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Buying a new computer.. tell me what you think!


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No such thing as "too much power". Of course it'd be a waste of money but that's another story all together.





For video card brands I love ASUS, EVGA and MSI a lot.

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Ok. So power can not harm the computer.. its just a waste of energy.



Now, you went on newegg.com, so it was American priced, i went to .ca, and it was 20$ more. I hate to be a money-saver here, but i went out looking for cheaper ones.



I found 4 extra ones, on top of the one you showed me, which i might still get anyways.



http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6817153028

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6817182159

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6817226002

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6817341012



Me, personally, i like the SIGMA black and blue one. Decent price, and it has a lot of "tech-y" features like fins that protrude to dissipate heat.



And i might still get yours, but out of the 4 here, are any of them as good or better than yours?



I've decided to leave the video cards till the very last post this thread will have, because i have a feeling it will take longer to decide



Starting on the next section : Memory



Now i found this one:

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6820145184

4gb, the other information i cant understand -.- and it had a whopping 741 reviews, and they were for 5/5.



What do you think?
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With reliable brands such as Corsair, FSP, Enermax, SeaSonic etc... You can't go wrong. They all differ, but read reviews (once again....).

The OCZ one then, dunno if the 600 and 500 differs in quality, but the 600 has gotten good reviews so you should be fine with it. Pretty nice price on it too.

There's no point in getting that one with 635w.



I listed the memories because they are good and cheap. As i don't think you'll be overclocking you won't need any faster.

I will take my time and list some video cards with price/performance, then i'll get back to cleaning my room.

Sub 100$ you have 4670, but i think you want more juice (atleast that's how i've understood).

Then for 122 you have.4830, which perform a tiny bit better than 9/8800gt http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6814102803

For 170$ you have 4850 (HIS and Powercolor, both good) http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6814161259

I'm not trying to push ATI product onto you, but the fact is that on the canadian newegg they are the most priceworthy. If you want Nvidia you'll have to pay more for the same performance.

Really, if you don't know what to get: Read reviews!!

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With reliable brands such as Corsair, FSP, Enermax, SeaSonic etc... You can't go wrong. They all differ, but read reviews (once again....).

The OCZ one then, dunno if the 600 and 500 differs in quality, but the 600 has gotten good reviews so you should be fine with it. Pretty nice price on it too.

There's no point in getting that one with 635w.



I listed the memories because they are good and cheap. As i don't think you'll be overclocking you won't need any faster.

I will take my time and list some video cards with price/performance, then i'll get back to cleaning my room.

Sub 100$ you have 4670, but i think you want more juice (atleast that's how i've understood).

Then for 122 you have.4830, which perform a tiny bit better than 9/8800gt http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6814102803

For 170$ you have 4850 (HIS and Powercolor, both good) http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6814161259

I'm not trying to push ATI product onto you, but the fact is that on the canadian newegg they are the most priceworthy. If you want Nvidia you'll have to pay more for the same performance.

Really, if you don't know what to get: Read reviews!!




Hehe.. i can always count on joe, nadril, and jason for nice posts.



So, you recommend the OCZ. The nice blue shark is too powerful, and you recommend the

powercolor and HIS. (That's 2 votes for powercolor now.)



Power supply: I went back to the stealth, and i looked at all the pictures. There were only about 4 cables, which worries me. The main power cable, and 3 different little ones. Now, if you look at the Thermaltake http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6817153028

Its the same voltage, but it has more cables, or at least, more of the smaller ones. It also has a higher rating than the stealth. Do you still recommend the stealth?



Video Card: That's--



Powercolor - 2

HIS - 1

Sapphier - 0

MSI - 0

Vision Tek - 0

Asus - 0



Based on the original 5 that I found.



Il wait a bit longer.. as i would like something like 5 votes on a card; but that can wait.



What do you guys think about that memory? http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6820145184









Next section - Drives





Hard Disk : I really didn't know where to go with that.. cause i keep hearing the word SATA, but i don't know what it is.



Optical Drives : This was a bit better, I wanted a DVD and CD burner. And a DVD and CD Reader.

(This is assuming that burner's cant read)



Burner (DVD) :

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6827151171 -- Samsung (Good company) 22X read. $30.49



Reader (DVD & CD)


http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6827135176 -- Asus, 18X DVD read, 48X CD read. $24.49



http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6827106261 -- LiteOn 16X DVD read (Less than the Asus aforementioned) 48X CD read (Same as the Asus aforementioned). $21.99



DVD reader and CD Burner (I think)

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6827106100 -- LiteOn 16X DVD read,

52X CD-R, 32X CD-RW, 52X CD-ROM, SATA. (<-- ??) $28.49
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The brand doesn't matter that much. Cooling, oc, warranty etc can differ... But it's cheap and it's a good brand, that's why i recommend it.

MSI is probably not a brand i'd buy from, since their capacitors&etc can vary in quality.

Really, Asus/Sapphire/Powercolor/HIS etc... All make good stuff.



I said the OCZ one because it got a very good price, the Sigma one is probably good, but it's more expensive and you don't need 635w for your build (if you're wondering why i recommended a Corsair 650w one to jearkdood, it's because it had a very nice price).

The OCZ psu don't got 4 cables.

"1 x 20+4-pin ATX

1 x 4-pin CPU

1 x 6-pin PCI-E

2 x SATA

4 x Peripheral

1 x Floppy"

More cables doesn't mean more fun! Take a look at my psu in the "computer picture thread" and you'll see more cables isn't always better (ok, i got a bad case but anyways), a big reason to buy a modular psu.

I can't say if the OCZ is good or bad, because i haven't owned one, but it's brother, the 600w one has gotten good reviews.

SATA is the name of the bus that transfers data between the motherboard - harddrive/optical drive...

Here's an optical drive for you... http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6827151179

I've already listed a harddrive for you...



I don't really understand why you gotta make so many pages of this, i made a complete computer on the first page. Sure, you can change whatever you want but i don't understand the idea of going piece by piece. If someone mentions another hardware option, you can check out that and compare them in a review and make up your mind which ones the best.

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The brand doesn't matter that much. Cooling, oc, warranty etc can differ... But it's cheap and it's a good brand, that's why i recommend it.

MSI is probably not a brand i'd buy from, since their capacitors&etc can vary in quality.

Really, Asus/Sapphire/Powercolor/HIS etc... All make good stuff.



I said the OCZ one because it got a very good price, the Sigma one is probably good, but it's more expensive and you don't need 635w for your build (if you're wondering why i recommended a Corsair 650w one to jearkdood, it's because it had a very nice price).

The OCZ psu don't got 4 cables.

"1 x 20+4-pin ATX

1 x 4-pin CPU

1 x 6-pin PCI-E

2 x SATA

4 x Peripheral

1 x Floppy"

More cables doesn't mean more fun! Take a look at my psu in the "computer picture thread" and you'll see more cables isn't always better (ok, i got a base case but anyways), a big reason to buy a modular psu.

I can't say if the OCZ is good or bad, because i haven't owned one, but it's brother, the 600w one has gotten good reviews.

SATA is the name of the bus that transfers data between the motherboard - harddrive/optical drive...

Here's an optical drive for you... http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6827151179

I've already listed a harddrive for you...



I don't really understand why you gotta make so many pages of this, i made a complete computer on the first page. Sure, you can change whatever you want but i don't understand the idea of going piece by piece. If someone mentions another hardware option, you can check out that and compare them in a review and make up your mind which ones the best.




Ok, the optical drive first, its that one i had on my wishlist, which is good. Can it Brun DVDs, as well as CDs? And does that automatically mean it can read them as well?



The Power supply, i understand about the wires, but what happens if i don't have enough for all the "things" in the computer? Would that even happen? Because im only having one of each thing



Motherboard

Hard drive

Optical drive

Video card ( if that even takes power)

The Case Fans

and I think that's it.. all the rest just attaches to the motherboard



do you think the stealth would have enough? based on the pictures of the cables?



And for that last little bit.. I have a tendency to review things hundreds of times before i make my decision. By doing one part at a time, i can make sure im getting the right one. If i pick one, and someone suggests something else, id have to then compare them again, and it would keep happening till a found a "godly" one.



Hope you don't mind about the huge thread :<img src=:' />
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There's something called "specs" next to customer reviews where it states what you get. Yes, it can read and burn, dvd and cd.

It has enough things for a gaming computer. If you need more sata or pci-e connectors you have some molex to play around with.

If you want something that you don't need adapters for - get another psu. As i said, because of it's price it's pretty sweet.

Here you have another psu if you don't want that OCZ http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6817104034

This and the Corsair one i mentioned earlier have more options than the OCZ, but they are a bit more expensiver.

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There's something called "specs" next to customer reviews where it states what you get. Yes, it can read and burn, dvd and cd.

It has enough things for a gaming computer. If you need more sata or pci-e connectors you have some molex to play around with.

If you want something that you don't need adapters for - get another psu. As i said, because of it's price it's pretty sweet.

Here you have another psu if you don't want that OCZ http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6817104034

This and the Corsair one i mentioned earlier have more options than the OCZ, but they are a bit more expensiver.






Yay, I can add the optical drive to the front page post, now that I know that I'm getting it.



PSU - That Blue Storm one is pretty nice.. but here's where i really need your help. Do you know which cables i would need for:



1 Motherboard

1 Optical drive

1 Hard drive

The case fans (3 of em)

1 graphic card (if that even takes power)



Because the stealth might already have enough. and it looks like a more reliable buy than the Blue Storm.
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Motherboard (depends on the mobo) uses the mainconnector 20 or 24 pin.

Optical drive uses one sata, harddrive another sata.

The case fans usually goes into the motherboard, but (if i remember right) if they draw more than 3w each you should connect them to the psu instead. But 80 and slower 120mm are just to plug into the mobo.

The graphic cards, depends on which you choose. If you choose the 4850 it will use one 6pin pci-e connector.



You should never judge on how it looks. FSP is a really good brand, they build quality stuff. On the OCZ psu you had 4 molex connectors if my memory serves me right, which can be used to connect to a bigger graphics card (such a 4870) or more hd's.

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Motherboard (depends on the mobo) uses the mainconnector 20 or 24 pin.

Optical drive uses one sata, harddrive another sata.

The case fans usually goes into the motherboard, but (if i remember right) if they draw more than 3w each you should connect them to the psu instead. But 80 and slower 120mm are just to plug into the mobo.

The graphic cards, depends on which you choose. If you choose the 4850 it will use one 6pin pci-e connector.



You should never judge on how it looks. FSP is a really good brand, they build quality stuff. On the OCZ psu you had 4 molex connectors if my memory serves me right, which can be used to connect to a bigger graphics card (such a 4870) or more hd's.




Ahh, that's what i needed



so:

20-24 pin X1

Sata connectors X2

6 pin pic-e connector X1

If i upgrade my card i'd need a Molex connector.



So as long as it has the first 3 types, im good.



So looking at the stealth

It has everything i need, except the molex, and it has 4 peripherals.

After all that, I think im going to get the Xclio 500W. but what are the perip-s plugs for?

Imma chose the Xcilo over the stealth because the reviews are better, and it comes with additional cables that are in a separate bag.



One last comment i would like on it, has anyone heard anything good about Xcilo? Cause from all the reviews, it seems like a good buy.











Next Section.



Thankfully, i am approaching the end, as i am adding more and more pieces to the front page list.



Only a couple of things remain. First:



RAM. I would like 4gb, and good quality. Thankfully, i found just that. Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) -$67.29 The reason i choose this is because it has 741 reviews, and they mostly all good. (Overall rating is 5/5) And It's also the one that most people bought. However, i don't know the speed, because i cant understand what the numbers represent.



Anyone think it's a good buy?



And the other thing i want to start, leaving the last 3 till the end (Megaboard, Graph- Card, Hard disk) is the processor. You guys have already convinced me to go Quad, but now for the actual piece. I would like 2.6 Ghz Minimum.



Now, Just by looking at the quads, i can tell its going to be an expensive piece. Here are the only two that i would even consider buying.



At 2.66Ghz, and for 329dollars, with a 6mb cache,

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6819115131



And the upgraded version, 2.83Ghz, and for 390 dollars, with a 12mb cache, http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6819115131



Now i am willing to pay the extra little bit for the 2.83 one, but there are couple things that confuse me.



Cache: I see it all the time, but i don't know what it does, and what its for.



The other numbers in the names of the processors:



2.83Ghz one:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor



2.66Ghz one:

Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor



Anyone able to help?
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Oh boy. I don't really know where to start :shock: As for the Quads, games are starting to be optimized for Quads so it's probably worth going for a Quad-Core Processor. Of course the Quad will also make your computer last longer so it's also worth it in the factor. If you can afford the Q9550, by all means go for it. If not a Q9400 is fine.



As for Cache, I can't really explain it so I'll let Wikipedia help me ;)

In computer science, a cache is a collection of data duplicating original values stored elsewhere or computed earlier, where the original data is expensive to fetch (owing to longer access time) or to compute, compared to the cost of reading the cache. In other words, a cache is a temporary storage area where frequently accessed data can be stored for rapid access. Once the data is stored in the cache, future use can be made by accessing the cached copy rather than re-fetching or recomputing the original data, so that the average access time is shorter.



Small memories on or close to the CPU chip can be made faster than the much larger main memory. Most CPUs since the 1980s have used one or more caches, and modern general-purpose CPUs inside personal computers may have as many as half a dozen, each specialized to a different part of the task of executing programs.




If you're looking to save money on Ram you could always get Kingston which are an excellent brand which I personally use. Of course Corsair are an excellent brand so it doesn't matter which one you pick. As for Power Supplies I haven't heard of most of the ones in this topic :? But from the reviews they seem pretty good. Also about the numbers in the CPU 9400 & 9550 are just the names (as far as I'm concerned) and LGA775 is the socket. In this case Socket 775 and 95W is just the Thermal Power if you look under the Specs.
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Oh boy. I don't really know where to start :shock: As for the Quads, games are starting to be optimized for Quads so it's probably worth going for a Quad-Core Processor. Of course the Quad will also make your computer last longer so it's also worth it in the factor. If you can afford the Q9550, by all means go for it. If not a Q9400 is fine.



As for Cache, I can't really explain it so I'll let Wikipedia help me ;)

In computer science, a cache is a collection of data duplicating original values stored elsewhere or computed earlier, where the original data is expensive to fetch (owing to longer access time) or to compute, compared to the cost of reading the cache. In other words, a cache is a temporary storage area where frequently accessed data can be stored for rapid access. Once the data is stored in the cache, future use can be made by accessing the cached copy rather than re-fetching or recomputing the original data, so that the average access time is shorter.



Small memories on or close to the CPU chip can be made faster than the much larger main memory. Most CPUs since the 1980s have used one or more caches, and modern general-purpose CPUs inside personal computers may have as many as half a dozen, each specialized to a different part of the task of executing programs.




If you're looking to save money on Ram you could always get Kingston which are an excellent brand which I personally use. Of course Corsair are an excellent brand so it doesn't matter which one you pick. As for Power Supplies I haven't heard of most of the ones in this topic :? But from the reviews they seem pretty good. Also about the numbers in the CPU 9400 & 9550 are just the names (as far as I'm concerned) and LGA775 is the socket. In this case Socket 775 and 95W is just the Thermal Power if you look under the Specs.




=D> good job Wikipedia.



For the memory, I'll use yours, i compared yours and mine for like 5 minutes, the reviews for both were flawless, and the only advantage mine has is a heat dissipation thing for the memory cards, but my computer is cool enough to begin with, so that's not worth 20$ extra.



Woohoo! One more part down!
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Why doesn't Q66 work for you? Granted it's old, but it costs alot less and is extremely easy to clock.

At those prices, you could get a damn i7 920.

Never heard of that psu brand, and is only 70% certified. Im just gonna say, get a SeaSonic/Corsair/Zalman/FSP or Thermaltake psu, 450-500w with 80+ effeciency and toss a coin.

When it says peripherals, it means molex.

I thought you had a sub 900 budget.

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Why doesn't Q66 work for you? Granted it's old, but it costs alot less and is extremely easy to clock.

At those prices, you could get a damn i7 920.

Never heard of that psu brand, and is only 70% certified. Im just gonna say, get a SeaSonic/Corsair/Zalman/FSP or Thermaltake psu, 450-500w with 80+ effeciency and toss a coin.

When it says peripherals, it means molex.

I thought you had a sub 900 budget.




ya know.. between you and me, i thought i did too. -.- Looks like I'll just have to pull out a bit more reserves. I got $500 extra cash.. soo.



Now. The PSU's have been costing me a lot of trouble. I can obviously change the one I put on the front page, and i might. However, i want to get one last area started today, and il come back to the PSU's on my own time. Hope no one minds.



Now.





Hard Drives.

Looking for only around 500gb, i don't need anything more.



Here's some i picked out. Although the fact that some of them were rated by only a few people unnerves me.



Western Digital Caviar: Rated by over 1500 people, Average rating is 4/5, 500GB @ 3Gb/s, 16mb Cache (Thanks to jason and Wikipedia :thumbup: ) $79.49

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6822136073



Western Digital Caviar: All the same specs as the one aforementioned, which is kinda weird. $73.49

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6822136149



The One I like the Most


Seagate Barracuda 7200: 500Gb @ 3Gb/s, 32mb cache (Over twice as much as the Western Digital ones) 5 year part and labor warranty, FREE SHIPPING, $81.49

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6822148288



Another Seagate one: Seagate SV35: 500GB @ 3Gb/s, 32mb cache, $97.99

http://www.newegg.ca... ... 6822148301



My fave is the barracuda. Anyone got any opinions?
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For the hard drive spend an extra $20 ($99 total) and get a western Digital 1TB. You'll thank yourself in the future.

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For the hard drive spend an extra $20 ($99 total) and get a western Digital 1TB. You'll thank yourself in the future.


That and if you going to use 2 hard drives put a 10k or 15k on your boot hard drive. Then but a 1TB 7200 rpm for your second one.

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Im just gonna say, get a SeaSonic/Corsair/Zalman/FSP or Thermaltake psu, 450-500w with 80+ effeciency and toss a coin.




+1 for sure :D If you want a little head-room for upgrades grab a Corsair 620HX or an Antec NeoPower 650W. Both are made by Seasonic so they're both of excellent quality. I highly recommend you grab one of those if you can afford it and/or looking for that little bit of extra head-room for upgrades. Even if you're not looking for head-room, you could still grab a Corsair 520HX. All of which, BTW, are modular which is always a plus :thumbsup: Of course they don't have to be modular. You could always get something around 500W which isn't modular. Hell, I run a system similar to yours on This (Came with my case, runs everything fine) :<img src=:' />



If you going to use 2 hard drives put a 10k or 15k on your boot hard drive. Then but a 1TB 7200 rpm for your second one.




^ If you're looking for speed, do this. VelociRaptor's are still good so consider that as a boot drive if you're looking for speed. I would assume 150GB would be enough for your OS and whatever else you'd wanna chuck on it.
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New Idea!



Ok. As i was laying in my bed yesterday, and starting to fall asleep, i was thinking of this post. (Am i obsessed or what? :-# ) Anyways, I've created a new way to compare the products on tip it, as i was causing you all to do too much work for me.



Here's the first example. Lets start with the PSU (Get the worst one out of the way)

I'll nominate my fave choices, about 4 or so, and Il compare them, Like this:



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Now as you can see, the Corsair is the best, but it Is the most expensive. Well, Let me know what you guys think!
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Seems to be a good comparison. As I expected, the Corsair one was the best. When it comes to the price of it, I guess you get what you pay for :<img src=:' /> You could go for a Corsair 450VX which isn't modular but it's still very good. Don't let the 450W scare you. It's quite capable of pumping out a lot more than that very consistently and it could easily run your system :)



Boy I'm advertising Corsair a lot. They should start paying me :P
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Seems to be a good comparison. As I expected, the Corsair one was the best. When it comes to the price of it, I guess you get what you pay for :<img src=:' /> You could go for a Corsair 450VX which isn't modular but it's still very good. Don't let the 450W scare you. It's quite capable of pumping out a lot more than that very consistently and it could easily run your system :)



Boy I'm advertising Corsair a lot. They should start paying me :P






Quick question: What does modular do?
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