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@Nyosuht - whats the story behind your hormone profile?

 

But yeah it seems like you've adjusted pretty well and that its working out for you

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picking Texas Tech to the elite 8 in memory of long inactive but not forgotten OTer and Lubbock TX person Lenticular_J, last active 2011

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I listened to this a long time ago and thought it was interesting-- was curious how it compared to your experience w/ hormones

I have a hard time relating to most of that, actually. It just doesn't mesh.

 

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Yeah, alright. Let's do this.

 

First up:

  • You're getting my experiences, which may not be representative of anyone else's. I'm not going to claim to be typical, even for a trans woman, because my experiences are the only set I have.
  • I'm going to try limiting this to hormonal/mental discussion; like I said before, there's a lot to unpack and it isn't always clear what's directly related.
  • We've already talked about P4, and it's a fairly recent addition, so I don't have much to add.
  • I'm not a biohacker by trade, and I might not even be a good hobbyist, so don't take any of the technical stuff as gospel. It's there to provide context.
  • As far as I know, I've never had 0 T, and that's not a goal. The closest experience I've had is probably after I ran out of stuff before finding a doctor.
  • No doubt, some people thrive on T. I'm just not one of them.

Being on E2 and P4, I'm not experiencing "low T" in the same way those people were. T was ~525ng/dl a few years ago, it was ~125ng/dl around the start of the month, and I'm targeting 15~50ng/dl. Both P4 and E2 have an antigonadotropic effect, so my T should be lower now than it was at last check. I'm also on bicalutamide, so a good portion of my T can't really do much except undergo aromatization.

 

I started HRT by importing bicalutamide and EV tablets. I started the bica slowly to watch for obvious effects, and eventually ramped up, should have been almost total suppression. Maybe two weeks in, I added oral/buccal EV. At that time, I was mostly watching for physical effects (feminization and signs of hepatoxicity, mostly) and the usual signs of low sex hormones. I tweaked doses based on mental and physical state, because the labs I checked with won't do blood work without a doctor's order and I was unsupervised. Performance at work picked up. I could care enough to work on the house or cars. Overall mood improved. Self-care improved. Sex drive was nil to begin with, so no change there.

 

After a few months, my source was shut down. When they came back up, I bought what I could. Then they shut down for good. I stretched what I had, but eventually ran out. Low E2 and (apparently) reasonably suppressed T isn't a whole lot of fun; physical effects were a drag, and that takes a mental toll, but things got worse as T ramped back up. I couldn't focus on work, couldn't care about things at home. Nothing mattered. Facial hair started coming in on my cheeks and further down from my chin, new growth in places it hadn't been. Chest hair started coming in; not heavy for a guy, probably not even normal for a guy, but heavier than I was comfortable with. I watched my hairline thin. Dysphoria hit hard, and my body became a very difficult place to be. If I had any notions that maybe I should have been seeking T shots instead, they died here. I needed to go legit or find a new source.

There was a doctor who followed basically the regimen I'd worked up, but they were not available. I booked an appointment with another doctor in the Detroit area who would work on informed consent and got the paperwork out of the way. While we were waiting for a follow-up for labs, the center they were working out of had some funding issues and was forced to reject patients from out of town; including yours truly. They called in a 9-month supply of spironolactone and oral EV. Not my first choice of antiandrogen, but I took what I could get and went back to looking for a doctor. I was flying blind again, and dealing with side-effects from the spiro, but they were mostly physical and I was in a much better headspace in spite of them. Most notably, I was thirsty all the time, frequently dizzy when I stood up, and had crazy salt cravings; mental effects were similar to my first go.

 

I'd watched my weight creep up over the past several years, hitting ~235 pounds in the second half of last year. Being stable on spiro and oral/buccal EV, I finally found the motivation to do something about it. I'm around 190 now; the plan was to hit 180 and assess the near-term feasibility of 160. I'm 6'2" and carrying what's left of my farmboy physique, so I doubt I'll push much lower without non-negligible muscle loss. No big; the goal was cutting fat in male-typical distribution, and that's gone well.

 

 

I'm back on bica (likely not necessary), and just switched to IM EV, so here's to seeing what a decent E2 level does for me over time. So far, so good. I'm also under supervision, so regular labs can become a thing and I won't have to guess what's too high or too low based on how I feel or what I'm seeing. E2 was ~100pg/ml trough at the start of the month, targeting >300pg/ml trough. E1 wasn't tested, but is likely higher than necessary, because of first-pass metabolism on oral E2. Buccal administration helps, but it's still not ideal. E1 has a higher binding affinity than E2, but lower efficacy, so I want to avoid a high E1:E2 ratio. We'll see how that looks next time the vampires strike.

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@Nyosuht - whats the story behind your hormone profile?

 

But yeah it seems like you've adjusted pretty well and that its working out for you

Short version: I'm trans as shit.

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picking Texas Tech to the elite 8 in memory of long inactive but not forgotten OTer and Lubbock TX person Lenticular_J, last active 2011

4 years ago I jokingly started picking Gonzaga as champion because they had the funniest name. Now they're the #1 seed in their conference. I'm proud of my goofballs that I've never actually seen play.


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Leaving for Florida in a couple hours! So excited to see Muse on Sunday. They're my favorite band. :D

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A coworker's daughter threw a surprise birthday party today with a bunch of family and friends, and I was privileged with an invitation. Figured I'd show up, maybe sing (poorly), and call it a night. Instead, I had a great time with some people from work and some of the people in their lives, and I got to see them in a different light.

 

Another coworker showed up with her girlfriend, and we wound up outside for a smoke break. If there's a group smoke break, I'm in; conversation takes on a different tone, and it's usually good. Her girlfriend pulled me off to the side to stress that my coworker was not out at work and that I needed to not change that. I told her I understood and showed her a fairly femme selfie on my phone; it took a second or two to sink in, but it got the point across. We talked for a while, then my coworker joined us and we had a mutual coming out. Family got a little bigger today, and the closet just a little smaller.

 

 

Leaving for Florida in a couple hours! So excited to see Muse on Sunday. They're my favorite band. :D

Safe travels, and enjoy the show!

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Leaving for Florida in a couple hours! So excited to see Muse on Sunday. They're my favorite band. :D

If you stop by a Publix, chicken tender subs are on sale this week

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Has anybody else seen Us yet? Just saw it last night, curious what y'all think. I have kinda mixed feelings about it which feels a little sacrilegious to me rn because all my friends and the critics seemed to love it.

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I thought the film was pretty technically incredible. Definitely owed a lot to old kubrick movies like the Shining but redone in a modern light. A lot of the cinematography was just gorgeous (especially the boy with the car), the music was super intense, and there were tons of moments that just felt downright stressful / skin crawly without having to get so gorey that it distracted from the effect of it.

 

However, the actual plot left a lot to be desired. I feel like every time they tried to explain what was going on it seriously took away from the tension. The first scene where lead girl's clone started explaining what was going on in her gravelly voice was so cheesy to me that I started cracking up in the theater which I really don't feel like was the desired effect. I also found I really wasn't gripped by any explanation given about the "tethered" and kind of feel like it would have been more effective with less of an explanation of what was going on. Also the twist at the end was obvious from a mile away and presenting it like it was some huge reveal kind of cheapened a lot of the ending for me.

 

I think a lot of the thematic points were interesting with how the tethered versions of the characters seemed to emphasize faults / things that were lacking with the earthly versions of themselves. It kind of felt like a commentary about how everyone grapples with insecurity about the things that they aren't and past traumas and that it's something that can completely take over your life and takes a lot of effort and active fighting to be able to move past, and if you can't you're basically just walking around dead anyways. And I thought the ending scene with all the tethered shown all over the world showed that these kinds of struggles are really something universal that everybody has to deal with, not just this family.

 

I think I definitely enjoyed Get Out more though, as I thought it was a lot more thematically interesting and conversation provoking than Us, even if Us is a lot more thrilling than Get Out was. Its definitely more of a traditional horror movie though and is a very different experience. Peele had some really interesting ideas with the movie and I definitely enjoyed it, but I feel like he just had a problem stringing his ideas together without having to fall back on more generic plot devices (all the tethered mom's dialogue, the entire twist at the end, the scene where the mom runs into the woods for no reason, etc), and that the times that it did really detracted from the experience and broke the immersion for me. I still enjoyed the movie, but the problems make it fall short of being something really special to me.

 

 

 

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Wrote my coming out letter to my parents today.

Now to spend the next few weeks looking for resources for them and rewriting the letter 6 thousand times...

[hide=Depressive family stuff]I really don't think they'll take it well. They've taken a stance of "ignore anything our child does that's even a little bit queer, because they won't listen to our 'concerns' and will get angry at us for bringing it up." And, yeah, that's about what's happened. They don't talk about me being ace/aro, and just kind of awkwardly dance around any discussion of my (non-)romantic life. They steadfastly ignore my nail polish, my earrings, my hair, any piece of self expression. They just kind of pretend I'm still the boy they tried to raise. Except when they talk to other people. Apparently my dad regularly brings up how disappointed he is in me to my brother, who has to remind him that I'm doing really well compared to most of my peers.

 

Maybe some of it's my fault, because I don't want to put up with their crap. They don't have power they're willing to exercise over me anymore, so I'm not going to back down from who I am, and they know that. And it's either they don't talk about it, or I get angry and don't talk to them. I don't know a way to express myself in a way that they don't feel like they're being attacked, and they don't know how to push back without me feeling attacked. And, because I'm getting less out this relationship now, I have the power, so they compromise on not making me upset.

 

God, that sounded really manipulative. That's not the goal, I just want to be who I am. And because of their biases, my choice is either to do so unapologetically and accept no abuse for it, or to pretend to be someone else around them. I refuse to do the latter any more. I don't think that's manipulation, at least not in an abusive sense...

 

In any case, this isn't like coming out as ace. They can't just ignore it, can't just stop talking about some aspect of my life. Coming out as trans is going to require them to either refer to me as Tes, with all that entails, or to actively hurt me. And I'm probably not going to stick around if they aren't at least trying. So, I think this is going to be hard for them, and I don't know a way to make it easier without staying in the closet the rest of my life.[/hide]

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Chica, you got this.

 

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I really don't think they'll take it well.

Honestly, that's on them. You're offering a genuine connection, possibly for the first time, and how they respond to that says nothing at all about you. If they don't take it well, that's their problem (and, frankly, their loss).

 

They've taken a stance of "ignore anything our child does that's even a little bit queer, because they won't listen to our 'concerns' and will get angry at us for bringing it up." And, yeah, that's about what's happened. They don't talk about me being ace/aro, and just kind of awkwardly dance around any discussion of my (non-)romantic life. They steadfastly ignore my nail polish, my earrings, my hair, any piece of self expression. They just kind of pretend I'm still the boy they tried to raise. Except when they talk to other people. Apparently my dad regularly brings up how disappointed he is in me to my brother, who has to remind him that I'm doing really well compared to most of my peers.

They've got this idea of you, or of who they think you could have been, and they're doing an incredibly poor job of adjusting to reality. That's not on you, that's on their attachment to their own fantasies.

 

Pay special attention for focus-shifting, making it about them and how their ideal son being different from their actual daughter affects or hurts them. That's not what this conversation is for. If it comes, just know it's bullshit no matter how much it hurts in the moment. They might be hurting too, but it's a self-inflicted hurt in their case, and I have little sympathy.

 

I'm guessing dad isn't big on introspection, but it sounds like your brother is at least a little supportive. Any chance he's in a position to get your father to explore his feelings and their sources? Maybe you could, but I worry that it might lead to a blow-up, which would be pretty much the opposite of helpful.

 

Maybe some of it's my fault, because I don't want to put up with their crap.

Don't you dare, Tes. Not one damnable piece of this is your fault; don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Seriously, look at the reason you gave to suggest that it might be. They're bringing crap to the table, and it's not your crap to shovel. If they value the relationship, if they value you, they can do whatever self-work they need to do and start acting like it.

 

They don't have power they're willing to exercise over me anymore, so I'm not going to back down from who I am, and they know that. And it's either they don't talk about it, or I get angry and don't talk to them. I don't know a way to express myself in a way that they don't feel like they're being attacked, and they don't know how to push back without me feeling attacked. And, because I'm getting less out this relationship now, I have the power, so they compromise on not making me upset.

Being the parent of an adult is pretty different from being the parent of a child, and lots of people are better at one or the other. Some people really struggle with the transition, and it comes pretty naturally to others. The power dynamic shifts toward equality once you remove dependency, so don't feel like you have total control over it and don't feel bad for exercising the power you do have. It's not tyranny on your part, it's just a more balanced relationship.

 

You're still walking on eggshells to express [your]self in a way that they don't feel like they're being attacked, and you shouldn't have to. You're presenting truths about yourself and your experiences, and that alone cannot be an attack. Not ever. You're not imposing, so there's nothing for them to push back against. Don't expect that to stop them from trying, just know what's really happening when they do.

 

Relationships should, generally, benefit those involved. If it's not working that way, I say give them a chance to miss you. It sucks, especially when you're missing the support an adult should be able to count on from their parents, but at least you're not getting your hand slapped away for it.

 

God, that sounded really manipulative. That's not the goal, I just want to be who I am. And because of their biases, my choice is either to do so unapologetically and accept no abuse for it, or to pretend to be someone else around them. I refuse to do the latter any more. I don't think that's manipulation, at least not in an abusive sense...

Honestly, it doesn't.

 

I'd usually caution against all-or-nothing thinking, but the first option there really sounds like the way to go. Just be ready to sever the relationship if it comes to that; don't half-ass it and show them that you're actually okay with their continuing bullshit.

 

In any case, this isn't like coming out as ace. They can't just ignore it, can't just stop talking about some aspect of my life. Coming out as trans is going to require them to either refer to me as Tes, with all that entails, or to actively hurt me. And I'm probably not going to stick around if they aren't at least trying. So, I think this is going to be hard for them, and I don't know a way to make it easier without staying in the closet the rest of my life.

If they're not willing to have a relationship with you, to have a part in your real life, you're under no obligation to indulge their fantasies and give them the illusion of it.

 

Family is more than blood, and blood doesn't make a family. (If you're adopted, s/blood/legal filiation/ as appropriate)

 

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Maybe a little inappropriate, but are your parents narcissistic or high-conflict people in general?

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Good luck, Tess! Of my family, only my brother knows I'm non-binary. The rest will take it poorly at best. Hope it works out better for you!

 

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Chica, you got this.

 

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I really don't think they'll take it well.

Honestly, that's on them. You're offering a genuine connection, possibly for the first time, and how they respond to that says nothing at all about you. If they don't take it well, that's their problem (and, frankly, their loss).

 

They've taken a stance of "ignore anything our child does that's even a little bit queer, because they won't listen to our 'concerns' and will get angry at us for bringing it up." And, yeah, that's about what's happened. They don't talk about me being ace/aro, and just kind of awkwardly dance around any discussion of my (non-)romantic life. They steadfastly ignore my nail polish, my earrings, my hair, any piece of self expression. They just kind of pretend I'm still the boy they tried to raise. Except when they talk to other people. Apparently my dad regularly brings up how disappointed he is in me to my brother, who has to remind him that I'm doing really well compared to most of my peers.

They've got this idea of you, or of who they think you could have been, and they're doing an incredibly poor job of adjusting to reality. That's not on you, that's on their attachment to their own fantasies.

 

Pay special attention for focus-shifting, making it about them and how their ideal son being different from their actual daughter affects or hurts them. That's not what this conversation is for. If it comes, just know it's bullshit no matter how much it hurts in the moment. They might be hurting too, but it's a self-inflicted hurt in their case, and I have little sympathy.

 

I'm guessing dad isn't big on introspection, but it sounds like your brother is at least a little supportive. Any chance he's in a position to get your father to explore his feelings and their sources? Maybe you could, but I worry that it might lead to a blow-up, which would be pretty much the opposite of helpful.

 

Maybe some of it's my fault, because I don't want to put up with their crap.

Don't you dare, Tes. Not one damnable piece of this is your fault; don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Seriously, look at the reason you gave to suggest that it might be. They're bringing crap to the table, and it's not your crap to shovel. If they value the relationship, if they value you, they can do whatever self-work they need to do and start acting like it.

 

They don't have power they're willing to exercise over me anymore, so I'm not going to back down from who I am, and they know that. And it's either they don't talk about it, or I get angry and don't talk to them. I don't know a way to express myself in a way that they don't feel like they're being attacked, and they don't know how to push back without me feeling attacked. And, because I'm getting less out this relationship now, I have the power, so they compromise on not making me upset.

Being the parent of an adult is pretty different from being the parent of a child, and lots of people are better at one or the other. Some people really struggle with the transition, and it comes pretty naturally to others. The power dynamic shifts toward equality once you remove dependency, so don't feel like you have total control over it and don't feel bad for exercising the power you do have. It's not tyranny on your part, it's just a more balanced relationship.

 

You're still walking on eggshells to express [your]self in a way that they don't feel like they're being attacked, and you shouldn't have to. You're presenting truths about yourself and your experiences, and that alone cannot be an attack. Not ever. You're not imposing, so there's nothing for them to push back against. Don't expect that to stop them from trying, just know what's really happening when they do.

 

Relationships should, generally, benefit those involved. If it's not working that way, I say give them a chance to miss you. It sucks, especially when you're missing the support an adult should be able to count on from their parents, but at least you're not getting your hand slapped away for it.

 

God, that sounded really manipulative. That's not the goal, I just want to be who I am. And because of their biases, my choice is either to do so unapologetically and accept no abuse for it, or to pretend to be someone else around them. I refuse to do the latter any more. I don't think that's manipulation, at least not in an abusive sense...

Honestly, it doesn't.

 

I'd usually caution against all-or-nothing thinking, but the first option there really sounds like the way to go. Just be ready to sever the relationship if it comes to that; don't half-ass it and show them that you're actually okay with their continuing bullshit.

 

In any case, this isn't like coming out as ace. They can't just ignore it, can't just stop talking about some aspect of my life. Coming out as trans is going to require them to either refer to me as Tes, with all that entails, or to actively hurt me. And I'm probably not going to stick around if they aren't at least trying. So, I think this is going to be hard for them, and I don't know a way to make it easier without staying in the closet the rest of my life.

If they're not willing to have a relationship with you, to have a part in your real life, you're under no obligation to indulge their fantasies and give them the illusion of it.

 

Family is more than blood, and blood doesn't make a family. (If you're adopted, s/blood/legal filiation/ as appropriate)

 

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Yeah, most of this I agree with, and I know at least intellectually. My post was...a little melodramatic. Lots of emotions yesterday, writing that letter.

 

One way or the other, I'll be alright. We've been drifting apart for a long time, so if the worst happens, honestly, I'm more than prepared to sever ties with them. Just...sad to think about the Christmases I'll lose, that's all.

 

But thank you. I needed to hear all that again.

 

Good luck, Tess! Of my family, only my brother knows I'm non-binary. The rest will take it poorly at best. Hope it works out better for you!

Yeah, it really feels like it should be easier for enbies, especially if they don't plan on medically transitioning (which is not to comment on your situation, just was the case for the person I knew). But I've seen how it can go, and it's rough. I wish you luck in at least finding someone in your family who will support you. Or, finding another one that will, however it works out.
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NJ was supposed to vote on rec/decrim marijuana use today and pass but they canceled the vote last minute to try to acquire more support after November elections.

 

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Legislature is useless. If you want to get anything done, you've got to bypass them or be willing to ignore them and their goons.

 

Went to prep my bike today and it won't crank, just getting the relay click. At least it's warm enough to work on it.

Cables are a little rough, but I'm pretty sure they're original from '83, and I've seen worse. Battery is new last season and pushes ~13v.


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Pretty sure my starter is fried, although I don't know how. It worked fine last fall.

There's one on the parts bike, so whatever. Might as well see if I have better cables there while I'm into it.

 

EDIT: Yeah. Starter is done. I'm not even sure I could rebuild it. As long as the spare isn't too bad off, I'm still good.


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Cthulhu, risen.

 

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Serious respect, Veiva. I kind of feel bad that I haven't sat down and played with ItsyRealm, but I absolutely love seeing your posts about it.

 

Yeah, most of this I agree with, and I know at least intellectually. My post was...a little melodramatic. Lots of emotions yesterday, writing that letter.

 

One way or the other, I'll be alright. We've been drifting apart for a long time, so if the worst happens, honestly, I'm more than prepared to sever ties with them. Just...sad to think about the Christmases I'll lose, that's all.

 

But thank you. I needed to hear all that again.

I'm glad some of it was helpful, and sorry for the parts I missed on. My relationships with my parents haven't always been the greatest, so I know I sometimes project too much of my own history when other people have struggles.

If it's worth anything, I have an open door.


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Just to be the- to hell with that!

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In a state of tranquillity, wealth, and luxury, our descendants would forget the arts of war and the noble activity and zeal which made their ancestors invincible. ~Samuel Adams; 1 August, 1776
There are men, in all ages, who mean to exercise power usefully; but who mean to exercise it. They mean to govern well; but they mean to govern. They promise to be kind masters; but they mean to be masters. ~Daniel Webster; 15 March, 1837

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And make believe with you!

 

My last ban was for doing this, if a mod shows up I'm really gonna be in trouble lmao


My skin is finally getting soft
I'll scrub until the damn thing comes off

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