State of actual runescape players and goals...

[Nightsword]

I thought it would be a interesting topic to discuss. I started playing rs in feb/march of 2001. It was back when you could pk anywhere in runescape +/- 3 levels of yourself(i think it was). The community itself was MUCH smaller and everyone basically knew everyone. It was all about pking and a race to highest levels. If you attacked someone you would get a skull and would lose all items, if you didnt have one you would keep 3 best items.

 

 

 

There wasnt a big seperation in the whole community. You didnt have "skillers" who hated on the pkers, and vice versa. Why is it such a big deal now a days? Why do skillers hate people who liked to pk and put them down, and vice versa? When did the community actually change like this? And was some of it due to jagex themselves?

[Kenneh]

Ok, im a skiller of sorts but i don't hate pkers, infact i'm an ex pker myself. Skillers never realised untill pkin was gone how much of a skilling market is targeted at pvp. Bring back pvp and you bring back the hate but you also bring back a proper working economy.

[Nightsword]

Ok, im a skiller of sorts but i don't hate pkers, infact i'm an ex pker myself. Skillers never realised untill pkin was gone how much of a skilling market is targeted at pvp. Bring back pvp and you bring back the hate but you also bring back a proper working economy.

 

 

 

Exactly, most skillers dont get that. When and if PVP comes back, prices of all foods,armor,potions etc WILL go up, maybe by a lot.

[Laura]

Skillers and PK'ers are similar, but are slightly comparable to two races or cultures. They have the same capabilities, yet do things different in certain ways. Which led to separation, which led to "Why don't you train attack", "Why don't you train WC'ing", which eventually led to a big'ole bandwagon.

[Nightsword]

Skillers and PK'ers are similar, but are slightly comparable to two races or cultures. They have the same capabilities, yet do things different in certain ways. Which led to separation, which led to "Why don't you train attack", "Why don't you train WC'ing", which eventually led to a big'ole bandwagon.

 

 

 

Haha, sounds about right to me. Although I do think jagex is partly to blame for the seperation too.

[Melos]

I'm a skiller as well, and I actually like it when there were pkers. I'm actually getting myself ready to pk to some degree :).

[Kietaro1]

While a skiller at heart, I would not say that there is a dislike for pkers, instead a dislike the attitude that many pkers have. I have worked hard for my levels, and earned every bit of cash I have ever had. When I see those that mindlessly click on monsters to increase their combat stats, I am disappointed. Anyone can do that and yet many pkers feel as though they deserve what they earn from a kill. Honestly I fail to see the allure that killing a balanced character with a pure has in that to me there is no challenge. When I recently went from 80 cooking to 99 with a 2m profit, it was engaging and held a challenge. Then there are those that have spent hours leveling just 2 or 3 combat stats who gank people for ther hard earned cash?

 

 

 

The upside is I never 'had' to go into the Wilderness. As a result pkers have had little effect on me. I do not sell pots that i make, I do not buy ores for smithing, I do not buy seconds for herblore or summoning so in a sense I am an independant player that has little effect on the community in game as far as material usage/provision(outside the game i try to be as helpful as I can though).

 

 

 

With the inclusion of BH and Clan Wars we see a bit of pking as it should be. Pking should be for the pleasure of being able to outplay another player much like Guild Wars or World of Warcraft, not motivated by drops. Unfortunately Runescape is not really built for personalized combat (kind of the reason runescape and skilling are more of my attempt at relaxing) but the recent additions are giving to pking what I have wanted all along, the opportunity to kill another player for the joy of being able to do so, no strings attached.

[Kenneh]

Woot long live skiller killers!

[psvstef]

Skillers and PK'ers are similar, but are slightly comparable to two races or cultures. They have the same capabilities, yet do things different in certain ways. Which led to separation, which led to "Why don't you train attack", "Why don't you train WC'ing", which eventually led to a big'ole bandwagon.

 

 

 

Qft

 

:thumbup:

[Nightsword]

While a skiller at heart, I would not say that there is a dislike for pkers, instead a dislike the attitude that many pkers have. I have worked hard for my levels, and earned every bit of cash I have ever had. When I see those that mindlessly click on monsters to increase their combat stats, I am disappointed. Anyone can do that and yet many pkers feel as though they deserve what they earn from a kill. Honestly I fail to see the allure that killing a balanced character with a pure has in that to me there is no challenge. When I recently went from 80 cooking to 99 with a 2m profit, it was engaging and held a challenge. Then there are those that have spent hours leveling just 2 or 3 combat stats who gank people for ther hard earned cash?

 

 

 

The upside is I never 'had' to go into the Wilderness. As a result pkers have had little effect on me. I do not sell pots that i make, I do not buy ores for smithing, I do not buy seconds for herblore or summoning so in a sense I am an independant player that has little effect on the community in game as far as material usage/provision(outside the game i try to be as helpful as I can though).

 

 

 

With the inclusion of BH and Clan Wars we see a bit of pking as it should be. Pking should be for the pleasure of being able to outplay another player much like Guild Wars or World of Warcraft, not motivated by drops. Unfortunately Runescape is not really built for personalized combat (kind of the reason runescape and skilling are more of my attempt at relaxing) but the recent additions are giving to pking what I have wanted all along, the opportunity to kill another player for the joy of being able to do so, no strings attached.

 

 

 

Sorry man but thats about the dumbest thing i have ever heard. You are dissapointed at people "mindlessly clicking" to level up their combat stats. What exactly where you doing when mining/smithing/ doing any skill..?

 

 

 

And gank people for their hard earned cash? People knew what they were getting into going into the wild. People know what they are getting into when going into BH, and people will know what they are getting into in the new PVP worlds. So if they cant afford to lose that hard earned cash, then dont risk it. Thats the whole fun of pking is risk vs reward. the adreline of knowing you can lose your items, but also know you have a chance of beating someone and getting their items, and also bragging rights.

 

 

 

Pking with no risk or reward(which is what you would like) is dull and boring. Completely takes the excitement out of it.

[Kietaro1]

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While a skiller at heart, I would not say that there is a dislike for pkers, instead a dislike the attitude that many pkers have. I have worked hard for my levels, and earned every bit of cash I have ever had. When I see those that mindlessly click on monsters to increase their combat stats, I am disappointed. Anyone can do that and yet many pkers feel as though they deserve what they earn from a kill. Honestly I fail to see the allure that killing a balanced character with a pure has in that to me there is no challenge. When I recently went from 80 cooking to 99 with a 2m profit, it was engaging and held a challenge. Then there are those that have spent hours leveling just 2 or 3 combat stats who gank people for ther hard earned cash?

 

 

 

The upside is I never 'had' to go into the Wilderness. As a result pkers have had little effect on me. I do not sell pots that i make, I do not buy ores for smithing, I do not buy seconds for herblore or summoning so in a sense I am an independant player that has little effect on the community in game as far as material usage/provision(outside the game i try to be as helpful as I can though).

 

 

 

With the inclusion of BH and Clan Wars we see a bit of pking as it should be. Pking should be for the pleasure of being able to outplay another player much like Guild Wars or World of Warcraft, not motivated by drops. Unfortunately Runescape is not really built for personalized combat (kind of the reason runescape and skilling are more of my attempt at relaxing) but the recent additions are giving to pking what I have wanted all along, the opportunity to kill another player for the joy of being able to do so, no strings attached.

 

 

 

Sorry man but thats about the dumbest thing i have ever heard. You are dissapointed at people "mindlessly clicking" to level up their combat stats. What exactly where you doing when mining/smithing/ doing any skill..?

 

 

 

And gank people for their hard earned cash? People knew what they were getting into going into the wild. People know what they are getting into when going into BH, and people will know what they are getting into in the new PVP worlds. So if they cant afford to lose that hard earned cash, then dont risk it. Thats the whole fun of pking is risk vs reward. the adreline of knowing you can lose your items, but also know you have a chance of beating someone and getting their items, and also bragging rights.

 

 

 

Pking with no risk or reward(which is what you would like) is dull and boring. Completely takes the excitement out of it.

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You are completely correct. I was mindlessly clicking for my levels. Where I find enjoyment though is fine tuning one aspect of my leveling so as to make money, get best exp/hour, and maximize my playing time. With pkers it is the same except that they level combat stats. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the attitude of expecting something for nothing. What seems to be missing on your part is a paradymical view of what other players may be thinking. In your mind you understand the risk/reward of pking which I too appreciate. To someone that purposely manipulates the combat system so as to be able to gank (which I think is an appropiate word) a balanced player they are removing the risk thus only wanting to maximize their potential of reward. This is representative of bullying that one may experience on a play ground. The upside again is that I can avoid the playground altogether.

 

 

 

At the same time I realise that pures are not the only type of pkers. I also understand that there are those that play fair and like the risk/reward that you described. This thread however was discussing the relationship between skillers and pkers. I tend to avoid pking and discussions about pking because of the mind set that I have stereotyped pkers to have. My stereotype is representative of many years of playing however and after seeing many pkers responses and actions towards other players. That does not make it true nor a true understanding of pkers because Lord knows I do not. Instead it is my views on a group of people, as I understand them to be, that say they want to be able to fight other players but only want to because they can manipulate the rules to their benefit.

[Nightsword]

Ah I didnt know you were talking about pures. Although my definition of pure, and the one used in todays runescape is probably much different. I completely agree with you on that aspect. The same as the one itemers who are just there to try and make a profit with no risk.

[Kietaro1]

To add to my opinion I do not think that pking should go unrewarded. I think that a system of monitering kills (maybe like in Diablo where players could collect ears of fallen players) would be great. With these 'points' the pker could exchange them for untrabable rewards that would increase their ability to compete in pking events. With the removal of the potential loss of equipment all the pker then would have to focus on would be fine tuning their skills to amass 'points' to become even better.

 

 

 

I really dislike the idea of being unrewarded for your effort and have high hopes for pk only worlds. I really hope Jagex makes it worth combat players time. Otherwise we may end up with another set of red and gold armor that is pointless to wear outside of showing off.

[HatshepsutLecter]

I say that I am a skiller of sorts and I don't hate pkers at all. I just don't see the point and don't partake. I would rather raise my skills that bash another players head in. Hats of to pkers though. It is hard to be good at that.

[magmaguard3]

I'm not a die hard Skiller, then again I'm not a beastly pker either. I like raising my skills and I don't hate on either "faction". I'll give someone props for their skills or their kills. :thumbsup:

[Zierro]

I think since the RWT updates. It pretty much divided us completely since it drove out all the old PKers.

[swordb88]

a larger group of people can mean a larger diversity in choices

[Dizzle229]

Well, I',m a skiller, but I don't hate PKers for this reason.

 

 

 

I have been trashed talked by and generally had the general experience of PKers. I thought they were absolute jerks. But here's the thing.

 

 

 

Whenever I catch a lobster, whenever I sell weapons, arrows, runes, and armor, whenever I make a potion, it's exactly these jerks that buy them and put money in my pocket.

[r4ngewarlord]

Well, I',m a skiller, but I don't hate PKers for this reason.

 

 

 

I have been trashed talked by and generally had the general experience of PKers. I thought they were absolute jerks. But here's the thing.

 

 

 

Whenever I catch a lobster, whenever I sell weapons, arrows, runes, and armor, whenever I make a potion, it's exactly these jerks that buy them and put money in my pocket.

 

see you guys depend on each other :D most of you just dont get it and why the change? well just a theory here but i read this article about it so here goes.

 

 

 

the human mind naturally likes to have company right, so that why when we were primitaves we had tribes or clans whatever anyway phyceologists ( i cant spell give me a rest )( the guys that figure out the human mind )

 

they reckon that when a tribe groups together and more then 150 people are in it the tribe starts to fall apart because you are unfamilliar with some of the people when you have less then 150 people you become familliar with the people and you tend to trust them more.

 

 

 

For example lets say a random stranger walked up to you, or a person you knew almost nothing about but you'd seen them before, your mind would automatically make the person you knew seem more trustworthy.

 

now trust worthyness helps keep a community together stoping most lying beytrayl suspicion ect.

 

runescape is a community so instead of the few 100 people in each world we'd have a few 1000 making everyone seem less trustworthy.

 

and maybe scamming started that makes everyone one more sinister -.-

 

 

 

( this was written by a 14 year old so if you absoloutely deystroy my theory dont feel to proud )

[tintin113]

Back in the days of PKing, PKers needed skillers to be able to kill effectively and efficiently, and skillers needed PKers to make a profit. All the good PKers and skillers knew this, and, as far as I could see, there was only a banter-based rivalry between the two on how each chooses to play the game, skillers arguing that they get to chat and make money, PKers arguing that they get to have fun and make money. I've never really realised a "hatred" between the two, only the odd disagreement on how people "should" play the game, and mainly between less experienced/unliked people anyway.

[joke_slayer]

i consider myself more of a skiller (though more of a combat orientated skiller, i am now raising my non combats, but i didn't normally pk)

 

 

 

it is not pking or pkers in general that i hate, its the attitude some pkers have: creating rules about honour and no-honour, complaining saying that you are cheating and bug abusing while winning fairly and fleeing and doing other nh things to get an extra advantage, and flaming and calling you a noob if you lose, that is what i hate

[Le_Fay]

i consider myself more of a skiller (though more of a combat orientated skiller, i am now raising my non combats, but i didn't normally pk)

 

 

 

it is not pking or pkers in general that i hate, its the attitude some pkers have: creating rules about honour and no-honour, complaining saying that you are cheating and bug abusing while winning fairly and fleeing and doing other nh things to get an extra advantage, and flaming and calling you a noob if you lose, that is what i hate

 

 

 

Exactly. What I've noticed in all my time of playing is the attitude that both sides take. PKers are better than everyone else because they can kill people at very low levels and are better fighters and could kill me easily if they wanted to. (Or so they said)

 

While the Skillers are better than everyone else because they can kill trees and fish and rocks at very low levels and are better firemakers and could out-cook me as easily if they wanted to.

 

I never saw a real hatred between the Skillers and the PKers, I think they knew that one really couldn't exist without the other. What I did see was how they both treated the 'normal' players of Runescape.

 

 

 

"scrd n00b i culd pwn u in wildy n im nly lvl 60 lol gf n00b"

 

"I have ten 99 skills and I'm level 3."

 

 

 

I personally would love to see very Skill friendly places have combat requirements slapped on them, and have future Skill updates be combat related.

 

AND have good combat training or combat related areas have hefty Skill requirements to be able to access or use

 

 

 

Quests are nice.

[r4ngewarlord]

i consider myself more of a skiller (though more of a combat orientated skiller, i am now raising my non combats, but i didn't normally pk)

 

 

 

it is not pking or pkers in general that i hate, its the attitude some pkers have: creating rules about honour and no-honour, complaining saying that you are cheating and bug abusing while winning fairly and fleeing and doing other nh things to get an extra advantage, and flaming and calling you a noob if you lose, that is what i hate

 

 

 

Exactly. What I've noticed in all my time of playing is the attitude that both sides take. PKers are better than everyone else because they can kill people at very low levels and are better fighters and could kill me easily if they wanted to. (Or so they said)

 

While the Skillers are better than everyone else because they can kill trees and fish and rocks at very low levels and are better firemakers and could out-cook me as easily if they wanted to.

 

I never saw a real hatred between the Skillers and the PKers, I think they knew that one really couldn't exist without the other. What I did see was how they both treated the 'normal' players of Runescape.

 

 

 

"scrd n00b i culd pwn u in wildy n im nly lvl 60 lol gf n00b"

 

"I have ten 99 skills and I'm level 3."

 

 

 

I personally would love to see very Skill friendly places have combat requirements slapped on them, and have future Skill updates be combat related.

 

AND have good combat training or combat related areas have hefty Skill requirements to be able to access or use

 

 

 

Quests are nice.

 

 

 

really i reckon thier the same just going for another side they want to brag so its not really what side thier on its peoples