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Summoning is a compliment skill to slayer just as fishing is to cooking or even more directly obvious and unavoidable melee combat skills to hitpoints.



That and the fact that I have enjoyed training both well past 99 are the reason I still pick up each and every single charm. (Even If I dont plan on using them ever...it will still looking massive / 'impressive' for ranks and could potientally strike fear into the hearts of the front page summoning rankers?)





Pick up all charms... it doesn't slow you down noticably, maybe an hour for 99?



Whats the point in 85+ slayer?


Dark Beasts, cool Skill Cape, potentional new high lvl Slay monsters, ...




+ Overall level and experience :thumbsup:


Whats the point in dark beasts? In fact, theres no point in training slayer at all besides it's 99 benifit.




Congratulations, your one of the many people in this world that make the human race look and sound dumber each and every time you say something as pointlessly stupid and on such a magnitude of foolishness such as this.



(I would say something else like +1 Fail level, but apparently you don't like additional level ups...)
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I haven't left one charm on the ground, its best to get them while you can, and usually they come with a drop worth picking up :)


But if you have no need for charms in any sort of reasonable future, would you still pick them up? I've started slaying today and not picking them up and tbh it's so much more relaxing, faster, easier and more generous on your inv space.


so you dont think a titan that can help get slayer xp FASTER is worth the minute amount that you are loosing picking up charms and are you really planning on doing all slayer till the pointy where you quit?
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Pick up all charms... it doesn't slow you down noticably, maybe an hour for 99?



Whats the point in 85+ slayer?


Dark Beasts, cool Skill Cape, potentional new high lvl Slay monsters, ...




+ Overall level and experience :thumbsup:


Whats the point in dark beasts? In fact, theres no point in training slayer at all besides it's 99 benifit.


No... YOU think there is no point in training slayer past 85. Don't project your opinion on others.


You guys are missing my point? Is there a point in training slayer? Yes. However, there really is no benefit of actually training the skill itself, besides training the skill. (Applies to the guy who said theres no point in training summoning if he's not going to get a stupidly high level)



Edit: I guess you can say I was being half sarcastic...
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so you dont think a titan that can help get slayer xp FASTER is worth the minute amount that you are loosing picking up charms and are you really planning on doing all slayer till the pointy where you quit?




Well, that depends if the slayer monster requires healing like that of a bunyip. ;)



In any case, I always pick up my shards to keep my options open. If I leave them on the ground, there are none. :<img src=:' />

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The two skills don't compliment each other.



If you want fast slayer, don't pick anything up, take easier tasks from summona, and use a cannon.

If you want fast summoning just goto the waterfiends or rock lobsters if you don't care about gp.



You'll be wasting your time trying to get charms on slayer since most monsters in runescape drop a paltry amount of them.

You'll also be wasting your time fiddling around picking up charms or trying to make summons attack anything in slayer if thats all your after.

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The two skills don't compliment each other.



If you want fast slayer, don't pick anything up, take easier tasks from summona, and use a cannon.

If you want fast summoning just goto the waterfiends or rock lobsters if you don't care about gp.



You'll be wasting your time trying to get charms on slayer since most monsters in runescape drop a paltry amount of them.

You'll also be wasting your time fiddling around picking up charms or trying to make summons attack anything in slayer if thats all your after.


Charms... slow you down by like 3%...
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For some reason: i always get tons more green charms than crimson/gold charms.



Quite stupid.

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For some reason: i always get tons more green charms than crimson/gold charms.



Quite stupid.


Thats because you get more Green charm dropping monsters, lol.
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You're a moron and cutting your own throat if you don't pick up your charms. FACT. Plain and simple.



Yeah, you'd get 99 Slayer a heck of a lot quicker in the loooong run, but then what happens in the future when you didn't pick up your charms while slaying? Oh darn, now you have to take time to go kill more monsters to earn them back. You = Stupid.
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You guys are missing my point? Is there a point in training slayer? Yes. However, there really is no benefit of actually training the skill itself, besides training the skill. (Applies to the guy who said theres no point in training summoning if he's not going to get a stupidly high level)



Edit: I guess you can say I was being half sarcastic...




Am I the only one who fully agrees? I hate slayer. Hate it hate it hate it. The monsters suck, the lengths suck, the repeat tasks suck, the drops suck, and the setup sucks.



Id rather powertrain somewhere or kill certain monsters for drops than train the waste that is slayer. 69 is where it is right now, and where its going to stay for a while. Iv died twice, loosing a black mask, since, the task was stupid. (Did the monsters that need a mirror shield in the smoking kills dungeon, and, I died. Because they lowered my stats too much, and, the grave wasnt even there. I really hate slaying. Spend so much time on one task when I can just get 4x the exp by camping. And high slayer levels ftw? No. I wont ever get 85, since, the time involved is nuts. Id rather powertrain all my skills and get there faster than a higher slayer level.



Slayer dart was about the only reason I even got slayer up. Then for dusties, for charms. Thats it.
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You're a moron and cutting your own throat if you don't pick up your charms. FACT. Plain and simple.



Yeah, you'd get 99 Slayer a heck of a lot quicker in the loooong run, but then what happens in the future when you didn't pick up your charms while slaying? Oh darn, now you have to take time to go kill more monsters to earn them back. You = Stupid.




I agree, except for the flaming part. That wasn't needed at all. :?

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You're a moron and cutting your own throat if you don't pick up your charms. FACT. Plain and simple.



Yeah, you'd get 99 Slayer a heck of a lot quicker in the loooong run, but then what happens in the future when you didn't pick up your charms while slaying? Oh darn, now you have to take time to go kill more monsters to earn them back. You = Stupid.


Where'd that come from? Get away from the computer and take some time to relax ;)



so you dont think a titan that can help get slayer xp FASTER is worth the minute amount that you are loosing picking up charms and are you really planning on doing all slayer till the pointy where you quit?


Of course it would speed things up, but there are other factors that I consider. Can I realisticly afford to level up to the level I need for titans? I would have to sell a large majority of my fighting gear, and then I wouldn't be fighting them fast very much at all. I can see where you're coming from though.



You guys are missing my point? Is there a point in training slayer? Yes. However, there really is no benefit of actually training the skill itself, besides training the skill. (Applies to the guy who said theres no point in training summoning if he's not going to get a stupidly high level)



Edit: I guess you can say I was being half sarcastic...


Well I don't know what half sarcasm is, but 85 slayer is more valueable to me as a status symbol. Obviously past that is the addition of more fun when training attack, higher hits and the ability to kill monsters that give both good exp and some money to boot.





Now that I think of it, I'm enjoying slaying much more now that I can actually just sit back and watch my character kill monsters instead of constantly keeping my eyes peeled for charms. I have nothing against summoning, I love the skill, but it isn't really practical for me to train it - no level I can afford to reach holds a "revolutionary" summon, or so to speak. Some very interesting responses though, wasn't expecting to see so many people keep green over gold :-#
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I honestly don't see how Summoning is an uber-expensive skill everybody makes it out to be. For 88 it's... ~30-40m? Thats if you don't gain anything/lose anything though. From slayer, it's more than enough.



For 99,



Estimate cost to 99 Summoning!

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I honestly don't see how Summoning is an uber-expensive skill everybody makes it out to be. For 88 it's... ~30-40m? Thats if you don't gain anything/lose anything though. From slayer, it's more than enough.



For 99,



Estimate cost to 99 Summoning!




I'm well aware of the price, but I'll have you know my net worth is only just below 10mil, not including items that I can't sell back. Not everyone has the luxury of large amounts of money ;) . As for 83-85 slayer earning me 30m+, I don't see it happening unless every task I get from now on are spirit mages (I hope not...).
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I honestly don't see how Summoning is an uber-expensive skill everybody makes it out to be. For 88 it's... ~30-40m? Thats if you don't gain anything/lose anything though. From slayer, it's more than enough.



For 99,



Estimate cost to 99 Summoning!




I'm well aware of the price, but I'll have you know my net worth is only just below 10mil, not including items that I can't sell back. Not everyone has the luxury of large amounts of money ;) . As for 83-85 slayer earning me 30m+, I don't see it happening unless every task I get from now on are spirit mages (I hope not...).




75mil for 99 in one skill IS uber expensive.



All the buyable 99s take around 5 - 10mil to buy

Then most of the others are either make vast amounts (eg hunter, wc, fishing) or almost break even bar like 5 - 20mil (eg herblore, smithing)

The only other remotely costly skill to train is construction as that takes around 75mil for 99 (assuming you exclude furniture that you make to fill your house from costs as that can run you into 110mil on its own)

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75mil for 99 in one skill IS uber expensive.



All the buyable 99s take around 5 - 10mil to buy

Then most of the others are either make vast amounts (eg hunter, wc, fishing) or almost break even bar like 5 - 20mil (eg herblore, smithing)

The only other remotely costly skill to train is construction as that takes around 75mil for 99 (assuming you exclude furniture that you make to fill your house from costs as that can run you into 110mil on its own)






Wow herblore breaks even? - Did you count the fact you could actually sell the herbs, vials, waterfilled vials and seconds?

Last time I checked (granted over a year ago) any decent method costed around 50-100M. And fast training would cost you around 200M.



Construction costs between 90-100M (90.2M at 430 gp/oak plank, 10.5M at 500gp/oak plank), and crafting is also around the 50-75M boundary..





Actually the only cheaper skills I know about are cooking (20M I believe..), FM (5-10m) and fletching (depending on method 1-2M or 10-20M).





So indeed: it isn't cheap, but still it isn't THAT expensive if you can get your charms easily.



I would really pick up the charms: but then again I never understood why anyone would ever powertrain something.. I much rather have fun while training - and drops are the main "fun" i find in combat..

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75mil for 99 in one skill IS uber expensive.



All the buyable 99s take around 5 - 10mil to buy

Then most of the others are either make vast amounts (eg hunter, wc, fishing) or almost break even bar like 5 - 20mil (eg herblore, smithing)

The only other remotely costly skill to train is construction as that takes around 75mil for 99 (assuming you exclude furniture that you make to fill your house from costs as that can run you into 110mil on its own)






Wow herblore breaks even? - Did you count the fact you could actually sell the herbs, vials, waterfilled vials and seconds?

Last time I checked (granted over a year ago) any decent method costed around 50-100M. And fast training would cost you around 200M.



Construction costs between 90-100M (90.2M at 430 gp/oak plank, 10.5M at 500gp/oak plank), and crafting is also around the 50-75M boundary..





Actually the only cheaper skills I know about are cooking (20M I believe..), FM (5-10m) and fletching (depending on method 1-2M or 10-20M).





So indeed: it isn't cheap, but still it isn't THAT expensive if you can get your charms easily.



I would really pick up the charms: but then again I never understood why anyone would ever powertrain something.. I much rather have fun while training - and drops are the main "fun" i find in combat..




Note cooking, fm, fletching the three you listed as cheaper ARE the buyable skills basically.

I never said herblore etc break even but there are ways and means of training even herblore that though they do cost you money in returns make almost the same amount. If you train herblore right yes you will spend like 100mil odd buying stuff in along the way (unless you go slow and harvest all ur own herbs etc) but selling the potions along the way will get you about 60 - 75% of that back. It's true in many skills selling the raw stuff is worth more money, but it stands most you can either make money or come very close to breaking evening meaning few skills have a great cost to 99 (if you take cost to 99 as money invest take money made from selling)



Crunching numbers on all skills like that only construction comes remotely close cost wise to summoning and that's because they are the only two skills where you absolutely HAVE to put money in and its near impossible to get money back out of it directly.

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I never pick up charms...still 1 summonining lol.
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I have to say, I leave charms on the ground all the time.. =O Reason for that is because I don't want to train Summoning, and for now I'm not planning to either. I read in the Summoning guide that the skill can be very useful but I just don't want to lol.

Too bad charms aren't tradeable, I could give them to players who actually used them -.-
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I never pick up charms...still 1 summonining lol.




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