dragon claw's

[merlyn238]

Alright... this is my first ever post on ANY forum anywere...so im not guna write alot or anything (im VERRY bad at spelling). ok heres the rant. i got on today (thanksgiveing) and saw the new quest was out. 99% of the time I hate udates beacuse i cant use them or they arnt usefull :evil: however, i did see some great was to gain xp/make money from this quest. In fact i was on my way to do it when i looked at what i needed to do. The second i saw the 270 qp req. i gave up :cry: so i went to do some slayer. A few hrs laster i went to the ge to buy something or other and saw d claws. At first i ignored them thinking i wouldent be able to use them beacuse you needed the new quest and all that good stuf :roll: then i saw a lvl 70 something wearing them and realised i could get them! so i went to buy them just for the fun of it figureing i would be able to buy them at max in a few hrs at most... so i waited and waited and waited still they didint sell so i went to world 2 to see if i might get them in trade the second i go on i see a lvl 138 buying d claws for 30m!!!!!!!!!!!!1one!!11! im no were near rich and i dont think that the claws are worth over 10m max. so i spent 30 mins trying to buy them at 1m still didint sell..1.5m nope...2m..still no-one...3m NO! Im tired of rich players grabing 100m from there banks and buying new/rare things for outrages prices! It stops me from enjoying the game. I hope the claws dont become as wanted as armadyl godswords or ill never ever get my hands on one :wall: i supose what im rly asking/trying to say what gives people with lots of cash the rite to stop people with litle money from enjoying something? for goodness sake the claws are 180k.

[belfordrocks]

Meh. Once the price falls under seven figures after all the excitement and stuff cools down it's going to be them losing their coin.

 

 

 

Works either way.

[merlyn238]

i understand what your saying however why is it that thes people must have it NOW? i cant understand how this is worth it!

[mario_sunny]

Okay... the rich people don't intentionally want to 'hurt' the less rich. They don't buy at outrageous prices becaues they want to make sure the poor will never get it, they buy for that much because of two factors: large demand and small supply. Hey, I would love to pay 180k for dragon claws, but since there are so few in the game and everyone wants a set people are selling them for millions.

[merlyn238]

i understand your point, i understand how price manipulaton works... however i dont think that 30m for a pare of claws (not mate how rare) is worth it at all. Im not saying that the rich people want to hurt the poor im just saying that the price of this is inredibly high only beacuse high lvl players are byuing them for so much. i can stand 2 3 or even 4 mill for something this new but 30m? honistly. :roll: i supose i just want a pair of the claws is all... makes me mad i cant make an offer someone would take.

[funnisam]

if people want new stuff then they will pay for it. if you want to complain about being poor that's your own fault. seriously, d claws are worth it though. 50% drain with the spec and hits 4 times, so if you can get a 33-33-33-0 spec, you have koed someone in a spec before they could eat. nuff said.

 

 

 

also i offered a zgs+11m cash for one, which didnt get accepted. so even those more willing to get them wont be able to all the time....

[ultimatballr]

if people want new stuff then they will pay for it. if you want to complain about being poor that's your own fault. seriously, d claws are worth it though. 50% drain with the spec and hits 4 times, so if you can get a 33-33-33-0 spec, you have koed someone in a spec before they could eat. nuff said.

 

 

 

also i offered a zgs+11m cash for one, which didnt get accepted. so even those more willing to get them wont be able to all the time....

 

 

 

 

 

Spec sounds overpowered. Anyone who gets a pair of these better put em to good use fast, I can see Jagex "nerfing" the spec like they did with the MSB.

[lordkrohn1626]

Just wait a month, maybe even 2-3 and buy them then at probably 300k in GE. Wait for the "omg why did my *investment* in dragon claws fail!" threads...followed by "omg I lost 30 mil in the last 2 months on my dragon claws!" threads. Happens every new item, with market saturation, prices WILL fall. I paid 20 million for Guths when it came out, sold years later for 6 million, but who cares, I was willing to pay the price. Same with 7 million for a whip, etc etc. Just wait a bit, and buy at the stabilized price.

[Alg]

This happens at every update, and has happened LONG before the GE.

 

People want to be the first to get an item, so they're willing to pay top coin to do so. Regardless that almost every item is guaranteed to be far lower by the end of the week.

 

 

 

You'll be able to get your claws for a fair price, just wait for the hype to die down, and people will probably pay you to take them :lol:

[RayOxide]

Spec sounds overpowered. Anyone who gets a pair of these better put em to good use fast, I can see Jagex "nerfing" the spec like they did with the MSB.

 

 

 

Well, you need to do the new quest to get these as a drop, and a heap of the people who have done this quest would rather solo/team in GWD for money, so I highly doubt these will be easy to get after they stay at a decent price.

[Aeon_]

Ummm....Since when have they been over one mill?

[Star_Fox]

sure those claws sounds like a good choice for a pvp wep, but it's probably going to take months before you can even come close to the demands. what would it kill you to use a drag dagger for a few months and wait until you can actually buy those claws off the ge? ddp is still a great wep, due to the cheap price and the option to super poison it.

[Skilling0wn]

If people desire a new object, and has the money for it, They buy it for whatever price range they can.

 

 

 

And, If you really want to be a big-shot and buy stuff. Gain cash :lol:

[F0TH]

Just because you dont have the money, doesnt mean that they have to lower there offers, and therefore lower their chance of getting one. The whole point of offering large amounts is to get the first chance of having it. If you cant aford it, then you have to wait. Dont complain about it.

[Cacmypants]

if people want new stuff then they will pay for it. if you want to complain about being poor that's your own fault. seriously, d claws are worth it though. 50% drain with the spec and hits 4 times, so if you can get a 33-33-33-0 spec, you have koed someone in a spec before they could eat. nuff said.

 

 

 

also i offered a zgs+11m cash for one, which didnt get accepted. so even those more willing to get them wont be able to all the time....

 

 

 

 

 

Spec sounds overpowered. Anyone who gets a pair of these better put em to good use fast, I can see Jagex "nerfing" the spec like they did with the MSB.

 

 

 

That's not how the spec works, It works like so:

 

 

 

1. You hit a value, say 30

 

 

 

(you WILL hit EVERYTHING after this point - your first hit makes or breaks the special)

 

 

 

2. Then you hit half of that value = 15

 

 

 

3. Then you hit half of that value twice = ~7

 

 

 

so you end up hitting: 30, 15, 8, 7 (=60)

 

 

 

It works so that you ALWAYS hit double your first hit and I've calculated that the highest possible hit with these claws is ~43, so the max special is:

 

 

 

43, 21, 11, 11 (=86) which is very close to a 1HKO and almost the same as maxing with dharoks

 

 

 

and since you can use the special twice, it's very devistating.

 

 

 

This is what happens if you hit ZERO first. Your recieve 3 more hits, where the first is at full power. If you hit zero for the second, you recieve two more hits, if you hit zero again, your recieve on more. Here's it simplified.

 

 

 

Ideal special:

 

40, 20, 10, 10 = 80

 

Failed first hit:

 

0, 40, 20, 10 = 70

 

Failed first AND second hit:

 

0, 0, 40, 20 = 60

 

Failed first, second AND third hit:

 

0, 0, 0, 40 = 40

 

Failed ALL:

 

0, 0, 0, 0 = 0 (duh)

 

 

 

so, once you've hit some damage, it continues to stack on. There is a VERY low chance of the special hitting nothing.

 

 

 

but, from what I've observed, the effects of the special (in terms of what damage is hit and when) varies ALOT. I believe it is the most complex special jagex have currently developed.

 

 

 

Just have a look at the AGS special, that can potentually hit 75(+?) TWICE, so I dont think d claws are overpowered considering their substantually lower accuracy and strength.

 

 

 

Though, if your first hit for both specials are 25+, it's an instant win against 99hp if the opponent doesn't/can't heal in between.

 

 

 

(25, 12, 7, 6) + (25, 12, 7, 5) = 99

 

< BADASS

 

 

 

I'll probably get a pair when the price dies down, I doubt they will be more expensive than a whip, considering the mediocre stats and lack of shield.

 

 

 

stats:

 

 

Stab = +41

 

Slash = +57

 

Crush = -4

 

 

Stab = +13

 

Slash = +26

 

Crush = +7

 

(It provides more slash defense than a rune defender)

 

 

+56

[ultimatballr]

 

Just have a look at the AGS special, that can potentually hit 75(+?) TWICE, so I dont think d claws are overpowered considering their substantually lower accuracy and strength.

 

 

 

 

 

Then again look at the MSB spec that actually got "nerfed".

 

 

 

Max hit with a MSB and rune arrows, potted and prayed with the MSB spec is what 25 (+/- 1), according to the Tip.It calc. So 25-25... then 25-25 was 100 damage which apparently jagex saw to be unfair in combat.

 

 

 

Hitting a 25 the first time then a 25 the second spec with d claws you have said can total up to 99, wouldn't that be the same thing??

 

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Then again now that I think about it, the D-Bow spec is like 48-48 max with void and that's 96 total. And they haven't nerfed that yet.. I suppose you are correct in saying that it's plausible to think there would be no nerfing needed. I guess Jagex has accepted the fact that their new weapons are going to do some damage, so for those that can afford them are the ones that can reap the benefits as well.

 

 

 

I think I argued against myself rather effectively.. #-o

[Cacmypants]

 

Just have a look at the AGS special, that can potentually hit 75(+?) TWICE, so I dont think d claws are overpowered considering their substantually lower accuracy and strength.

 

 

 

 

 

Then again look at the MSB spec that actually got "nerfed".

 

 

 

Max hit with a MSB and rune arrows, potted and prayed with the MSB spec is what 25 (+/- 1), according to the Tip.It calc. So 25-25... then 25-25 was 100 damage which apparently jagex saw to be unfair in combat.

 

 

 

Hitting a 25 the first time then a 25 the second spec with d claws you have said can total up to 99, wouldn't that be the same thing??

 

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EDIT:

 

 

 

Then again now that I think about it, the D-Bow spec is like 48-48 max with void and that's 96 total. And they haven't nerfed that yet.. I suppose you are correct in saying that it's plausible to think there would be no nerfing needed. I guess Jagex has accepted the fact that their new weapons are going to do some damage, so for those that can afford them are the ones that can reap the benefits as well.

 

 

 

I think I argued against myself rather effectively.. #-o

 

 

 

INDEED!

[Horatio666]

I heard you can only use the spec when you complete "When Guthix Sleeps"

[alcoolj]

You can use the special if you haven't done the quest, and if you are only borrowing the item.

 

 

 

The claws are the best weapon in game for PvPing, Dueling, Bhing etc. Not so great for monster hunting, but these things must surely rise above the cost of whips and stay there for a very long time?

[Chained_life]

Stop complaining, they can do whatever they want with their money, they earned it.

[Cacmypants]

You can use the special if you haven't done the quest, and if you are only borrowing the item.

 

 

 

The claws are the best weapon in game for PvPing, Dueling, Bhing etc. Not so great for monster hunting, but these things must surely rise above the cost of whips and stay there for a very long time?

 

 

 

They prob wont rise above whips, because whips are a more all-rounder weapon that you can use to pk, train AND kill bosses.

 

 

 

the claws only have value for the special which will not always work.

[fat_klutz]

 

Just have a look at the AGS special, that can potentually hit 75(+?) TWICE, so I dont think d claws are overpowered considering their substantually lower accuracy and strength.

 

 

 

 

 

Then again look at the MSB spec that actually got "nerfed".

 

 

 

Max hit with a MSB and rune arrows, potted and prayed with the MSB spec is what 25 (+/- 1), according to the Tip.It calc. So 25-25... then 25-25 was 100 damage which apparently jagex saw to be unfair in combat.

 

 

 

Hitting a 25 the first time then a 25 the second spec with d claws you have said can total up to 99, wouldn't that be the same thing??

 

 

 

 

MSB max hit W/O spec was 23 when it was nerfed. Spec never hits max twice for MSB (at least I don't think it did) so you're actually making it out to be better then it is.

 

 

 

And I doubt these get nerfed because melee is Jagex's love child.

 

 

 

@OP- You're wrong and even if you weren't tough. The reason claws are so high is they are good. Same thing with God Sword. You could buy d-boots when they were new for not a lot.

[bogwaga]

You can use the special if you haven't done the quest, and if you are only borrowing the item.

 

 

 

The claws are the best weapon in game for PvPing, Dueling, Bhing etc. Not so great for monster hunting, but these things must surely rise above the cost of whips and stay there for a very long time?

 

 

 

They prob wont rise above whips, because whips are a more all-rounder weapon that you can use to pk, train AND kill bosses.

 

 

 

the claws only have value for the special which will not always work.

 

 

 

But from the Koing power that these claws have from what I have seen, people will still want them. Then again, looking at D bow, which is also only used for Koing, has dropped below whip, who knows.

[Bombing_7000]

I was exactly like you when they released this quest. I finally notice dragon platebody and claws when a friend Pmed me after finishing the Turkey hunt. After hearing from what he said I thought 150k for a Dragon Claw is quite high for an unknown item. I ignored this until I saw a youtube video starring our new Claws... Look so cool that I thought I could've buy it for 170k lol. Waited for 3 hrs... then a friend told me its 10mil in w2. I gave up at the end.

 

 

 

I hope it stay around 300-500k considering its powerful special.

 

 

 

~Bomb

[runevirage]

So you're crying because you're poor?

 

 

 

Fail. L2p.