Twilight.

[fenrir321]

Twilight

 

 

 

#-o

 

Tbh, I find that series to be well written and intresting. I really like the books.

 

The only reason they're interesting is because they're a rip off of other good stories.

 

which?

 

Really? You haven't noticed that its just a little bit like LOTR?

 

Tbh I've never read LotR.

 

Considering that Tolkien used the ring idea from Plato's Republic (could be wrong on the dialogue but right author), is there anything wrong to using similar plot elements?

 

 

 

Can you really say, "This book is a rip-off because it's about a group of normal, average people who save the world in a mythical land." ? Last time I looked, runescape was all about that :roll: .

[gauper_kid]

 

Considering that Tolkien used the ring idea from Plato's Republic (could be wrong on the dialogue but right author), is there anything wrong to using similar plot elements?

 

 

 

Can you really say, "This book is a rip-off because it's about a group of normal, average people who save the world in a mythical land." ? Last time I looked, runescape was all about that :roll: .

 

Off course you can, because that's an extremely general storyline. Eragon is similar to LotR in so many more ways than that. And that was just one example.

[fenrir321]

 

Considering that Tolkien used the ring idea from Plato's Republic (could be wrong on the dialogue but right author), is there anything wrong to using similar plot elements?

 

 

 

Can you really say, "This book is a rip-off because it's about a group of normal, average people who save the world in a mythical land." ? Last time I looked, runescape was all about that :roll: .

 

Off course you can, because that's an extremely general storyline. Eragon is similar to LotR in so many more ways than that. And that was just one example.

 

Your first sentence says that you can say a book is a rip off because it only takes 1 plot element to be a rip off. And your second and third sentences say the opposite :-k

 

So, I'll just respond to the first one.

 

 

 

There are several plot elements that are just popular, nothing to do with plagiarism. If one book uses magic and so does another but in a completely different way, what's the criteria of who "gets" the idea and who is "stealing"? It's absurd. Now, when you get into things that authors created from scratch (certain vocabulary or things you couldn't find in nature or our mythology) that is not a staple, then you get into plagiarism. Because if all it takes 1 one plot element, then LotR is a rip off of any mythology that has elves or dwarves in it. It's also a rip off of any previous story that includes magic that came before.

 

 

 

And to be specific with the Inheritance/LotR relation, considering that humans act the same, why can't there be characters inter-plot that are similar? I can name cookie cutter characters off the top of my head from anime, but does that mean the plots are bad or "rehashed"? No, in fact my most favorite of all time uses a bunch of generic characters with a new twist on the plot that I have never seen before, and it's only a few months old.

 

 

 

Making something from scratch is nice, but taking something that already exists and turning it into something that is different is better. Besides, why do people watch the same thing on TV? Maybe there's something different? Last time I checked, there wasn't a dragon rider mind connection in LotR (but I haven't finished the series or picked it up again in a few eyars so I'm not sure :wall: )

[Nom]

Sigh . . .

 

 

 

I really don't want to get into this, but for a cursory look . . .

 

 

 

Plot = Star Wars. Do some thinking for yourself, it's pretty glaringly obvious.

 

 

 

Setting = LotR. Look at some of the names. Additionally, Tolkein very much invented the traditional fantasy elves and dwarves. He based them on mythology but gave them his own shape. Paolini has merely transplanted them, complete with pretty much every trait of Tolkein's. While we're on this topic, the concept of Dragon Riders comes from Dragonriders of Pern and the magic system is almost exactly Wizard of Earthsea.

 

 

 

Characters = Cardboard. Everyone loves Eragon, they're all cliches, and they all speak in the exact same incredibly irritating manner. Farmboys do not make "eloquent" speeches like that of Roran. And everyone suddenly started saying "aye" in the second book.

 

 

 

Eragon = the worst character ever. "Masters" sword combat in a few weeks, enough to beat Brom, who is something like a hundred years old and has been fighting all that time. Is otherwise stupidly Stu-ish and the victim of the worst deus ex machina ever, the Blood Oath Ceremony. Has a completely skewed sense of morality (his "justice" for Sloan in Brisingr?) and behaves like a sociopath. And yet, as everyone in the world loves him unconditionally, he must be right.

 

 

 

The plagiarism is not even my main beef with the books. It's a mere footnote compared to everything else.

[gauper_kid]

Sigh . . .

 

 

 

I really don't want to get into this, but for a cursory look . . .

 

 

 

Plot = Star Wars. Do some thinking for yourself, it's pretty glaringly obvious.

 

 

 

Setting = LotR. Look at some of the names. Additionally, Tolkein very much invented the traditional fantasy elves and dwarves. He based them on mythology but gave them his own shape. Paolini has merely transplanted them, complete with pretty much every trait of Tolkein's. While we're on this topic, the concept of Dragon Riders comes from Dragonriders of Pern and the magic system is almost exactly Wizard of Earthsea.

 

 

 

Characters = Cardboard. Everyone loves Eragon, they're all cliches, and they all speak in the exact same incredibly irritating manner. Farmboys do not make "eloquent" speeches like that of Roran. And everyone suddenly started saying "aye" in the second book.

 

 

 

Eragon = the worst character ever. "Masters" sword combat in a few weeks, enough to beat Brom, who is something like a hundred years old and has been fighting all that time. Is otherwise stupidly Stu-ish and the victim of the worst deus ex machina ever, the Blood Oath Ceremony. Has a completely skewed sense of morality (his "justice" for Sloan in Brisingr?) and behaves like a sociopath. And yet, as everyone in the world loves him unconditionally, he must be right.

 

 

 

The plagiarism is not even my main beef with the books. It's a mere footnote compared to everything else.

 

Thanks NOM, I was getting tired of arguing.

[Nero]

Plot = Star Wars. Do some thinking for yourself, it's pretty glaringly obvious.

 

 

 

 

[hide=Yepyep]Our story is set in a world dominated by a vast, evil Empire. Now this Empire wasn't always evil - it was once ruled wisely by an order of mystical warriors. However, one of their order turned to the Dark Side, and since then, he has ruled with an iron fist.

 

 

 

This germinated with the rage inside him from seeing someone close to him killed by a barbaric tribe, was fed by the order refusing his demands, inspiring a deep resentment towards them, and flowered when he was taught dark secrets by an evil figure that gave him power greater than any other member of the order.

 

 

 

The story opens with a beautiful-yet-kickass princess, heir to a faction allied with the Rebellion, who is fleeing Imperial forces with something that will be of great help to the Rebel cause. This something is so important, in fact, that it could spell the Empire's defeat. She is captured (by one of the Emperor's chief lieutenants, no less) but not before she can send away the object she was carrying to an old ally who is currently in hiding in a remote region. It is out of the hands of the Empire, for now, and the princess can only hope that by chance (or perhaps fate) the object will reach safe hands.

 

 

 

We then meet our protagonist, a poor farm boy who lives with his uncle's family (having been left in their care as a baby), in a far corner of the Empire. On the cusp of adolescence and adulthood, he dreams of leaving the farming life and seeking a great destiny in the world.

 

 

 

He comes across the thing sent by the beautiful-yet-kickass princess, is able to unlock it, and visits the local crazy old man (who may be more than he appears) to find out more. As it turns out, this crazy old man is in fact a wise old man - he is one of the few surviving members of the ancient order of mystical warriors! He tells the protagonist the tale of the order and how they were wiped out. He also informs the protagonist that his father was a reknowned member of the order, and that he and his father trained together. He moved to the area around the time of the protagonist's birth so that he could watch over the boy's development.

 

 

 

The forces of the Empire are still hot on the trail of the object, and while the protagonist is away from home, they burn down his uncle's farm, murdering his uncle. This causes the protagonist to return to the wise old man, vowing to seek justice, and adventure; a move that will eventually lead him into direct conflict with the Empire itself. Together they set off on their quest, first travelling to a nearby settlement to gain transportation.

 

 

 

The wise old man gives the protagonist a weapon which originally belonged to his father, and begins to tutor him in the mystical arts, in which the protagonist shows a remarkable proficiency. He may, in fact, be the one destined to bring back the ancient order and bring peace and harmony once more.

 

 

 

Along the way, they meet a gruff yet lovable rogue, who turns out to be fiercely loyal, despite his proclaimed selfishness. (This character is one of the most popular in the series, wheras the protagonist is often seen as rather irritating.)

 

 

 

The protagonist begins "seeing-from-afar" the beautiful-yet-kickass princess, who has been kept prisoner and is being tortured for information on the whereabouts of the Rebellion's HQ. Obsessed by her beauty, the protagonist vows to rescue her.

 

 

 

Travelling to a location where he hopes he will be able to contact the Rebellion, the protagonist is captured, although he finds out that the beautiful princess is imprisoned in the same fortress. He and his friends manage to escape with the princess, encountering a major agent of evil along the way. They escort her back to the Rebel hideout, along with the thing that could help the Rebellion win their struggle against the Empire.

 

 

 

Along the way, the wise old man is killed in battle protecting the protagonist.

 

 

 

They manage to evade the enemy and arrive at the Rebellion's HQ; however, the enemy has been able to track them and now knows the location of the rebel base. The protagonist pledges his support for the Rebel cause, and they immediately begin preparing for an epic battle between good and evil as the Empire musters forces to crush the Rebellion.

 

 

 

The protagonist fights valiantly in the battle, but the Rebels seem to be losing the day. That is until the protagonist, aided by one of his friends who arrives at precisely the right moment to cause a distraction, heroically destroys a noun of great power, causing a really big, impressive piece of craftwork to spectacularly explode. This wipes out the Empire's command structure, allowing the remaining Imperial forces to be easily routed and destroyed.[/hide]

[Nom]

^Thanks, if that's the Anti-Shurtugal one I was sure I would never see it again since the site is gone. I looked anyway, but alas.

[saifzman]

I must say... Eclipse sucked. But I think the girl that plays bella is hot! :D

[ElkNight]

WHY?

[EmEss]

The only way the books seem better than they really are ( they really are "Alright but Not THAT good"), is when you put them up against the film DX

 

I HATE the girl who plays Bella DX

^^ WHERE IS THE EMOTION??? :blink: :blink:

[BonScott]

Twilight should BURN! :twisted:

 

Mwuhahahahahaha!

[Wizz]

The only way the books seem better than they really are ( they really are "Alright but Not THAT good"), is when you put them up against the film DX

 

I HATE the girl who plays Bella DX

^^ WHERE IS THE EMOTION??? :blink: :blink:

She could be the next Keanu Reeves, NO EMOTION! All she needs are a pair of shades.

[Skeptical]

Things I hate most in this world:

 

- Fox (crappy shows, worse news, and they canceled Firefly.)

- Twilight (romantic Mormon propaganda that's an embarrassment to literature.)

- Everything else

[Wingless]

So... with her current popularity, will Stephanie Mayo go down in history?

 

I can see it now:

Aristotle, Shakespeare, Allen Poe, Meyer...

 

Wait no I can't. Her books are crap and lack depth and character. Holiday Brochures and Argos Catalogues have more character then Twi[cabbage]e ever did.

 

But that's my two cents ;)

[Triquos]

I am proud to say I have never seen it and never will. The cheesyness of it all makes me wanna hurl, and that was just seeing the trailer o_O

 

I feel sorry for all the guys who got dragged along by their girlfriends to see it

[Denith]

I'm bored, so...

 

Has anyone thought of the Twilight Saga as a piece of americana? Just compare the vampires to the european settlers, the humans as the passive/curious/uninformed indians, the werewolves as the actively involved indians who don't like the vampires/european settlers, The Volturi as the European Homelands, and Bella as the pocahontas sort of figure.

[saifzam]

so who's excited for the 4th movie in the twilight saga?

 

Twilight - breaking dawn part 1 :o

[K4ylan]

so who's excited for the 4th movie in the twilight saga?

 

Twilight - breaking dawn part 1 :o

 

Why have you made a new account to bump this every time

 

And I'm not excited. The movie's I've seen (2/3) weren't as bad as the haters said, but it wasn't good. My life would not have changed had I not seen it. Although the lead girl was bad; terrible in fact. I'd probably be more interested if I had read the book.

[Julezss]

The movie was alright but the books were amazing.