What's you're political Idoligy

[Saru Inc]

Dude, no it doesn't. All I'm saying is, the Bible doesn't support socialism, it supports capitalism as in you get out what you put in. If you don't put in anything, you don't get out anything.

[Quoi_Tu]

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Technically, there isn't any law that prohibits a doctor from telling a poor person with a brain tumor "pay the $1,600 for MRI brain imaging or don't come here again", because if the patient is in no imminent danger of dying, he has no legal obligation to help him.. Sad.

 

 

 

As much as I hate to see people suffer, some one has to pay the bill or the hospital is going to go into a large debt rather quickly.

 

capitalism fail

 

 

 

Become Socialist because then everything is magically paid for!

 

 

 

Brains are best when put to use. Wow I sounded quite harsh... Oh well.

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Move to an European country, pay your taxes on time, and everything will be magically paid for.

 

 

 

If you get sick in the UK, a scandinavian country, Germany, etc... It doesn't really matter if your treatment costs 50 euros or 15,000 euros. You're not going to die, and you will be treated even if you are unemployed with 3 kids.

 

 

 

Yet those countries have much less debt than the US.

 

 

 

It's still being paid for, no magic involved. And it's still a business, just the bill is paid for by the government. That response was aimed at the "capitalism fail" guy anyway.

 

 

 

I'm not saying our system is right. In fact, it's not. However, I think it's our medical industry in need of reform.

 

 

 

Those countries also have much less GDP and economic power.

 

 

 

Dude, no it doesn't. All I'm saying is, the Bible doesn't support socialism, it supports capitalism as in you get out what you put in. If you don't put in anything, you don't get out anything.

 

 

 

Who said socialism? I said communism. They're quite different you know. However, if you don't put anything in in a communist society, you get nothing out.

[nickeley102]

 

Technically, there isn't any law that prohibits a doctor from telling a poor person with a brain tumor "pay the $1,600 for MRI brain imaging or don't come here again", because if the patient is in no imminent danger of dying, he has no legal obligation to help him.. Sad.

 

 

 

As much as I hate to see people suffer, some one has to pay the bill or the hospital is going to go into a large debt rather quickly.

 

capitalism fail

 

 

 

Become Socialist because then everything is magically paid for!

 

 

 

Brains are best when put to use. Wow I sounded quite harsh... Oh well.

 

im currently on the acc benefit after i had a car crash. all my medical bills were paid and i live comfortably until im out this wheelchair.

 

 

 

we are taxed less than americans and less than 1% of the population abuse the system

 

 

 

it makes me happy to know that i live in a country were if i (or someone i know) has an accident, falls pregnant, cant find a job etc. we can rely on the government to help them out, to live comfortably, until they find their feet

 

 

 

whats nicer is not having added pressure for these people to start earning

[Saru Inc]

Just some food for thought; people say Bush created a deficit, well obviously, but nationalized healthcare, no matter who does it, will create a HUGE deficit. I saw a news story, about CA needing mney from the Feds to pay for the rest of it's healthcare.

[Housepig]

Personally, I think that the whole system of modern Democracy is wrong. Firstly, if a party wins an election, they should gain every seat in the Government; they should not gain a number of seats proportionate to their number of votes, as this would make passing laws quickr and more efficiant.

 

 

 

Secondly, there should be some form of screening to ensure that people who are of low intelligence or are very biased would not vote; only those who could be trusted to make an informed decision and not vote for someone because of their personality would be allowed to; I don't know how this would work though.

 

 

 

Thirdly, the freedom of the press should be limited to constructive criticism: only complaints that also made suggestions would be allowed, as pointless complaining is both hypocritical and de-establishmental (real word?...).

 

 

 

And finally, religion should not be taught in schools in any form; in my opinion, religion warps peoples' minds.

[user1991]

Personally, I think that the whole system of modern Democracy is wrong. Firstly, if a party wins an election, they should gain every seat in the Government; they should not gain a number of seats proportionate to their number of votes, as this would make passing laws quickr and more efficiant.

 

 

 

Secondly, there should be some form of screening to ensure that people who are of low intelligence or are very biased would not vote; only those who could be trusted to make an informed decision and not vote for someone because of their personality would be allowed to; I don't know how this would work though.

 

 

 

Thirdly, the freedom of the press should be limited to constructive criticism: only complaints that also made suggestions would be allowed, as pointless complaining is both hypocritical and de-establishmental (real word?...).

 

 

 

And finally, religion should not be taught in schools in any form; in my opinion, religion warps peoples' minds.

 

 

 

No.. stupid people should be allowed to vote.

 

 

 

As should prisoners..

[llcoolguy972]

Personally, I think that the whole system of modern Democracy is wrong. Firstly, if a party wins an election, they should gain every seat in the Government; they should not gain a number of seats proportionate to their number of votes, as this would make passing laws quickr and more efficiant.

 

Yes, because it's not like they could abuse tyranny of the majority is possible

 

 

 

Secondly, there should be some form of screening to ensure that people who are of low intelligence or are very biased would not vote; only those who could be trusted to make an informed decision and not vote for someone because of their personality would be allowed to; I don't know how this would work though.

 

Well we could screen them on the basis of if they own land or not because, obviously, only wealthy people are smart and they're the only ones who are able to land.

 

 

 

Thirdly, the freedom of the press should be limited to constructive criticism: only complaints that also made suggestions would be allowed, as pointless complaining is both hypocritical and de-establishmental (real word?...).

 

Again, I absolutely agree. Who wants to hear about a company going bankrupt due to a bunch of bad mortgages or corrupt accounting practices? Also, reporters are obviously experts on every single subject ranging from economics to religion and their suggestions would work, hands down. It's not like plain criticism has ever worked before.

 

[BlueLancer]

 

Those countries also have much less GDP and economic power.

 

 

 

 

I introduce you to research recent GDP statistics:

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

 

 

 

The EU as an entity has long surpassed all other countries in terms of nominal GDP. EU membership requires fulfilling certain criteria such as free medical care to each citizen of the member nation regardless of wealth, race, gender, sexuality or ideology. There are extremely harsh sanctions and penalties for member countries that don't comply with the directives the commission has set, up to hundreds of millions of euros even for issues such as failing to cut overly long surgery waiting lists.

 

 

 

Socialized medical care thus not being "economically viable" is a completely ridiculous assumption, given the largest economic entity in the world uses the system.

[user1991]

 

Those countries also have much less GDP and economic power.

 

 

 

 

I introduce you to research recent GDP statistics:

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

 

 

 

The EU as an entity has long surpassed all other countries in terms of nominal GDP. EU membership requires fulfilling certain criteria such as free medical care to each citizen of the member nation regardless of wealth, race, gender, sexuality or ideology. There are extremely harsh sanctions and penalties for member countries that don't comply with the directives the commission has set, up to hundreds of millions of euros even for issues such as failing to cut overly long surgery waiting lists.

 

 

 

Socialized medical care thus not being "economically viable" is a completely ridiculous assumption, given the largest economic entity in the world uses the system.

 

 

 

If the US had a better system of healthcare, they wouldn't be able to afford all their wars.

 

 

 

Oh and God doesn't want to help the poor.

[Quoi_Tu]

 

im currently on the acc benefit after i had a car crash. all my medical bills were paid and i live comfortably until im out this wheelchair.

 

 

 

we are taxed less than americans and less than 1% of the population abuse the system

 

 

 

it makes me happy to know that i live in a country were if i (or someone i know) has an accident, falls pregnant, cant find a job etc. we can rely on the government to help them out, to live comfortably, until they find their feet

 

 

 

whats nicer is not having added pressure for these people to start earning

 

 

 

What country do you live in? Especially since you have lower taxes than Americans. We really don't have very high taxes.

 

 

 

 

Those countries also have much less GDP and economic power.

 

 

 

 

I introduce you to research recent GDP statistics:

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

 

 

 

The EU as an entity has long surpassed all other countries in terms of nominal GDP. EU membership requires fulfilling certain criteria such as free medical care to each citizen of the member nation regardless of wealth, race, gender, sexuality or ideology. There are extremely harsh sanctions and penalties for member countries that don't comply with the directives the commission has set, up to hundreds of millions of euros even for issues such as failing to cut overly long surgery waiting lists.

 

 

 

Socialized medical care thus not being "economically viable" is a completely ridiculous assumption, given the largest economic entity in the world uses the system.

 

 

 

Oh, I thought we were refering to countries themselves. Yes, it is quite obvious the EU GDP is higher. *Glances at UK GDP*

 

 

 

The problem is in the US, if we budget for socialized medicine, we have to take away another part of the budget (or parts of parts), a large part too. It would be nice if we could cut national defense spending (army, military production, etc.), but that seems to be pipe dream these days. So really, it is viable, just not right now. Maybe with higher taxes, although no one wants higher taxes, but they do want the government to take care of them. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[1_man_army]

Dude, no it doesn't. All I'm saying is, the Bible doesn't support socialism, it supports capitalism as in you get out what you put in. If you don't put in anything, you don't get out anything.

 

 

 

 

 

The bible doesn't support being rich either, which lets face it, is the ultimate goal of any capitalist.

 

 

 

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Mark 10:23-25)

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[ThurinEthir]

Dude, no it doesn't. All I'm saying is, the Bible doesn't support socialism, it supports capitalism as in you get out what you put in. If you don't put in anything, you don't get out anything.

 

 

 

 

 

The bible doesn't support being rich either, which lets face it, is the ultimate goal of any capitalist.

 

 

 

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Mark 10:23-25)

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Let's just go with "God doesn't care about your physical leaders, if you're Christian, all you need to know is that your spiritual leader is Jesus and that's it." :uhh:

 

I'm pretty liberal, both socially and economically. Having grown up in Massachusetts, that's no surprise.

[1_man_army]

I'd just like to point out that I'm not religious, I was just making the point that you can use the bible to argue that many if not all economic/governmental systems are wrong. Using the bible just doesn't work in this argument.

[ThurinEthir]

I'd just like to point out that I'm not religious, I was just making the point that you can use the bible to argue that many if not all economic/governmental systems are wrong. Using the bible just doesn't work in this argument.

 

I'm not sure if that was directed at me, but that was my point. No matter how many verses you quote, you can't prove if Jesus supported capitalism or communism. Separation of church and state pl0x.

[Quoi_Tu]

I'e always thought that the only way a communist society could truly exist was if all the people in it were equally religious. If they were, their greed could be focused on obtaining a place in Heaven instead of on material things. Also, the moral codes of the religion mixed with the desire to reach Heaven, would create a self-regulating society. So, crime would not even be worried or thought about.

[user1991]

I'e always thought that the only way a communist society could truly exist was if all the people in it were equally religious. If they were, their greed could be focused on obtaining a place in Heaven instead of on material things. Also, the moral codes of the religion mixed with the desire to reach Heaven, would create a self-regulating society. So, crime would not even be worried or thought about.

 

 

 

Probably what Jesus was thinking..

[Skull]

I've always thought that the only way a communist society could truly exist was if all the people in it were equally religious. If they were, their greed could be focused on obtaining a place in Heaven instead of on material things. Also, the moral codes of the religion mixed with the desire to reach Heaven, would create a self-regulating society. So, crime would not even be worried or thought about.

 

I can see what you're saying, but that really goes against Marx's "Religion is the opiate of the people" statement. I think you'd need to be either a small group of extremely religious people like you said or a group of atheists.

 

 

 

I'd say I believe in some Marxism and Liberal ideas.

[llcoolguy972]

I'e always thought that the only way a communist society could truly exist was if all the people in it were equally religious. If they were, their greed could be focused on obtaining a place in Heaven instead of on material things. Also, the moral codes of the religion mixed with the desire to reach Heaven, would create a self-regulating society. So, crime would not even be worried or thought about.

 

 

 

Probably what Jesus was thinking..

 

Yes, because the Puritan's societies turned out so very well.

[deloriagod]

I agree with OP on most issues (though some not at all) and I'm almost embarrassed to do so just from his post. #-o

[Quoi_Tu]

I've always thought that the only way a communist society could truly exist was if all the people in it were equally religious. If they were, their greed could be focused on obtaining a place in Heaven instead of on material things. Also, the moral codes of the religion mixed with the desire to reach Heaven, would create a self-regulating society. So, crime would not even be worried or thought about.

 

 

 

I can see what you're saying, but that really goes against Marx's "Religion is the opiate of the people" statement. I think you'd need to be either a small group of extremely religious people like you said or a group of atheists.

 

 

 

 

If you have a group of atheists though, then you need some connecting idea or thought that dispels the notion of greed. I'm not saying that's impossible, but it is easier with a universal religion that focuses on the afterlife (such as Christianity). Otherwise, a communist society would only work using humans that are different from what they are now. Since, right now, humans are greedy and I don't see that changing too soon.

[ThurinEthir]

I've always thought that the only way a communist society could truly exist was if all the people in it were equally religious. If they were, their greed could be focused on obtaining a place in Heaven instead of on material things. Also, the moral codes of the religion mixed with the desire to reach Heaven, would create a self-regulating society. So, crime would not even be worried or thought about.

 

 

 

I can see what you're saying, but that really goes against Marx's "Religion is the opiate of the people" statement. I think you'd need to be either a small group of extremely religious people like you said or a group of atheists.

 

 

 

 

If you have a group of atheists though, then you need some connecting idea or thought that dispels the notion of greed. I'm not saying that's impossible, but it is easier with a universal religion that focuses on the afterlife (such as Christianity). Otherwise, a communist society would only work using humans that are different from what they are now. Since, right now, humans are greedy and I don't see that changing too soon.

 

Original sin. :-$

 

In my opinion, what you're talking about is an ideal society, utopia. It's not feasible, but it would be great.

[Sam]

Here's my two:

 

 

 

A way to keep the economy balanced, after learning the lessons of this recent and ongoing financial crisis.

 

 

 

Free healthcare for all, and if you need expensive drugs to keep you alive, make the health service pay for them - it's their job isn't it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God dammit, if only communism worked.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Do I really have to explain the ideologies I follow? I'm pretty sure all Americans are fairly indoctrinated on why it's so evil and wrong anyway, and they do make up about 70% of this site's community.

[Quoi_Tu]

Here's my two:

 

 

 

A way to keep the economy balanced, after learning the lessons of this recent and ongoing financial crisis.

 

 

 

Free healthcare for all, and if you need expensive drugs to keep you alive, make the health service pay for them - it's their job isn't it?

 

 

 

God dammit, if only communism worked.

 

 

 

The dream of the American citizen: Pay no taxes and get free health care, good roads, great education, and social security. Not to mention, be protected and insure their money.

 

 

 

Do I really have to explain the ideologies I follow? I'm pretty sure all Americans are fairly indoctrinated on why it's so evil and wrong anyway, and they do make up about 70% of this site's community.

 

 

 

Commie!

[magekillr]

Do I really have to explain the ideologies I follow? I'm pretty sure all Americans are fairly indoctrinated on why it's so evil and wrong anyway, and they do make up about 70% of this site's community.

 

 

 

At least you only deal with it on the internet...I get tormented at family reunions, and any other time that I'm home from college. I don't deal with the same situation while I'm at school because I can lament with my other "radical" friends.