Slayer..

[Orly_Owl]

Well, I've read some things over the lurking times I've had, and noticed that many people think that melee slayer is the only way to slay.. Now, I myself, and a few friends have slayed range ALOT, and its not really that bad.

 

 

 

Now, when people tell others to train melee via slayer, its not because its fast or good money - because thats extremely hard to put into numbers, like --xp per hour, or --gp per hour..

 

Imo, its because getting slayer up will help you make money via melee later in your.. 'career'.

 

 

 

So why do people say not to train slayer by range?

 

Yeah, its not the fastest.. But neither is melee slayer

 

And its not close to the best moneymaker, but neither is melee slayer.

 

But we get told by the "professional" high level people that training melee by slayer is the best thing you can do.

 

 

 

Why?

[Orly_Owl]

Oh ok then

[hkscaper]

Most slayer tasks ARE faster when you melee them, even if you have a range level comparable to your melee ones. Considering the fact that most players have better melee stats than ranged, it makes the ranged skill seem bad for slayer training. However, with more balanced stats like mine (93 att 92 str 93 def and 92 ranged), I find some slayer tasks (most notably dragons) are faster, or just as fast but cost less with ranged.

[Alg]

I was wondering the same thing. The answer I got was that many people would prefer to train 3 skills at once.

 

It may not be as fast as some powertraining methods in an individual skill, but 3 skills at once is something.

[Inuashakent]

It's all in the numbers. Slayer in itself is a complete skill, so theres a reason to train it... but with the same logic, combat in itself is a skill. Slayer is definetely a slow way to train combat and obtain money, so that's the reason why people say not to train combat with Slayer, but train Slayer with combat.

 

 

 

Nobody's saying to NOT range slayer, we're telling you it's slower, which you admit to. Plus, if you balance out Cannoning and ranging certain tasks ONLY, you can easily get 99 Range through Slayer. Why train slowly when you can train faster?

[langer]

Yeah, bottom line, meleeing slayer is faster than ranging it. I find that a good balance of the two is good and when you start using cannon on specific tasks (dagganoths and kalphites), your ranged will raise without much effort. I used to ranged about 15-20% of my tasks and got 99 ranged during my last 500k xp slayer. It evens out in the long run.

[Orly_Owl]

I know its faster than ranging, bit obvious. But its just hypocritical to tell someone to "not grind, do slayer" or "dont grind for cash, do slayer" for melee, but then tell people the only way to train range is by, well, doing stuff you're telling people not to do, because slayer is a better option.

 

I just dont see why people do that?

 

 

 

@Kent, yes it is slower than melee, but melee is slower via slayer, so why not range via slayer? I find range slayer easier than melee and much less costly, and yeah, dont go on about efficiency. :lol: :P

 

And when I notice someone asking, where should I train range, people just say, ok go to yaks, experiments, dragons, aviansies, or ogres.

 

When I notice someone asking where should I train melee, its usually slayer, armoured zombies, yaks.

 

 

 

Then when I pull out, why not range with slayer?

 

"It's too slow, its not worth the time."

 

:|

[Seraphyna]

Some slayer tasks are not conducive to melee and are much easier to mage or range. However, of those that are easy to melee, it's faster slayer xp to melee them. I personally got 99 str and range from slayer, and it does bug me when people basically say that you NEED to melee slayer tasks. It just isn't true. You can even range waterfiends...I mean really you can range anything and if you can range it you can mage it.

[Owned_Nex]

So why do people say not to train slayer by range?

 

 

 

Because most tasks are more efficiently meleed.

 

 

 

Yeah, its not the fastest.. But neither is melee slayer

 

 

 

Melee is usually the most efficient.

 

 

 

And its not close to the best moneymaker, but neither is melee slayer.

 

 

 

Money is usualy the same, but with melee you get more kills faster. That means more efficiency.

 

 

 

But we get told by the "professional" high level people that training melee by slayer is the best thing you can do.

 

 

 

 

And it is probably true. It's exp/h isin't the highest, but alot of profit can be made.

 

 

 

In the end, its all about efficiency. Why don't we train magic with Ice Barrage? Because it's efficiency is low.

[Orly_Owl]

Pantim you dont get it, and all you did was quote parts where i said melee slayer isnt fast.

 

 

 

Im asking and trying to debate..

 

1. Why not to range slayer IF TRAINING range?

 

2. If range slayer should be actually populated.

[D Jay99]

I think his point is:

 

 

 

Melee is like 100k xp/hour just camping, slayer is like 50k. Ratio of 1:2. Is this the same for range (ex. 60k/hour at yaks 30k/hour slaying), and if yes, why does no one range slay?

[Owned_Nex]

Pantim you dont get it, and all you did was quote parts where i said melee slayer isnt fast.

 

 

 

Im asking and trying to debate..

 

1. Why not to range slayer IF TRAINING range?

 

2. If range slayer should be actually populated.

 

 

 

 

 

The point I am making is you can make more melee, range, and slayer exp if you melee most tasks, and only range/mage the ones you must.

 

 

 

Why not range slayer if you are training ranged? Its faster to get slayer exp with melee, then train ranged. More exp/time.

 

 

 

Should range slayer get popular? No. For the above reason.

 

 

 

I hope you get it after this explination.

[Orly_Owl]

I thank you D Jay.

 

 

 

And, again, Pantim, its training range via slayer. So, if you trained range via slayer for, say 3 hours.. you'd get --xp, and if you trained somewhere for 1 hour 45 minutes, you'd generally get the same xp altogether, BUT, get slayer xp.

 

 

 

So, no it isnt faster ranging the xp you needed and then going to slay melee for the slayer xp, its slower.

 

 

 

And I feel you are saying this because the only range slayer you do is by cannoning.

[Inuashakent]

I know its faster than ranging, bit obvious. But its just hypocritical to tell someone to "not grind, do slayer" or "dont grind for cash, do slayer" for melee, but then tell people the only way to train range is by, well, doing stuff you're telling people not to do, because slayer is a better option.

 

I just dont see why people do that?

 

 

 

@Kent, yes it is slower than melee, but melee is slower via slayer, so why not range via slayer? I find range slayer easier than melee and much less costly, and yeah, dont go on about efficiency. :lol: :P

 

And when I notice someone asking, where should I train range, people just say, ok go to yaks, experiments, dragons, aviansies, or ogres.

 

When I notice someone asking where should I train melee, its usually slayer, armoured zombies, yaks.

 

 

 

Then when I pull out, why not range with slayer?

 

"It's too slow, its not worth the time."

 

:|

 

It's not hyprocritical. You're missing my point.

 

 

 

If you're going to train SLAYER, then theres nothing hypocritical training it efficiently because

 

Slayer in itself is a complete skill, so theres a reason to train it... but with the same logic, combat in itself is a skill. Slayer is definetely a slow way to train combat and obtain money, so that's the reason why people say not to train combat with Slayer, but train Slayer with combat

[Orly_Owl]

'You're missing my point' :|

 

 

 

My point is that if people tell people to melee slayer even when its slow and doesnt make money, yet trains the skill, which is the MAIN basic reason people tell them to (for future epicness like abby demons \ etc), why they dont tell them to range?

 

Yeah I get your point but you dont get mine.

 

 

 

Im still kinda waiting for the right answer to blow the torch.

[Troacctid]

'You're missing my point' :|

 

 

 

My point is that if people tell people to melee slayer even when its slow and doesnt make money, yet trains the skill, which is the MAIN basic reason people tell them to (for future epicness like abby demons \ etc), why they dont tell them to range?

 

Yeah I get your point but you dont get mine.

 

 

 

Im still kinda waiting for the right answer to blow the torch.

 

Oh, easy answer. The people who say to train melee with slayer are usually wrong when they say to train melee with slayer. In the cases where they are right, they'd be saying, "Your slayer level is pretty low...why not train that, since it's worth getting and it lines up nicely with your goal of training melee?" In other words, they are flipping it around and focus on slayer training, with the combat experience as the side benefit.

[pureprayer]

Meleeing a slayer task is usually faster and you can do Aviansies/Chinchompas for better total xp.

[obfuscator]

Range isn't bad at all for several tasks....

[Orly_Owl]

Y Guy gets it.

 

 

 

@Troa, yeah thats actually a realistic answer tbh.

 

Although, even though I do think to myself, "maybe he is telling him to do it because he should get his slayer up" it might not be the exact thing.

 

But do you see, how when someone would ask what to melee for training, they would get "slayer".

 

But when it comes to ranging, its never "slayer", unless someone says "slayer can be good" they usually get flamed or told its not worth the time.

 

 

 

Also, I stumbled across a good guide by "RobinHoodie".. I cant be bothered to find the link, but its great for ranged slayer.

[Inuashakent]

Y Guy gets it.

 

He gets it because he can't compare xp rates? Range isn't bad, but it's definetely not good compared to melee at ANY task.

 

 

 

RobinHoodie... he closed his guide down.

 

 

 

'You're missing my point' :|

 

 

 

My point is that if people tell people to melee slayer even when its slow and doesnt make money, yet trains the skill, which is the MAIN basic reason people tell them to (for future epicness like abby demons \ etc), why they dont tell them to range?

 

Yeah I get your point but you dont get mine.

 

 

 

Im still kinda waiting for the right answer to blow the torch.

 

What? I answered to your point.

 

 

 

People who train Slayer SHOULD train it efficiently because Slayer is a skill. Slayer is definetely an inefficient way to train combat, but Slayer in itself is a skill. Which is why it makes sense to train efficiently.

 

 

 

I get your point, but you're definetely not getting mine.

[Orly_Owl]

If I'm not mistaken you're saying whoever wants to train slayer should do it faster, correct?

 

Thats not the matter here and I already said thats fine.

 

The matter is "pro slayers" never give range slayer a chance and I kinda wanna know why.

[Inuashakent]

We do. :lol:

 

 

 

I guess it's case closed right there... We only recommend it enough to get adequate xp so your Range won't fall behind your other stats. Cannon will give a very decent amount of xp, too.

 

 

 

Range is slower, but we still do train it.

[Orly_Owl]

Well I dont find it closed :P

 

I find it more open now, the main question being..

 

(and i want a serious in depth answer)

 

 

 

Why people never-ever-ever suggest ranged slayer. I mean, the guide by RobinHoodie was great. It proved that range slayer works.

 

And if someone wanted say, a few range AND slayer levels, people always say its more efficient to melee slay and range GRIND.

 

Right.

 

In most cases, its barely more efficient, and grinding just makes you want to die. In some other cases, its not even efficient, but just because melee is seemingly faster, you automatically have to melee slay.

 

 

 

Also, why is it that people always have to use broad bolts for slayer if ranging? Its as if noone can use dragon stone bolts ( :P ). May be costly, but is fast, and maybe faster than melee.

[langer]

I see slayer ranged training being good when you "upgrade" to another slayer master and start getting harder task to melee. This is mainly for low-mid and 115 and lower combat. Getting used to your new master and camping the new harder monster in ranged is better in my opinion. Though at some point, you'll plateau and melee will become faster (less food needed, less banking...). At this point, it's time to upgrade to a new master again. Once you reach a certain level combat-wise with either 68 summoning, guthans or SGS, melee will become the fastest methods for slaying.

[Orly_Owl]

How do you still not get the point of the post?