Help put an end to junk trading

[asianboy7o7]

rune javs alch for profit

 

 

 

alching them gains you like 160gp if you find them

 

alching them as a junk item meaning you paid for it you loss money

 

 

 

it would be good magic exp but not good money while i can lend my sgs and get the pure 314gp each

[magzar]

Jagex needs to realize that solving the problem will not come from changing G.E. Prices. To solve the Junk problem, you simply need to make the junk more useful. Then its not junk anymore, and its like trading 10m gp and coal for something, intead of 10m gp and junk which isnt useful.

 

QFT. Consider that any item, such as whips, Barrows, or Godswords could be considered junk, but their usefulness doesn't allow it to be defined as such. Introduce some NPC that buys the real junk, like unstrung bows or Javelins at a decent price, and the real problem disappears.

 

 

 

If junk trading ended, the runescape economy would crash and that would lead to the GE being more screwed up then it already is.

 

 

 

No.

 

 

 

Don't you realize that using "junk trading" as a means to "escape" the trade limits is nothing more than a delusion? You're not escaping anything; you're burdening yourself or others with absolutely useless junk for them to get rid of.

 

 

 

You are one of maybe two intelligent people posting in this thread

[Seraphi]

What never ceases to amaze me is this; YOU ARE STILL SELLING YOUR ITEMS FOR THE SAME PRICE!!!

 

 

that is the truth behind it, all Jagex really needs to do is find a way to make junk obsolete, then update all the G.E prices in quick succession. that way the merchents don't moan, as they can still sell their items on the grand exchange.

[magzar]

What never ceases to amaze me is this; YOU ARE STILL SELLING YOUR ITEMS FOR THE SAME PRICE!!!

 

 

that is the truth behind it, all Jagex really needs to do is find a way to make junk obsolete, then update all the G.E prices in quick succession. that way the merchents don't moan, as they can still sell their items on the grand exchange.

 

 

 

 

 

i actually agree with you there

[jenova1692]

Though it may seem to a bunch of 13 year olds that selling an item that is set at 3m, along with 47m worth of junk is getting them 50 mil for the item, it isn't. They are still getting 3m for the item. The only difference at all is that they're offloading their junk in the process. This system could makes sense if not for the fact that the junk is totally useless. It cannot be used as currency outside of this kind of trading.

 

 

 

 

No, they are still making that much money, cause the junk is not worth nearly as much as it supposedly is. Now perhaps they don't make the full price (50mil) because they had to do something to get all that junk, but the time and resources they used to get it are not worth nearly as much as the junk is (47mil).

 

 

 

Now I know this method seems kind of stupid, and it is, but its closer to a free market than the GE is.

 

 

 

 

 

Not his item, so Jagex can set the price whatever they want.

 

Remember this is a game, so you cant apply real world economics to it.

 

 

 

Yes its only a game, but like I said before, the fact that the economy used to be based on the player and free trade is what made it so great. While it may not be legally my item, within the game it does belong to my character.

 

 

 

To the guy who said something about a $2 salad, the way that works is the same way min-med-max prices work in runescape. You have a realistic range at which such items are expected to be sold, and are able to choose your own price within that range. If you choose to operate outside that range either no one buys your product, or you are shut down for price gouging, which, in the real world, is illegal.

 

 

 

you like socialism don't you?

[magzar]

socialism?

 

 

 

maybe the salad is a bad example and we should use gas prices instead

 

Gas prices are expected to fall into a certain range and companies are allowed to set their own prices which is obvious if you ever have 2 gas stations across the street from each other

 

so what happens if one company decides to take advantage of a temporary shortage in gasoline and raises prices to $6 a gallon just because people are willing to pay it out of necessity?

 

1. they lose their business

 

2. they receive a hefty fine

 

3. they could receive jail time

 

 

 

so what makes the equivalent of these shady business practices ok in runescape?

[Carl]

This will not happen until such items that are junk traded hit there Street price on the GE.

 

 

 

And yes, the first person to own a new item really is the judge on what price it is.

 

I was in such a position when claws came out that I was one among very very few people to own the claws. I said a price and people wanted it, no matter what. If there was no trade limits it could have been sold for ALOT.

 

 

 

You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading.

 

 

 

I, for one don't want this to happen.

 

Because, as it is only the wealthy can afford decent junk traded items that the average person could have if they were bought on GE.

[jenova1692]

socialism?

 

 

 

maybe the salad is a bad example and we should use gas prices instead

 

Gas prices are expected to fall into a certain range and companies are allowed to set their own prices which is obvious if you ever have 2 gas stations across the street from each other

 

so what happens if one company decides to take advantage of a temporary shortage in gasoline and raises prices to $6 a gallon just because people are willing to pay it out of necessity?

 

1. they lose their business

 

2. they receive a hefty fine

 

3. they could receive jail time

 

 

 

so what makes the equivalent of these shady business practices ok in runescape?

 

 

 

Who doesn't make them ok in the real world? socialists. Thats what it is. Socialism. The government controls the markets. Whats so shady about them charging $6 a gallon for gas? Its not like anyone would buy it if theres one across the street selling for $4 a gallon.

[magzar]

This will not happen until such items that are junk traded hit there Street price on the GE.

 

 

 

And yes, the first person to own a new item really is the judge on what price it is.

 

I was in such a position when claws came out that I was one among very very few people to own the claws. I said a price and people wanted it, no matter what. If there was no trade limits it could have been sold for ALOT.

 

 

 

You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading.

 

 

 

I, for one don't want this to happen.

 

Because, as it is only the wealthy can afford decent junk traded items that the average person could have if they were bought on GE.

 

 

 

 

 

and there's the problem

 

Runescape is a game

 

and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach

 

keep it up and watch what happens

 

a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices

 

and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action

 

 

 

cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness

 

what would you like to destroy next?

[magzar]

socialism?

 

 

 

maybe the salad is a bad example and we should use gas prices instead

 

Gas prices are expected to fall into a certain range and companies are allowed to set their own prices which is obvious if you ever have 2 gas stations across the street from each other

 

so what happens if one company decides to take advantage of a temporary shortage in gasoline and raises prices to $6 a gallon just because people are willing to pay it out of necessity?

 

1. they lose their business

 

2. they receive a hefty fine

 

3. they could receive jail time

 

 

 

so what makes the equivalent of these shady business practices ok in runescape?

 

 

 

Who doesn't make them ok in the real world? socialists. Thats what it is. Socialism. The government controls the markets. Whats so shady about them charging $6 a gallon for gas? Its not like anyone would buy it if theres one across the street selling for $4 a gallon.

 

 

 

now imagine a gas station being the only one for 30 miles, and they decide they want to charge $6 a gallon

[Carl]

This will not happen until such items that are junk traded hit there Street price on the GE.

 

 

 

And yes, the first person to own a new item really is the judge on what price it is.

 

I was in such a position when claws came out that I was one among very very few people to own the claws. I said a price and people wanted it, no matter what. If there was no trade limits it could have been sold for ALOT.

 

 

 

You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading.

 

 

 

I, for one don't want this to happen.

 

Because, as it is only the wealthy can afford decent junk traded items that the average person could have if they were bought on GE.

 

 

 

 

 

and there's the problem

 

Runescape is a game

 

and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach

 

keep it up and watch what happens

 

a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices

 

and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action

 

 

 

cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness

 

what would you like to destroy next?

 

 

 

Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system.

 

Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be.

 

 

 

RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision.

 

 

 

There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update.

 

 

 

Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?!

 

Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex.

[magzar]

This will not happen until such items that are junk traded hit there Street price on the GE.

 

 

 

And yes, the first person to own a new item really is the judge on what price it is.

 

I was in such a position when claws came out that I was one among very very few people to own the claws. I said a price and people wanted it, no matter what. If there was no trade limits it could have been sold for ALOT.

 

 

 

You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading.

 

 

 

I, for one don't want this to happen.

 

Because, as it is only the wealthy can afford decent junk traded items that the average person could have if they were bought on GE.

 

 

 

 

 

and there's the problem

 

Runescape is a game

 

and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach

 

keep it up and watch what happens

 

a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices

 

and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action

 

 

 

cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness

 

what would you like to destroy next?

 

 

 

Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system.

 

Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be.

 

 

 

RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision.

 

 

 

There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update.

 

 

 

Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?!

 

Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex.

 

 

 

by working around the system i mean RWT

 

and considering Jagex is a business their contact information has to be on file

 

if nothing else enough digging would find you their mailing address

 

and enough pissed off soccermoms can drive anyone crazy enough to change things

 

 

 

as far as choosing your own way to play, that's great until it becomes a detriment to the playing experience of others

 

if your choice was to make your character walk around nude(assuming that were possible) people would take offense because it lowers their standard of play

 

placing prices of items out of the reach of non merchants has the same effect

 

Jagex does not want to implement any more restrictions on trade so they are hesitant to make changes but if the practice continues they'll have no choice but to stamp out merchants for the good of the majority the same way you stamp out players with less money for the good of your wallet

 

 

 

i'll be the first to admit it's clever and applaud your ingenuity, but eventually jagex will be forced to stop it, it's just good business

[Carl]

This will not happen until such items that are junk traded hit there Street price on the GE.

 

 

 

And yes, the first person to own a new item really is the judge on what price it is.

 

I was in such a position when claws came out that I was one among very very few people to own the claws. I said a price and people wanted it, no matter what. If there was no trade limits it could have been sold for ALOT.

 

 

 

You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading.

 

 

 

I, for one don't want this to happen.

 

Because, as it is only the wealthy can afford decent junk traded items that the average person could have if they were bought on GE.

 

 

 

 

 

and there's the problem

 

Runescape is a game

 

and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach

 

keep it up and watch what happens

 

a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices

 

and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action

 

 

 

cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness

 

what would you like to destroy next?

 

 

 

Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system.

 

Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be.

 

 

 

RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision.

 

 

 

There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update.

 

 

 

Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?!

 

Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex.

 

 

 

by working around the system i mean RWT

 

and considering Jagex is a business their contact information has to be on file

 

if nothing else enough digging would find you their mailing address

 

and enough pissed off soccermoms can drive anyone crazy enough to change things

 

 

 

as far as choosing your own way to play, that's great until it becomes a detriment to the playing experience of others

 

if your choice was to make your character walk around nude(assuming that were possible) people would take offense because it lowers their standard of play

 

placing prices of items out of the reach of non merchants has the same effect

 

Jagex does not want to implement any more restrictions on trade so they are hesitant to make changes but if the practice continues they'll have no choice but to stamp out merchants for the good of the majority the same way you stamp out players with less money for the good of your wallet

 

 

 

i'll be the first to admit it's clever and applaud your ingenuity, but eventually jagex will be forced to stop it, it's just good business

 

I know enough digging can get you there information (I, myself, have Andrew gower's personal email address and the new head of RuneScape's., but I really don't think Jagex will listen.

 

Whenever they come across something they can't fix, they completely ignore it (From my own personal experience with several Jagex mods).

 

 

 

Merchants have been around since the start of RuneScape's, it's a completely different way of playing RuneScape to some. I myself don't skill, nor train anything. Just merchant and manipulate with my fellow channel members.

 

Fair enough, it is ruining how others play and train but honestly, I don't care. As you said, my wallet's more important than others game play (By that I mean the things I do, I couldn't care about who they affected).

 

Jagex already destroyed the old way of merchanting by implementing trade restrictions, so we have to work around it.

 

 

 

Jagex have already tried cutting down some common items that are used to junk trade, e.g scrolls, pouches. But there's always more.

 

Until they come out with a super-effective way of destroying all junk, nothing will happen.

[magzar]

[hide=]

This will not happen until such items that are junk traded hit there Street price on the GE.

 

 

 

And yes, the first person to own a new item really is the judge on what price it is.

 

I was in such a position when claws came out that I was one among very very few people to own the claws. I said a price and people wanted it, no matter what. If there was no trade limits it could have been sold for ALOT.

 

 

 

You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading.

 

 

 

I, for one don't want this to happen.

 

Because, as it is only the wealthy can afford decent junk traded items that the average person could have if they were bought on GE.

 

 

 

 

 

and there's the problem

 

Runescape is a game

 

and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach

 

keep it up and watch what happens

 

a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices

 

and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action

 

 

 

cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness

 

what would you like to destroy next?

 

 

 

Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system.

 

Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be.

 

 

 

RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision.

 

 

 

There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update.

 

 

 

Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?!

 

Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex.

 

 

 

by working around the system i mean RWT

 

and considering Jagex is a business their contact information has to be on file

 

if nothing else enough digging would find you their mailing address

 

and enough pissed off soccermoms can drive anyone crazy enough to change things

 

 

 

as far as choosing your own way to play, that's great until it becomes a detriment to the playing experience of others

 

if your choice was to make your character walk around nude(assuming that were possible) people would take offense because it lowers their standard of play

 

placing prices of items out of the reach of non merchants has the same effect

 

Jagex does not want to implement any more restrictions on trade so they are hesitant to make changes but if the practice continues they'll have no choice but to stamp out merchants for the good of the majority the same way you stamp out players with less money for the good of your wallet

 

 

 

i'll be the first to admit it's clever and applaud your ingenuity, but eventually jagex will be forced to stop it, it's just good business

 

I know enough digging can get you there information (I, myself, have Andrew gower's personal email address and the new head of RuneScape's., but I really don't think Jagex will listen.

 

Whenever they come across something they can't fix, they completely ignore it (From my own personal experience with several Jagex mods).

 

 

 

Merchants have been around since the start of RuneScape's, it's a completely different way of playing RuneScape to some. I myself don't skill, nor train anything. Just merchant and manipulate with my fellow channel members.

 

Fair enough, it is ruining how others play and train but honestly, I don't care. As you said, my wallet's more important than others game play (By that I mean the things I do, I couldn't care about who they affected).

 

Jagex already destroyed the old way of merchanting by implementing trade restrictions, so we have to work around it.

 

 

 

Jagex have already tried cutting down some common items that are used to junk trade, e.g scrolls, pouches. But there's always more.

 

Until they come out with a super-effective way of destroying all junk, nothing will happen.

[/hide]

 

 

 

yeh the system they implemented trading pouches and scrolls for shards was a step in the right direction

 

i think if they maybe let you trade in unstrung bows for credit for something like arrows/bolts and maybe willow logs could be traded in for credit for planks and whatnot for construction, things like this would cut down on the junk a lot

 

 

 

but that still only partially addresses the problem

 

 

 

and if you're the type of person to fill your pockets at the expense of others in the real world as well as in runescape

 

then i'm sorry to say it, but i wish you all the worst

[Shuri]

So you want everyone to be able to own full dragon and a part hat for 5gp? :wall: You obviously know nothing about scarcity-based economics.

[Carl]

[hide=]

This will not happen until such items that are junk traded hit there Street price on the GE.

 

 

 

And yes, the first person to own a new item really is the judge on what price it is.

 

I was in such a position when claws came out that I was one among very very few people to own the claws. I said a price and people wanted it, no matter what. If there was no trade limits it could have been sold for ALOT.

 

 

 

You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading.

 

 

 

I, for one don't want this to happen.

 

Because, as it is only the wealthy can afford decent junk traded items that the average person could have if they were bought on GE.

 

 

 

 

 

and there's the problem

 

Runescape is a game

 

and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach

 

keep it up and watch what happens

 

a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices

 

and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action

 

 

 

cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness

 

what would you like to destroy next?

 

 

 

Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system.

 

Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be.

 

 

 

RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision.

 

 

 

There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update.

 

 

 

Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?!

 

Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex.

 

 

 

by working around the system i mean RWT

 

and considering Jagex is a business their contact information has to be on file

 

if nothing else enough digging would find you their mailing address

 

and enough pissed off soccermoms can drive anyone crazy enough to change things

 

 

 

as far as choosing your own way to play, that's great until it becomes a detriment to the playing experience of others

 

if your choice was to make your character walk around nude(assuming that were possible) people would take offense because it lowers their standard of play

 

placing prices of items out of the reach of non merchants has the same effect

 

Jagex does not want to implement any more restrictions on trade so they are hesitant to make changes but if the practice continues they'll have no choice but to stamp out merchants for the good of the majority the same way you stamp out players with less money for the good of your wallet

 

 

 

i'll be the first to admit it's clever and applaud your ingenuity, but eventually jagex will be forced to stop it, it's just good business

 

I know enough digging can get you there information (I, myself, have Andrew gower's personal email address and the new head of RuneScape's., but I really don't think Jagex will listen.

 

Whenever they come across something they can't fix, they completely ignore it (From my own personal experience with several Jagex mods).

 

 

 

Merchants have been around since the start of RuneScape's, it's a completely different way of playing RuneScape to some. I myself don't skill, nor train anything. Just merchant and manipulate with my fellow channel members.

 

Fair enough, it is ruining how others play and train but honestly, I don't care. As you said, my wallet's more important than others game play (By that I mean the things I do, I couldn't care about who they affected).

 

Jagex already destroyed the old way of merchanting by implementing trade restrictions, so we have to work around it.

 

 

 

Jagex have already tried cutting down some common items that are used to junk trade, e.g scrolls, pouches. But there's always more.

 

Until they come out with a super-effective way of destroying all junk, nothing will happen.

[/hide]

 

 

 

yeh the system they implemented trading pouches and scrolls for shards was a step in the right direction

 

i think if they maybe let you trade in unstrung bows for credit for something like arrows/bolts and maybe willow logs could be traded in for credit for planks and whatnot for construction, things like this would cut down on the junk a lot

 

 

 

but that still only partially addresses the problem

 

 

 

and if you're the type of person to fill your pockets at the expense of others in the real world as well as in runescape

 

then i'm sorry to say it, but i wish you all the worst

 

 

 

Do that to others in real life? That's not something I'd ever do. Real life is a whole lot different, RuneScape's a game where I can profit of off others. Taking that into the real world when it's not in a full business situation where you're buying and selling goods is something I wouldn't do.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading.

 

Tweaking the percentages wouldn't help much, if the item doesn't have a market to begin with. Getting rid of the items altogether would be just fine.

 

 

 

So you want everyone to be able to own full dragon and a part hat for 5gp? :wall: You obviously know nothing about scarcity-based economics.

 

 

 

And you obviously know nothing of the subject that's being talked about.

[magzar]

So you want everyone to be able to own full dragon and a part hat for 5gp? :wall: You obviously know nothing about scarcity-based economics.

 

 

 

 

 

wow you entirely missed the point, i never said i wanted the items to be cheap

 

things like party hats and what not are already worth huge prices on the g.e. and that's not likely to change

 

i want an end to price gouging, providing general availability of items

 

not to anyone with 10k knocking around

 

but a player with a bank account of 30m should be able to afford good armor and weapons

 

people use rare items as they were never intended to be

 

they set the prices way above what they may actually be worth in comparison to their weaker counterparts

 

 

 

for instance barrows is some of the best equipment in the game

 

yet it is easily affordable to an experienced player and is a good price compared to its effectiveness

 

i would say the same about the whip, they're not something you can play for two weeks and then buy

 

but they're also not something you have to spend countless hours gathering random crap for, even if you are a high level, experienced player, such as is the case with some items

 

 

 

edit: i'm glad to hear you're not that way in real life carl

 

unfortunately the way you do things in runescape may be used as a guideline by other people who may not see it as a problem outside of the game, it's sad but true that values learned in a game can easily be transferred over into real life, and the whole only i matter standpoint is really a horrible thing in any setting

 

it's really a double edged sword

 

you're taking things people pay to be able to get out of their hands so you are hurting people in real life as well

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

@carl0dublin: If you think that junk trades are a simple workaround for a broken system, consider that you're only dethroning a tyrant to put another tyrant in its place.

[magzar]

@carl0dublin: If you think that junk trades are a simple workaround for a broken system, consider that you're only dethroning a tyrant to put another tyrant in its place.

 

 

 

Lulz look at carl's sig

 

he is the tyant :ohnoes:

[Shuri]

 

So you want everyone to be able to own full dragon and a part hat for 5gp? :wall: You obviously know nothing about scarcity-based economics.

 

 

 

And you obviously know nothing of the subject that's being talked about.

 

For the record, this entire thread involves scarcity-based economics inside Runescape.

 

But I was replying to this:

 

The way I see it, on the release of the G.E. Jagex set prices to what they saw as reasonable.This was their attempt to help those players who were not merchants be able to afford some of the better items in the game.

 

From this post and other posts on this thread I have inferred that Magzar believes that the better items in Runescape should belong to all players. Due to these items being inherently more desirable and with a limited supply, their prices rise. Magzar wants these prices to be low. I was pointing out the idiocy in this belief.

[magzar]

 

So you want everyone to be able to own full dragon and a part hat for 5gp? :wall: You obviously know nothing about scarcity-based economics.

 

 

 

And you obviously know nothing of the subject that's being talked about.

 

For the record, this entire thread involves scarcity-based economics inside Runescape.

 

But I was replying to this:

 

The way I see it, on the release of the G.E. Jagex set prices to what they saw as reasonable.This was their attempt to help those players who were not merchants be able to afford some of the better items in the game.

 

From this post and other posts on this thread I have inferred that Magzar believes that the better items in Runescape should belong to all players. Due to these items being inherently more desirable and with a limited supply, their prices rise. Magzar wants these prices to be low. I was pointing out the idiocy in this belief.

 

 

 

 

 

lrn2read

 

 

 

i never said i wanted the prices to be low

 

i want them to be less ridiculously priced

 

but the thread is really about junk trading

 

because no matter how much junk you throw in you're still trading that rare for the exact same damn price as if you didn't add the junk

 

you're just making people buy your useless [cabbage]

[obfuscator]

You fail to realize the problem here. It isn't that junk traders are charging too much, it is that the ge charges too little. The real way to fix this problem is for Jagex to adjust the ge prices to what these rare items are actually worth.

[magzar]

the problem isn't in the prices themselves it's in the fact that junk trading makes no sense

 

you're not getting more money for that rare item, you're just selling more stuff

 

if you really want to off that junk so badly, then sell it in general stores

 

it may not turn as much of a profit

 

but you'll be rid of it and you'll have a handy stack of coins

 

then you can sell your rares for the price you're already selling them for minus the junk

 

and the trading of just the rares will allow the market prices to fluctuate

 

making those prices rise to higher levels and eventually leveling off at a number everyone can be satisfied with

 

expensive, but not exorbitant

 

 

 

i never once said that i think you should be able to go raise money for a day and buy an ags

 

my argument was never really even about prices

 

it was about the fact that junk trading is a ridiculously useless practice that makes no sense and should be done away with in favor of actual cash for item trades like it was in the good old days

[Shuri]

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So you want everyone to be able to own full dragon and a part hat for 5gp? :wall: You obviously know nothing about scarcity-based economics.

 

 

 

And you obviously know nothing of the subject that's being talked about.

 

For the record, this entire thread involves scarcity-based economics inside Runescape.

 

But I was replying to this:

 

The way I see it, on the release of the G.E. Jagex set prices to what they saw as reasonable.This was their attempt to help those players who were not merchants be able to afford some of the better items in the game.

 

From this post and other posts on this thread I have inferred that Magzar believes that the better items in Runescape should belong to all players. Due to these items being inherently more desirable and with a limited supply, their prices rise. Magzar wants these prices to be low. I was pointing out the idiocy in this belief.

 

 

 

 

 

lrn2read

 

 

 

i never said i wanted the prices to be low

 

i want them to be less ridiculously priced

 

but the thread is really about junk trading

 

because no matter how much junk you throw in you're still trading that rare for the exact same damn price as if you didn't add the junk

 

you're just making people buy your useless [cabbage]

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1. They're ridiculously priced by the laws of supply and demand.

 

2.Junk trading falls occurs inside Runescape which essentially a scarcity-based economy.

 

3.Then hasn't junk become a second currency?