it would.

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So I've noticed this thread's regulars all follow similar trends.

 

RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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So of all of the literally millions of things that correlate with income inequality, you decided to pick labor force participation rate by gender? You don't think that's weird?

The posts I responded to didn't say anything about income inquality, they were saying salaries were higher when households had a single income. In response, I show that salaries declined in large part because most modern households have dual income, which is highly correlated with increased female participation in the labour force. No, I don't think it's weird, I think it's answering the question that was asked.
I wouldn't call this "blaming the female worker" so much as objective truth that if typical households double their income (by literally having a 2nd adult becoming a full time worker), it will significantly affect things like real estate and job pools.

 

 

I feel like we breezed pass responsibility of misinformation a little quickly.

 

One [wagon] can cause a LOT of damage. Let's check out the reason the anti-vaccine movement started for instance. http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com

Real website. Outstanding presentation why stupidity should be routed quickly. I agree that limiting free speech is dangerous, but shit like this should have a warning label. If McDonald's needs to iterate "CAUTION HOT COFFEE" on every God damn coffee cup they serve people like Alex Jones and Jenny McCarthy should be forced to label their content with something like "CAUTION I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M SAYING"

 

I've always enjoyed this thought exercise: imagine how dumb the average person is. Now understand that half the world's population is dumber than that.

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I've always enjoyed this thought exercise: imagine how dumb the average person is. Now understand that half the world's population is dumber than that.

 

 

IIRC that's less of a thought exercise and more of a George Carlin standup bit :P

 

the average person's IQ is gradually rising every year... I really don't think the average person is dumb. they're pretty well-rounded and intelligent compared to in the past. better to think that half the world's population is even smarter than that IMO. sure one idiot can cause a lot of damage, but the opposite could be said for one extraordinary intelligent person

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Social media has turned me cynical I'm afraid

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the thing that scares me more is that most people think they're in the top half

 

edit: to both of your points...now, we have thousands of idiots who don't vaccinate, causing a dozen deaths a year. 150 years ago, we just had thousands of deaths a year instead.

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And while I acknowledge that the numbers have improved, forgive my reluctance to accept that we can't do better

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Of course...we should always try to do better. Just important to realize that it is possible that attempts to make things better may actually make things worse, and to proceed with caution

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Nah dude I totally follow you. To add on to your hypothesis, more families now are going up with 2 working parents and are subsequently raised in an alternative setting, whether that be a baby sitter or a television/iPad. Conversely, as you mentioned constant relocation for jobs, I think there's a factor of not starting a family at all Becoming a more popular option - but I actually think thats not just a good thing but a GREAT one. As you said, grandparents will be less involved and I agree, not only due to location but by massive age difference. And without a family baby sitter, actual baby sitting services and day care can get wildly expensive. Like 2nd mortgage expensive in my area. I'm totally down for less people breeding, but I feel it fuels into this idea that industry/production is a lifestyle. I respect people that work hard, especially long hours but at what point is it "slavery with extra steps"? If we've been developed to not desire a family, does that make us work harder or less hard? What's the motivation for working at all if you can provide for yourself if that's the only responsibility we have?

 

...got a bit rambly there...

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Eh, counterpoint, every m/f couple I know wants kids. Even the ones I was pretty sure didn't want kids, like my brother, who just had his first kid at 36, after like a decade of being married.

 

I'm pretty sure America has had a below-replacement birthrate for most of its history. I don't think the rate at which people are having kids is really changing.

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Eh, counterpoint, every m/f couple I know wants kids. Even the ones I was pretty sure didn't want kids, like my brother, who just had his first kid at 36, after like a decade of being married.

 

I'm pretty sure America has had a below-replacement birthrate for most of its history. I don't think the rate at which people are having kids is really changing.

It's changed a lot lol...US births per woman in 1800 was 7.04 - now it's 1.8. https://eh.net/encyclopedia/fertility-and-mortality-in-the-united-states/

 

 

The majority of countries in the world have had significant drops in birthrate over the past 150 years - worldwide the drop has been enormous:

 

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN

 

Even countries with high TFR have declined substantially: India for example went from 5.31 in 1960 to 2.33 in 2016. In fact, the only country on that list that has a higher TFR in 2016 than 1960 is DR Congo - went from 6.001 to 6.112

 

For this reason, most analysis I've seen predicts worldwide population peaking at around 10 billion somewhere around 2070 and then declining substantially. The main reason population has even kept growing up to this point is increased life expectancy

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Ayyy no more dying in child birth and vaccines to the rescue! Not to mention better child labor laws....

 

 

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I think that's a pretty big get out of jail free card...

missed this...what's the alternative, though? There will always be people (lots of them) who do stupid stuff and look to someone influential to provide something that can vaguely justify it. It's not prudent to hold people responsible for the actions of others unless the actions are extremely serious, and it's practically certain that the person of influence is knowingly acting maliciously.

 

The implicit alternative is that you should be more cautious the larger of a megaphone you wield. It's quite different if you're talking to one person and saying something than if you are sending it out to millions of followers. I don't know that there's an enforceable solution, but this is generally why there are many layers of people checking say statements made by a politically prominent person or a CEO of a company. Of course, there are always some fun exceptions.

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Getting decent at makeup. It's to the point now, assuming the Dunning-Kreuger Effect isn't killing me now, that it doesn't actively look bad, and I feel decently confident going out in it.

 

Now I just need my voice and body to catch up. 5 months to HRT...

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I think my point still stands, anti-vaxxer girl is no more responsible for influencing parents to not vax than she would be responsible for stalkers and harassers harming her because she uses sex as a way to gain influence

That's a really false equivalence. Men harassing women is not a logical result of a woman being sexy. People not vaccinating their children is a logical result of people spreading misinformation about vaccinations.

 

If I told you that drinking cyanide would clear your skin, and as a result you decided to drink cyanide, that's what the latter argument is. If I told you I was trans and you then decided to commit a hate crime against me, that's what the former is. In one, I am advocating the action you take, in the other, I am not advocating the action you take. I can be held responsible for you taking action I advocate for, but not for you taking actions I don't advocate for.

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Today I played some League of Legends and wondered why I haven't retired from it yet. The community is insanely toxic and I really don't have fun -.-...

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It's also about cumulative effects. 1000 booty models saying vaccines are bad, or because our psychology sucks, even 100 booty models saying it 10 times each, results in a real influence on medical decisions.

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If we're keeping the anecdote on track, she's less "booty model" and more "fitness model". Most of her content is pro-organic nutrition and workouts. A model none-the-less.

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My landlady is going to replace the carpet with laminated hardwood. Yeeeeeeeah.

 

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I talked to my boss today about the possibility of telecommuting. He seemed cautiously receptive. Our last lead developer telecommuted and kind of spoiled it (she didn't work there for that long)  so I'm going to have to be above and beyond this year leading up to November/December. I told him I'd definitely be in on Monday mornings for our meetings and Fridays.

 

Since I'll be graduating in the fall I'm going to plan on having a job offer in hand so he matches. I'm willing to take less pay for flexibility while I'm in school but Raleigh and surrounding area is a lot pricier than NC (it'd easily be 2.5-3x my rent now within 20 minutes of downtown). I could probably go as low as $50K assuming my bro and I stick together (that'd be $80K/year which is plenty, and our tax burden would be lower since it's two incomes). He'd be able to commute though.

 

My plan for the year is to be on my way out of Fayetteville and on to Raleigh. Ideally I'd be in Raleigh by January, working 40-hours salaried at my job, and attending NC State. Within the next three to four years, ideally I'll be working at one of my "Big 3" (Epic, SAS, or Red Hat).

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