The Offical TIF American Elections thread

[anim7]

What the heck is up with all these names? At most it should be Obama, McCain and maybe Nader. None of these other candidates will EVER win the presidency. History has been rather unkind to third parties, let alone these other guys/girls.

[Adam007]

 

Everyone says they'll vote for Barack Obama, but i doubt he'll win. I said i'd vote for Barack Obama, but really in secret, if i was a legal adult, and could vote, i'd go off and vote for McCain.... :oops:

 

... Why?

[mrpez]

looks like most people like obama. although im not that excited about mccain, obama seems like the kind of guy that would get elected, mess everything up, then leave. like jimmy carter.

 

Or vote for McCain. He'll continue to mess everything up from the start, and refuse to leave.

 

 

 

at least he has political experience. i wouldnt trust obama if an emergency situation arose.

[sarg1010]

Obama all the way. (I've met him before too :thumbsup: )

 

 

 

[hide=the reason why, Don't click if you don't want to see my views.]Mcain's ads that say "Obama wants to raise taxes! and not drill oil off the coast!". Let's see, Obama wants to get out a war that is costing us millions of dollars, and possibly the reason for the oil problem. Then (I'm guessing) he WILL raise the taxes, but only to (possibly, maybe) help stabilize the economy. Mcain on the other hand, doesn't care if we STAY in the war, and then to make up the difference of the war causing the oil problem, create oil platforms off our coasts, because we don't have enough oil spills happening :roll:. An who knows, he will probably raise taxes too.[/hide]

[Cyco_Reborn]

Boston Tea Party!!! Cos i dont live in america!!!

[Evaluate]

Looks like I'm with the majority here. Obama definitely deserves it, just hope he doesn't get shot. We've been in Iraq long enough, we don't need to stay longer.

[Bobbington]

Wow...... thats quite a result.

 

 

 

 

 

Remembering though that this is a "world vote" and not an American one it does not mean all that much.....

 

 

 

I am english. but as a proud resident of planet earth I feel American politics are fairly important. I place my vote with Obama....

 

 

 

 

 

Lets face it it's either going to be McCain, or obama...... and I don't trust McCain one little bit!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I feel America and the world need difference, and that only lies with Obama, he may be a left winger, which is not something I would normally support, but he seems like a fair balanced man who will do the world proud.

[InkofDeath]

Canadian but I think Obama. And by the poll results I'm not the only one.

 

 

 

For varying reasons, mainly the policies that will affect Canadians in positive ways.

[jackattack]

Canadian but I think Obama. And by the poll results I'm not the only one.

 

 

 

For varying reasons, mainly the policies that will affect Canadians in positive ways.

 

 

 

renegotiating nafta could affect canada in negative ways.

[megakiller32]

Who was it that posted on a topic the "Time to start a'campaignin' " video? That was hilarious.

[kam42705]

The problem with Obama is the fact that he's VERY weak on foreign policy/security. He simply doesn't have the experience to succeed. However, Mccain's stance domestically isn't great either... This is a close one, but I'll lean towards Mccain here- Nader cost Gore the election, and he should just stop trying.... And the rest of them... well... most haven't heard of...

[Diesel]

In my opinion, it's a lose-lose situation for Americans. There isn't a good solid person running that I can connect with. I would vote McCain because I think he has more experience. Meh...Don't like either of 'em much though.

[Bufoman]

Well I have no intentions of voting for either of the main candidates, will either sit out the presidential election or vote for a third party candidate I actually believe in. Chuck Baldwin looks promising. I don't care for some of his defeatist outlooks on things though, like when he said we should not be the worlds police. I think we should be taking over the world by now, should have been doing it all along. Hell if it where up to me we would have annexed much of South America (numerous opertunity's during civil unrest such as revolutions, and terribly opressive and brutal governments that should of been replaced with our own) and Mexico a long time ago (Mexico pretty much lost at least one war with us, should of done it then).

 

 

 

But that's just me, quite possibly one of the last imperialists living in the world. At any rate I sure as hell don't trust our current government to do that right; they are squandering a wonderful opportunity in Iraq to secure that oil for our nations use. So I can't hold it against any one who say's we shouldnt be the worlds police, we just don't have the right mindset (or government for that matter) to do it right. Also since I brought it up I might as well let you know I am not like one of the Imperialists of old (who exploited other peoples), I believe in granting citizenship to the annexed and partitioning their lands into territorys, and then within 30 or so years making them into states with a voice in the government.

[Necromagus]

Who was it that posted on a topic the "Time to start a'campaignin' " video? That was hilarious.

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin

[Agunimon979]

I would vote Obama, Mccain is just "a repackaged version of George Bush" which is true. But alas, us overconfident americans would probably pick john mccain just because he's not black :(

[Oy_the_Great]

Is it not possible to split the poll into US voters and non-US (and underaged) people? Because I read that McCain has gained on Obama; in fact according to recent polls McCain woul win with a pretty significant difference compared to Obama. I'm sure that a large part of these votes are from non-Americans or underaged people, so the poll is pretty irrelevant.

 

 

 

As for me, Obama would have to drastically change his course to lose me as a supporter.

 

 

 

The problem with Obama is the fact that he's VERY weak on foreign policy/security. He simply doesn't have the experience to succeed. However, Mccain's stance domestically isn't great either...

 

I don't know if you know something about your former presidents, but charisma makes a great deal of difference, especially in foreign politics. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1944 I believe) was a president that wasn't particulary good in anything, except for talking and surrounding himself with the right people. Because of him, the US flourished and recovered from the bad blow caused by the stock market plummet in the late '20s. He even ruled for 3 succesful terms, a feat only Washington ever did before him.

 

Now Obama has great charisma, that's the least you can say, and he's very popular abroad, especially in Europe, and I'm sure in many other parts of the world as well. The US badly need the opposite of G.W. Bush Jr., as he's done a tremendous amount of damage PR-wise and economically seen in all parts of the world. With Obama (black, a democrat, open-minded, a listener,...) as the opposite, much of the hatred against the USA would fade away. I don't know if he's the best person to deal with the economical crisis, but nor was Roosevelt, and yet he dealt with it, thanks to his 'brain trust', which were all of his advisors. Because Obama is known to be a listener, someone who does not act without carefully thinking everything over, I think that he may be fully capable of restoring the economical balance with a little help of well-picked advisors.

[jackattack]

^^ Washington only served two terms. He was the one who set the precedent for it. Roosevelt is the only President to ignore it and go for reelection again. After him they made it a law that you can't serve more than 2 terms.

[Oy_the_Great]

^^ Washington only served two terms. He was the one who set the precedent for it. Roosevelt is the only President to ignore it and go for reelection again. After him they made it a law that you can't serve more than 2 terms.

 

 

 

Oh, my bad, I really thought he served 12 years.

[Foooman]

It made me die a little bit when Ron Paul chose to focus on his reelection in the house. He was by far my favorite candidate. Now, I'll just be voting for Obama to prevent McCain from getting into office. I agree with most of Obamas policies, it's just Ron Paul seemed more like a citizen and not a politician.

[kam42705]

Not to mention Obama's stance on healthcare- it is IMPOSSIBLE to offer every American free healthcare. Look at Britain, and tell me how it went there. The only way it can be offered in in tiers- one may pay a higher tax to get better benefits, and the funds are placed into a national pool from which insurers may withdraw from. This would lower the effect on individual consumers, but, of course, this MUST be limited to tax-payers....

[megakiller32]

Not to mention Obama's stance on healthcare- it is IMPOSSIBLE to offer every American free healthcare. Look at Britain, and tell me how it went there.

 

 

 

Actually our healthcare is fine, some people choose to go private because it's better. That doesn't mean the free healthcare is crap though.

 

Everyone gets a free GP, and it's working. So you know, research, proof and facts is generally good to back up things you say. :|

[dsavi]

Not to mention Obama's stance on healthcare- it is IMPOSSIBLE to offer every American free healthcare.

 

It is entirely possible, if they did it the way Finland does it. I don't know the way Obama is wanting to do it, though.

[Lenticular_J]

Half of the people in this thread obviously don't know [cabbage] about either of their policies. But, to sum up, McCain is well-experienced, particularly on security and foreign policy. I'm also fairly certain he'd choose a VP good with economics and more domestic things.

 

 

 

Obama, on the other hand, is much the opposite. He's a good people person as well. He'd have a better shot at helping out the economy without a vice president. But if Russia make an aggressor move, we'd have to hope his VP is good.

 

 

 

I figure Obama will win. Of course, it won't matter for too many years; most Democrats and Republicans are quite similar in policies and such these days.

[Bobbington]

Not to mention Obama's stance on healthcare- it is IMPOSSIBLE to offer every American free healthcare. Look at Britain, and tell me how it went there.

 

 

 

Actually our healthcare is fine, some people choose to go private because it's better. That doesn't mean the free healthcare is crap though.

 

Everyone gets a free GP, and it's working. So you know, research, proof and facts is generally good to back up things you say. :|

 

 

 

 

 

Yes the British health service is great! America could take on a model built on the same system for probaly under 20 bill. The main issues of the health service is 11 years of a left wing political party running it full of nannying bureaucrats who don't let doctors work so they can fill in paperwork telling said bureaucrats how hard they aren't working (because they have no time left).

 

 

 

Get a right wing party with left wing aims in power and we are sorted! (and I DON'T mean centralist..........)

[cryztalwing]

It made me die a little bit when Ron Paul chose to focus on his reelection in the house. He was by far my favorite candidate. Now, I'll just be voting for Obama to prevent McCain from getting into office. I agree with most of Obamas policies, it's just Ron Paul seemed more like a citizen and not a politician.

 

 

 

Ron Paul is now focusing on his Campaign for Liberty. I voted for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution party in the poll

 

 

 

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/