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i think the visage drop depends actualy on how many times that dragon has been killed, so that may explain how people 'some times' get their visage on their first kill, so who knows? maybe that dragon has been killed oh lets say 1.9k times? maybe it shows how then you come in, kill it, and get visage, so it would say the dragon HAS been KILLED TWO THOUSAND times wouldnt it?


Based on what Jagex has told us about drop rates, I dont think you are right.


Based on sheer logic, I don't think he is right.

If I went to metal dragons, made sure not to kill any other dragon, just that one, certain dragon 2000 times, would I be assured a visage drop?

No, no I would not.
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I highly doubt the theory that every 2000th dragon spawned has a visage(or other examples).



1. I think that would be nearly impossible to do server to server

2. if you notice when you kill something it takes time for the drop to appear; this time is the drop being generated from the table.
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as said before it is a drop chance not a drop rate. i personally have killed 3.2k irons with not even one dragon drop.
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Its just like a roulette table, but with extra roulettes in it.



The 1st roulette has common drops such as gold. To get a rare item, you need to get a certain number. (The chance could be something like 1 in 500*)



Then, you move on to the second roulette. You WILL still have common drops on this roulette. The only difference is that some of them now have drops like visage and d legs.

The chance on this table is something like 1 in 500* for d legs and 1 in 1000* for visage.



So, the TOTAL chances of you getting a visage would be 1 in 5000*. This means that THEORETICALLY you will have to kill 5000* dragons to get a visage. (Score a certain number in Roulette 1 AND Roulette 2) But, this is not perfect as you are ASSUMING that you are score every single combination on the roulettes.



*The numbers I use as examples and are not necessarily correct.



The ring of wealth increases your chances of getting into Roulette 2.



I have gotten a visage before, based on sheer LUCK. I was doing an iron dragon task then. I have killed less than 300 dragons in my whole runescape life.

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Consider my friend got 2 draconic visages from the same skeletal wyvern on a slayer task, i dont think that iron dragon theory would make sense


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yeah its all random and luck i killed less then 10 iron drags in 1 slayer task and got d legs then visage next drop also got 2nd visage few days later at skeletal wyverns less then 20 kills so shame on those slayers that skip them

D.Drops=Skirt9 Med9 Spear2 Visage2 Legs6 boots35 shield half1 whip15 dbow5


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When well people learn? There is no such thing as a drop rate. There never was. Someone who's killed 1 vs someone who's killed 1000 has no less chance of getting a visage. There is no kill counter that decides "oh, you've killed X ammount, better give you a drop."


Lol I would add more but everything that needs to be said has been said to this quote.



OP: I thought it was 1/5000?
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When well people learn? There is no such thing as a drop rate. There never was. Someone who's killed 1 vs someone who's killed 1000 has no less chance of getting a visage. There is no kill counter that decides "oh, you've killed X ammount, better give you a drop."




Yes, i agree, when will people learn? Omg its not a hard concept to understand. According to your logic, i am just as likely to get a fire rune from a flesh crawler as i am as getting an abyssal whip from an Abyssal demon. Sure, i'm not guarenteed an abyssal whip at exactly 450kills. But if i collected data from millions of kills, the average rate I would get an abyssal whip would be close to 1 in 450kills. Its like when you roll a dice 6 times you are more likely to get a 6 than no 6. If 1000000 people signed up for lotto and only one person could win, you would have less chance if you only bought a ticket once than you would if you bought a ticked 1000000 times (over the course of several years). Its not a hard concept to understand.

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Actually you'd have more chances to not get a 6 than a 6. :P
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When well people learn? There is no such thing as a drop rate. There never was. Someone who's killed 1 vs someone who's killed 1000 has no less chance of getting a visage. There is no kill counter that decides "oh, you've killed X ammount, better give you a drop."




Yes, i agree, when will people learn? Omg its not a hard concept to understand. According to your logic, i am just as likely to get a fire rune from a flesh crawler as i am as getting an abyssal whip from an Abyssal demon. Sure, i'm not guarenteed an abyssal whip at exactly 450kills. But if i collected data from millions of kills, the average rate I would get an abyssal whip would be close to 1 in 450kills. Its like when you roll a dice 6 times you are more likely to get a 6 than no 6. If 1000000 people signed up for lotto and only one person could win, you would have less chance if you only bought a ticket once than you would if you bought a ticked 1000000 times (over the course of several years). Its not a hard concept to understand.


....What?

You just condradicted yourself by supplying the "Average drop rate" of a whip...
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don't think about those they are uber rare I had a bunch of iron drags hoping for one. Then I gave up another iron task I just did it anyway 2 kills in I had 4 blue charms 5 soul runes and a vissage \<img src=/' />
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I don't think there are drop rates, I got a dragon claw split in one kill of duoing tormented demons. And 0 drops, not even a shard, after 150+ solo kills.

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I don't think there are drop rates, I got a dragon claw split in one kill of duoing tormented demons. And 0 drops, not even a shard, after 150+ solo kills.


That relates how? :roll: You are just unlucky, can't blame it on anything.
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keep it ontopic, this should be about the drop rate (or chance) from the draconic visage not what drop rate means...

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I'm not going to go into big scary math like other people...



I say to just wait and keep killing... I say you get a drop when you least expect it ;)
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i think the visage drop depends actualy on how many times that dragon has been killed, so that may explain how people 'some times' get their visage on their first kill, so who knows? maybe that dragon has been killed oh lets say 1.9k times? maybe it shows how then you come in, kill it, and get visage, so it would say the dragon HAS been KILLED TWO THOUSAND times wouldnt it?


I agree with this concept a little. I've been at cave horrors thinking about drop rates and that it is possible that a monster spawn has it's drop rate and that when killed it'll drop it's drop (ofc) and then when it spawns it's drop spawns with that particular monster. so the drop rate would come into play when the monster spawns. and i've thought of a way that wealth could work with this as well, as the drop could be 1 herb and x coins, and the wealth affect what kind of herb and how man coins out of that monsters coin drop range. so when a kbd is about to spawn it's drop rate works and it's holding w/e items it's going to drop for that kill. so before the lucky kid that comes onto kbd's turf 1 kills him and get's the vissy drop, a group of people could have been killing all day or something, and that worlds kbd spawns with the vissy drop after they had left.

Idk i just was thinking of possibilities while killing cave horrors for black masks, and go in some trips with 10 kill or 5 kills and get a black mask, then sit there for 200+ kills after that same world and get jack.

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I've gotten 70-99 range on black dragons and 99 slayer and have yet to seen a visage. My advise is don't dwell on it. If you're lucky you'll get one but trying to go after it off a kill is just foolish
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There is no need for Jagex to make an across-server fixed drop rate. So many people kill visage-droppers (or anything that drops rare, valuable stuff) that the Power of Math averages it all out for them.
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Its just like a roulette table, but with extra roulettes in it.

The 1st roulette has common drops such as gold. To get a rare item, you need to get a certain number. (The chance could be something like 1 in 500*)

Then, you move on to the second roulette. You WILL still have common drops on this roulette. The only difference is that some of them now have drops like visage and d legs.

The chance on this table is something like 1 in 500* for d legs and 1 in 1000* for visage.

So, the TOTAL chances of you getting a visage would be 1 in 5000*. This means that THEORETICALLY you will have to kill 5000* dragons to get a visage. (Score a certain number in Roulette 1 AND Roulette 2) But, this is not perfect as you are ASSUMING that you are score every single combination on the roulettes.

*The numbers I use as examples and are not necessarily correct.

The ring of wealth increases your chances of getting into Roulette 2.

I have gotten a visage before, based on sheer LUCK. I was doing an iron dragon task then. I have killed less than 300 dragons in my whole runescape life.

So...you pretty much just made all this up, am I right? :ugeek:

Your theory is interesting but incorrect. The visage is more likely part of a separate drop table entirely, like charms--we can reasonably infer this because it's dropped in addition to the normal drop, not instead of it. And the ring of wealth definitely doesn't work the way you think it does.

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If what Jagex told us is fairly accurate, drops really are more like a roulette wheel (or dice). So the 1/6 example is the perfect one.
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