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First off, please don't let this turn into a flame-fest! I don't want this topic locked.

 

 

 

 

 

Anybody who has been to school after the year 1990 has undoubtedly been bombarded with anti drug programs. But have any of these programs actually succeeded? Or are the states throwing their money away?

 

 

 

I was introduced to my first anti-drug program in 5th grade. It was a program named DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance Education). The message was very simple. Perhaps too simple. Alcohol = Bad. Cigarettes = Bad.

 

 

 

Now this isn't a bad thing to tell students, but there is a major flaw with it. Alcohol is not bad. Drinking alcoholic beverages is a perfectly acceptable practice in moderation. And that is the problem. By telling children alcohol is bad, and that is all there is to it, it confuses them. They see their parents drinking a beer, and wonder why it is acceptable for them. What the government doesn't realize is they're actually doing more harm than good.

 

What they're doing is enforcing the idea that alcohol is only used to get drunk.

 

 

 

Let's look at Italy, shall we? Children in their teen years, and even younger, drink wine with their parents. And it is accepted. If a child went to a good friend's house, and told his parents he had a glass of wine, his parents would most likely be perfectly fine with it. But if that happened in the US, the parents would ground the child, reenforcing the idea that alcohol is used solely for getting drunk.

 

 

 

 

 

In 7th grade I was introduced to my first anti-drug program that dealt with more than just alcohol and cigarettes. They told us that despite our beliefs, only around 30% of students our age had smoked marijuana in the last month. Now I was amazed by this statistic! 30%? That was 3 out of 10 people in every row of desks in every classroom in the school. They then proceed to tell us about how "addicting" marijuana is, and how much it ruins people's lives because it is so "horrible". But this lead me to wonder "Why would 30% of people use it if it were this bad? I don't see a third of the population ending up in rehab or living on the streets." So I did my own research.

 

 

 

I read about how marijuana isn't addictive. Just the feeling of being high is. It isn't any more addictive than chocolate. Most smokers have nearly no withdrawal symptoms if they quit. Marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, despite what the school's lies tell us. The entire concept of a "gateway drug" is flawed. It just doesn't work. Marijuana doesn't cause cancer, despite what the lies told us. Marijuana doesn't cause you to be depressed, or not care about the future. The THC from marijuana left in your fat cells for days after smoking does not harm your cells in anyway (that includes brain cells, liver cells, etc.). Everything I had been taught for over a year was a lie. I researched multiple sites, to be sure of what I had read on my own.

 

 

 

Whereas I never would have previously considered smoking pot simply because of the fact that I assumed it was "bad", I knew that it isn't "bad" at all. When I first tried the drug in ninth grade, it was a wonderful experience. And as I expected, I was not in any way drawn back to the substance. I didn't try it again for nearly a year when I just happened to be at a friends house, and he has some on him. It wasn't addicting. I didn't become "stupid" after smoking. I didn't suffer short term memory loss over the ensuing days, weeks or months. I didn't experience any kidney failure. Most surprisingly, I didn't even develop cancer as a result.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So. What is your opinion on why school anti-drug programs have failed so badly?

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They don't work because they use scare tactics instead of giving actual information.

 

 

 

Look at it this way.

 

 

 

Marijuana is both bad and good.

 

 

 

If you're just chilling with a few friends, thinking about life, existence, etc, etc, then it's good.

 

 

 

If you're getting high and you end up falling over and breaking your arm, then its bad.

 

 

 

BUT, they only tell you about the second scenario.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think its a coincidence that alcohol and tobacco, the two drugs that do pretty much nothing to your way of thinking, are the legal ones, yet ones such as marijuana, shrooms, LSD, DMT etc, (which have also been proven to be less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco) and which change your way of thinking and make you realise why you think the thoughts you do, and just why and how you're being manipulated everyday to do and say certain things, are the illegal ones....?

 

 

 

To me, it seems pretty goddamn obvious.

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I don't see what the problem is.

 

 

 

They are a complete waste of money, because if you're stupid enough to get into these things then you can't be helped.

 

 

 

Lmao.

 

 

 

When you go to a bar and you see people drinking and relaxing with friends, do you think "man, these guys are beyond help."

 

 

 

What's the difference between a group of people who drink and a group of people who do weed? If anything, people who blaze are safer. Alcohol is much more dangerous and if you don't believe me you can check pretty much any survey which looks into it.

 

 

 

There are two reasons why marijuana is illegal.

 

 

 

1. The government dislikes anyone who questions their motives and marijuana is a drug that makes you more likely to question their motives. So, they introduce a system of scare tactics and indoctrinate the childrens' minds with it.

 

 

 

2. Those children grow up, carry the ignorance, and infect their children with it.

 

 

 

Quit spreadin the stigma man.

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When you go to a bar and you see people drinking and relaxing with friends, do you think "man, these guys are beyond help."

 

 

 

Anti drug commercials don't protest anti beer, they protest anti marijuana which is heavily addicting

 

 

 

I suggest you read any scientific studies done on marijuana, because I think you'll find you've been misinformed.

 

 

 

It isn't addicting, alcohol is.

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Anybody who has been to school after the year 1990 has undoubtedly been bombarded with anti drug programs. But have any of these programs actually succeeded? Or are the states throwing their money away?

 

 

 

I was introduced to my first anti-drug program in 5th grade. It was a program named DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance Education). The message was very simple. Perhaps too simple. Alcohol = Bad. Cigarettes = Bad.

 

 

 

Now this isn't a bad thing to tell students, but there is a major flaw with it. Alcohol is not bad. Drinking alcoholic beverages is a perfectly acceptable practice in moderation. And that is the problem. By telling children alcohol is bad, and that is all there is to it, it confuses them. They see their parents drinking a beer, and wonder why it is acceptable for them. What the government doesn't realize is they're actually doing more harm than good.

 

What they're doing is enforcing the idea that alcohol is only used to get drunk.

 

 

 

Let's look at Italy, shall we? Children in their teen years, and even younger, drink wine with their parents. And it is accepted. If a child went to a good friend's house, and told his parents he had a glass of wine, his parents would most likely be perfectly fine with it. But if that happened in the US, the parents would ground the child, reenforcing the idea that alcohol is used solely for getting drunk.

 

 

 

 

 

In 7th grade I was introduced to my first anti-drug program that dealt with more than just alcohol and cigarettes. They told us that despite our beliefs, only around 30% of students our age had smoked marijuana in the last month. Now I was amazed by this statistic! 30%? That was 3 out of 10 people in every row of desks in every classroom in the school. They then proceed to tell us about how "addicting" marijuana is, and how much it ruins people's lives because it is so "horrible". But this lead me to wonder "Why would 30% of people use it if it were this bad? I don't see a third of the population ending up in rehab or living on the streets." So I did my own research.

 

 

 

I read about how the drug it's self isn't addicting. Just the feeling of being high is. It isn't any more addictive than chocolate. Most smokers have nearly no withdrawal symptoms if they quit. Marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, despite what the school's lies tell us. The entire concept of a "gateway drug" is flawed. It just doesn't work. Marijuana doesn't cause cancer, despite what the lies told us. Marijuana doesn't cause you to be depressed, or not care about the future. The THC from marijuana left in your fat cells for days after smoking does not harm your cells in anyway (that includes brain cells, liver cells, etc.). Everything I had been taught for over a year was a lie. I researched multiple sites, to be sure of what I had read on my own.

 

 

 

Whereas I never would have previously considered smoking pot simply because of the fact that I assumed it was "bad", I knew that it isn't "bad" at all. When I first tried the drug in ninth grade, it was a wonderful experience. And as I expected, I was not in any way drawn back to the substance. I didn't try it again for nearly a year when I just happened to be at a friends house, and he has some on him. It wasn't addicting. I didn't become "stupid" after smoking. I didn't suffer short term memory loss over the ensuing days, weeks or months. I didn't experience any kidney failure. Most surprisingly, I didn't even develop cancer as a result.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So. What is your opinion on why school anti-drug programs have failed so badly?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*whistles for the boys in white to come take you to the big house because your whole post just redefined the word FAIL*

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*whistles for the boys in white to come take you to the big house because your whole post just redefined the word FAIL*

 

 

 

*whistles for the fascist government machine to just take over now because people like you will support them no matter what, as long as you get to live your pretty little ignorant lives and continue to enjoy throwing people into the gutter and offering them no way out.

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*facepalm* so it's ok if i drink 1 bottle of beer get drunk and kick the crap out my wife because i can't hold my booze? way to go genius!

 

 

 

just because candy rose can drink 10 bottles of beer no sweat doesn't mean that billy bob can!

 

 

 

 

 

if your drinking with friends and you [wagons] rape someone you will still go to jail even if it was the alcohol that affected you

 

 

 

they really want you to see the affects of booze on the people around you so stop thinking of your fricking self moron!

 

 

 

 

 

okay if you down a couple beers you could seriously hurt someone's feelings because when your drunk you tend to spill your guts.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

marijuana

 

 

 

i am not even going to touch this, the dangers of smoking this stuff once a day just once! could ruin your life [wagon] why do you think we have lungs! because we NEED them, i bolded and put it in color for you, when you smoke your damaging your lungs and the lungs of others and your making the quality of life crappy for everyone around you who has to inhale your shtick!

 

 

 

i haven't even touched road fatalities or the other effects of drugs and i don't think you want me too

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I've also had an encounter with DARE in the 5th grade. At the time, I was so sure that I'd never touch drugs in my life. I guess the fear they tried to instill into me has worn out - I grew up and I think for myself now.

 

 

 

My motto: You only live once.

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When you go to a bar and you see people drinking and relaxing with friends, do you think "man, these guys are beyond help."

 

 

 

Anti drug commercials don't protest anti beer, they protest anti marijuana which is heavily addicting

 

 

 

You didn't read the entire post, did you?

 

 

 

Sir. I suggest you read each and every one of these links:

 

 

 

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_you_get_a ... _marijuana

 

 

 

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... yth9.shtml

 

 

 

http://addiction-dirkh.blogspot.com/200 ... ctive.html

 

 

 

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

 

 

 

http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html

 

 

 

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... myth.shtml

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*whistles for the boys in white to come take you to the big house because your whole post just redefined the word FAIL*

 

 

 

Oh yes, because rescearching multiple sites before making a topic plus actually giving us a good start to debate something is fail. [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

Seriously, don't use the "FAIL" card unless there is actually failure involved.

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marijuana

 

 

 

i am not even going to touch this, the dangers of smoking this stuff once a day just once! could ruin your life [wagon] why do you think we have lungs! because we NEED them, i bolded and put it in color for you, when you smoke your damaging your lungs and the lungs of others and your making the quality of life crappy for everyone around you who has to inhale your shtick!

 

 

 

i haven't even touched road fatalities or the other effects of drugs and i don't think you want me too

 

 

 

 

 

I can tell you right now beyond a resonable doubt in my mind that I breathe in more smoke every time I go camping than I have my entire life from marijuana smoke.

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*facepalm* so it's ok if i drink 1 bottle of beer get drunk and kick the crap out my wife because i can't hold my booze? way to go genius!

 

 

 

just because candy rose can drink 10 bottles of beer no sweat doesn't mean that billy bob can!

 

 

 

 

 

if your drinking with friends and you [wagons] rape someone you will still go to jail even if it was the alcohol that affected you

 

 

 

they really want you to see the affects of booze on the people around you so stop thinking of your fricking self moron!

 

 

 

 

 

okay if you down a couple beers you could seriously hurt someone's feelings because when your drunk you tend to spill your guts.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

marijuana

 

 

 

i am not even going to touch this, the dangers of smoking this stuff once a day just once! could ruin your life [wagon] why do you think we have lungs! because we NEED them, i bolded and put it in color for you, when you smoke your damaging your lungs and the lungs of others and your making the quality of life crappy for everyone around you who has to inhale your shtick!

 

 

 

i haven't even touched road fatalities or the other effects of drugs and i don't think you want me too

 

 

 

The guy makes a topic on drugs that isn't negative, and actually discusses how we can improve our system of education, yet you imply that he's insane and needs locking up..

 

 

 

You're the one that's insane ffs. You have the consensus, the politicians, and the soccer moms on your side, but not reason. Reason will never side with you because you're IRRATIONAL by nature. You, the manipulated idiots, continue to enslave yourselves, but it doesn't matter, because you don't know it and you think you're so "free". Others however, want to change the way they think, and want to enjoy themselves without having to damage their bodies by taking alcohol. So they choose to take safer drugs. Yet people like you, can't just let them do it, because you must protest anything that doesn't fit into your neat little idea of what life should and shouldn't be. You make me sick.

 

 

 

Bad things can happen on alcohol, and they happen on weed too. Bad things can happen on anything. Aeroplanes are a good example.

 

 

 

Just stfu and let people live their lives the way they want to. IF they harm others, punish them. If they don't, what's the problem?

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*whistles for the boys in white to come take you to the big house because your whole post just redefined the word FAIL*

 

 

 

Oh yes, because rescearching multiple sites before making a topic plus actually giving us a good start to debate something is fail. [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

Seriously, don't use the "FAIL" card unless there is actually failure involved.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually there is plenty of evidence that the anti-drug campaigns don't work. If anything they cause people to become more inclined to try drugs. I define fail as not working. If you have a plan to stop the Russians from nuking the US, and they nuke the US anyway, I would define that as failure.

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*facepalm* so it's ok if i drink 1 bottle of beer get drunk and kick the crap out my wife because i can't hold my booze? way to go genius!

 

 

 

just because candy rose can drink 10 bottles of beer no sweat doesn't mean that billy bob can!

 

 

 

 

 

if your drinking with friends and you [wagons] rape someone you will still go to jail even if it was the alcohol that affected you

 

 

 

they really want you to see the affects of booze on the people around you so stop thinking of your fricking self moron!

 

 

 

 

 

okay if you down a couple beers you could seriously hurt someone's feelings because when your drunk you tend to spill your guts.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

marijuana

 

 

 

i am not even going to touch this, the dangers of smoking this stuff once a day just once! could ruin your life [wagon] why do you think we have lungs! because we NEED them, i bolded and put it in color for you, when you smoke your damaging your lungs and the lungs of others and your making the quality of life crappy for everyone around you who has to inhale your shtick!

 

 

 

i haven't even touched road fatalities or the other effects of drugs and i don't think you want me too

 

 

 

The guy makes a topic on drugs that isn't negative, and actually discusses how we can improve our system of education, yet you imply that he's insane and needs locking up..

 

 

 

You're the one that's insane ffs. You have the consensus, the politicians, and the soccer moms on your side, but not reason. Reason will never side with you because you're IRRATIONAL by nature. You, the manipulated idiots, continue to enslave yourselves, but it doesn't matter, because you don't know it and you think you're so "free". Others however, want to change the way they think, and want to enjoy themselves without having to damage their bodies by taking alcohol. So they choose to take safer drugs. Yet people like you, can't just let them do it, because you must protest anything that doesn't fit into your neat little idea of what life should and shouldn't be. You make me sick.

 

 

 

Bad things can happen on alcohol, and they happen on weed too. Bad things can happen on anything. Aeroplanes are a good example.

 

 

 

Just stfu and let people live their lives the way they want to. IF they harm others, punish them. If they don't, what's the problem?

 

 

 

 

 

you ignored every single point in my post and bashed me when i never bashed you ffs take his meatrod out of your mouth and think about yourself for once, there are no "safe drugs", your harming yourself and your lungs by smoking and if you want kill yourself go ahead but when other people inhale your smoke theyre lungs are getting worse to thanks you!, i don't give a shtick if you inhale more smoke from your city/area because your actually making yourself die quicker because smoke in your city and smoke from drugs=worse lungs for you in the next 40 years than if you never smoked at all and lastly

 

 

 

Take his meatrod out of your mouth

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*facepalm* so it's ok if i drink 1 bottle of beer get drunk and kick the crap out my wife because i can't hold my booze? way to go genius!

 

 

 

just because candy rose can drink 10 bottles of beer no sweat doesn't mean that billy bob can!

 

 

 

 

 

if your drinking with friends and you [wagons] rape someone you will still go to jail even if it was the alcohol that affected you

 

 

 

they really want you to see the affects of booze on the people around you so stop thinking of your fricking self moron!

 

 

 

 

 

okay if you down a couple beers you could seriously hurt someone's feelings because when your drunk you tend to spill your guts.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

marijuana

 

 

 

i am not even going to touch this, the dangers of smoking this stuff once a day just once! could ruin your life [wagon] why do you think we have lungs! because we NEED them, i bolded and put it in color for you, when you smoke your damaging your lungs and the lungs of others and your making the quality of life crappy for everyone around you who has to inhale your shtick!

 

 

 

i haven't even touched road fatalities or the other effects of drugs and i don't think you want me too

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How old are you, 12? Or are you just a semi-good troll? If it is the latter, 1/10.

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Take his meatrod out of your mouth

 

 

 

WOW.

 

 

 

This is the best way to win any argument with 16-30 year olds.

 

 

 

:wall:

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So, what is 1.111... equal to?

10/9.

 

Please don't continue.

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you ignored every single point in my post and bashed me when i never bashed you ffs take his meatrod out of your mouth and think about yourself for once, there are no "safe drugs", your harming yourself and your lungs by smoking and if you want kill yourself go ahead but when other people inhale your smoke theyre lungs are getting worse to thanks you!, i don't give a shtick if you inhale more smoke from your city/area because your actually making yourself die quicker because smoke in your city and smoke from drugs=worse lungs for you in the next 40 years than if you never smoked at all and lastly

 

 

 

Take his meatrod out of your mouth

 

 

 

I didn't answer your points because they don't even warrant answers.

 

 

 

But okay, let's go.

 

 

 

1. Bad things can happen on alcohol, and weed, and any drug. BUT THE SAME GOES FOR ANYTHING. Going on an aeroplane, skydiving, going scuba-diving, surfing, skateboarding, list is endless really. The question is, do the pros outweigh the cons. And for marijuana, they do.

 

 

 

2. Marijuana isn't physically addictive.

 

 

 

3. Generally, if you're at a marijuana party, you won't mind inhaling other peoples' smoke. Such is the nature of a marijuana party. In Amsterdam you can't smoke marijuana in public etc, but you can smoke it in coffee shops because everyone is there to get high in the first place. Unless, I've been misinformed, and all those people smoking marijuana actually don't want to. [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

4. His "meatrod" (if your thing looks anything like meat, or a rod for that matter, you might want to get that checked out somewhere.) is not in my mouth. However, the governments metaphorical "meatrod" of control, is very much penetrating you from behind. Yes, the anal imagery was necessary.

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*facepalm* so it's ok if i drink 1 bottle of beer get drunk and kick the crap out my wife because i can't hold my booze? way to go genius!

 

 

 

just because candy rose can drink 10 bottles of beer no sweat doesn't mean that billy bob can!

 

 

 

 

 

if your drinking with friends and you [wagons] rape someone you will still go to jail even if it was the alcohol that affected you

 

 

 

they really want you to see the affects of booze on the people around you so stop thinking of your fricking self moron!

 

 

 

 

 

okay if you down a couple beers you could seriously hurt someone's feelings because when your drunk you tend to spill your guts.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

marijuana

 

 

 

i am not even going to touch this, the dangers of smoking this stuff once a day just once! could ruin your life [wagon] why do you think we have lungs! because we NEED them, i bolded and put it in color for you, when you smoke your damaging your lungs and the lungs of others and your making the quality of life crappy for everyone around you who has to inhale your shtick!

 

 

 

i haven't even touched road fatalities or the other effects of drugs and i don't think you want me too

 

 

 

The guy makes a topic on drugs that isn't negative, and actually discusses how we can improve our system of education, yet you imply that he's insane and needs locking up..

 

 

 

You're the one that's insane ffs. You have the consensus, the politicians, and the soccer moms on your side, but not reason. Reason will never side with you because you're IRRATIONAL by nature. You, the manipulated idiots, continue to enslave yourselves, but it doesn't matter, because you don't know it and you think you're so "free". Others however, want to change the way they think, and want to enjoy themselves without having to damage their bodies by taking alcohol. So they choose to take safer drugs. Yet people like you, can't just let them do it, because you must protest anything that doesn't fit into your neat little idea of what life should and shouldn't be. You make me sick.

 

 

 

Bad things can happen on alcohol, and they happen on weed too. Bad things can happen on anything. Aeroplanes are a good example.

 

 

 

Just stfu and let people live their lives the way they want to. IF they harm others, punish them. If they don't, what's the problem?

 

 

 

 

 

you ignored every single point in my post and bashed me when i never bashed you ffs take his meatrod out of your mouth and think about yourself for once, there are no "safe drugs", your harming yourself and your lungs by smoking and if you want kill yourself go ahead but when other people inhale your smoke theyre lungs are getting worse to thanks you!, i don't give a shtick if you inhale more smoke from your city/area because your actually making yourself die quicker because smoke in your city and smoke from drugs=worse lungs for you in the next 40 years than if you never smoked at all and lastly

 

 

 

Take his meatrod out of your mouth

 

 

 

Your point is completely invalid. And you want to know why? It is because of this.

 

 

 

Microwaves are bad for you.

 

Splenda is bad for you.

 

Television is bad for you.

 

Looking at the sun is bad for you.

 

Second hand smoke is bad for you.

 

Skipping breakfast is bad for you.

 

Excessive running is bad for you.

 

Listening to music through in-ear headphones is bad for you.

 

Drinking cough syrup is bad for you.

 

Consuming Advil is bad for you.

 

The smell of new car is bad for you.

 

The house next door being tented for insects is bad for you.

 

Holding your sneezes in is bad for you.

 

The mercury in the fish you ate for dinner last week if bad for you.

 

Shall I go on?

 

 

 

So many things in this world are bad for you, you don't even realize it. Condemning marijuana because it is "bad for you" is stupid beyond belief. I could go on and on for pages about all the things people do that is bad for them. Yet people still do it.

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Expanding on what Thomas said: There's no way to live a completely risk-free life. Now when we're talking drugs such as meth or heroin, the case is different because those are in the same range of danger as cutting yourself or hitting your head on the wall purposely. Marijuana is like J-walking when you don't see any cars around.

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I don't see what the problem is.

 

 

 

They are a complete waste of money, because if you're stupid enough to get into these things then you can't be helped.

 

 

 

Lmao.

 

 

 

When you go to a bar and you see people drinking and relaxing with friends, do you think "man, these guys are beyond help."

 

 

 

What's the difference between a group of people who drink and a group of people who do weed? If anything, people who blaze are safer. Alcohol is much more dangerous and if you don't believe me you can check pretty much any survey which looks into it.

 

 

 

There are two reasons why marijuana is illegal.

 

 

 

1. The government dislikes anyone who questions their motives and marijuana is a drug that makes you more likely to question their motives. So, they introduce a system of scare tactics and indoctrinate the childrens' minds with it.

 

 

 

2. Those children grow up, carry the ignorance, and infect their children with it.

 

 

 

Quit spreadin the stigma man.

 

 

 

 

 

Marijuana should be gone simply because it's illegal and not worth the risk.

 

 

 

As for drinking, if you moderate, and know what you're doing, it's fine. But too many people don't know what they're doing.

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