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Just to veer of topic a bit, what do you think might cause more body harm or potential death? a common stab you can survive depending on location while a slash not only tears thru skin but also can lop off a limb or two, causing immense blood loss. though this doesnt apply in rs because we have no blood.





exactly. this does not apply in runescape. its just a game so everything should be as fair as possible.



As to the thing about medieval weaponry - in 1 on 1 combat, all kinds of cutting blades were the most powerful. A spear isn't as easy to maneuver, same applies to axes/hammers. For a blunt weapon to be effective, the person had to had great strength.




and why cant a person have great str in runescape? right now about 68500+ ppl have 99 str. a spear might not be easy to maneuver, but it should still be powerful. there isnt a stat in runescape called "maneuverability" or something. spears should be concentrated towards stab and a bit of slash. have you ever seen people in war trying to maul people with a spear??



spears were actually used in hand to hand combat if u had ever watched any chinese war movies. the spear was a versatile and powerful weapon which could easily pierce chain armor and do high damage.

ok longbows and crossbows were powerful but im talking bout melee so range is out of the question.

so if your theory was true, it would be better to kill someone in war in a hit so axes and spears which were more powerful, would be better than a sword. so that proves my point that games are biased towardss swords.





Because movies are different from reality. we have proof of more swordsmanship that spear work, and im pritty sure the English/British army back then were more tipped in scales towards the classic of weaponry with Longswords and Claymores.





fine no movies. but if you checked out wikipedia or any encyclopedia, the spear was called the "king of all weapons" in Chinese. a weapon that was crap would never have got this title.

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Just to veer of topic a bit, what do you think might cause more body harm or potential death? a common stab you can survive depending on location while a slash not only tears thru skin but also can lop off a limb or two, causing immense blood loss. though this doesnt apply in rs because we have no blood. :lol:




Haha, yes. Slashing weapons tend to produce more lethal wounds. A decapitation is an instant death, a well-placed slash across the chest is too. With a stabbing weapon, you need great precision, knowledge of human body and quick reaction (quicker than for a sword or a sabre). Of course, spears have greater reach, but in 1-on-1 combat, that is negated by the weapon's bulkiness.



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exactly. this does not apply in runescape. its just a game so everything should be as fair as possible.




You used real-life examples, so I retorted with real-life examples. In a game, it's up to the developers. They seem to favor slashing weapons, can't do much about it, it's personal preference.



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and why cant a person have great str in runescape? right now about 68500+ ppl have 99 str. a spear might not be easy to maneuver, but it should still be powerful. there isnt a stat in runescape called "maneuverability" or something. spears should be concentrated towards stab and a bit of slash. have you ever seen people in war trying to maul people with a spear??






At the same level of strength, slashing weapons are still more effective. What is better with huge strength, a powerful blunt blow, or a slash that nearly cuts the enemy in two?



fine no movies. but if you checked out wikipedia or any encyclopedia, the spear was called the "king of all weapons" in Chinese. a weapon that was crap would never have got this title.




Never rely on wikipedia for facts. Just an advise :<img src=:' />



As to the Chinese and spears, like I said, spears are a decent weapon, just not in the sort of combat that Runescape has to offer.
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so what if a slashing weapon is better than a crushing one? scimitars are still supremely overpowered. Also, maces and hammers dont do enough damage on plate armor to be used effectively.

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Before you make me look like an idiot: You quoted someone else twice with my name. :wall:



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Before you make me look like an idiot: You quoted someone else twice with my name. :wall:



(You Might want to re-check who said what)




Ah, but don't worry, I corrected the misquotings (sort of) ;)
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Runescape is FAR from real life seriously. Who can carry a few billion coins in their backpack? Who walks around with 28 swordfishes jabbing out of their backpack in all directions? How can a weapon be used for 5 years and not be dulled? How can a whip(string) be more powerful(in strength) than a solid sword made of metal??

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So, what is your point? If this is just a game, and is far away from reality, why not make a whip stronger than a sword? It's a game, after all.
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i think that the weapons are fine as they are now, maybe a little tweaking needed for warhammers, longswords and shortswords, but the rest are just fine. I see people in F2P training with Rune Scimys, Baxes, 2Hs, Longswords (not saying that theyre all good...) but I think the players are fine with how the weapons are.



Personally, I love to bring a Rune Dagger with me when Im in PvP Worlds (I only go F2P PvP, avoiding D Claws PJers as much as possible...) and they own when I find a person in a chainbody or if I no arm people.




Rune shortsword is better stab then dagger.




but i still use dagger because of the speed


That's a terrible idea. Scimitar will outhit dagger 3 to 2 on any armor.


Dagger v Rune plate?

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The sara sword and the zammy spear are both inferior to the whip because they cannot be wielded with a defender. Or anything else for that matter, you are giving up an entire armour slot just to wield a weapon that is only as powerful as a whip.


Defenders arnt exactly a prize winner themselfs, they add only a mere amount of strength bonus, something i can replace with prayer and at a higher defence the missing sheild slot makes up for it.



and yes sees_all1. now bow before me. :lol:


Attack bonuses?? Defenders are pretty good man. Maybe you just dont like them cuz you cant get em =P.

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The 19 bonus slash attack is actually a lot. I know that the attack bonus ain't linear, but 19 compared to the whip's basic 82 is A LOT.
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At the same level of strength, slashing weapons are still more effective. What is better with huge strength, a powerful blunt blow, or a slash that nearly cuts the enemy in two?

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Breake some ribs and make those perforate the internal organs? :?

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At the same level of strength, slashing weapons are still more effective. What is better with huge strength, a powerful blunt blow, or a slash that nearly cuts the enemy in two?

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Breake some ribs and make those perforate the internal organs? :?




Are you 100% sure that the blow will break the ribs, and those will perforate enough vital organs?



Allright, let's stop this, I am getting very nitpicky :oops:
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Attack bonuses?? Defenders are pretty good man. Maybe you just dont like them cuz you cant get em =P.


Actully i have 10, but i prefer a Dragon Sq for more defence. :<img src=:' />

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you all are getting off topic. What i want to change is the fact that slashing weps tear through BOTH mage armor and ranged armor. However, crushing weps arent even really effective enough on plate armor to be used. Dont get me started on the crappy stab weps that are "effective" on chain armor(which no one uses anyway since crush is too weak for people to think about defending against it). BTW if crush was to be upgraded, chain should also be upgraded to be as good as plate to stop crush from overpowering.

It doesnt really matter so much about whether something is reality or not in RS. Its more important that the weps are treated equally. SO STOP saying that a slash in real life does more dmg than a crush/stab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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F2P here so most of this discussion I don't really have to worry about, but I did find this quote =D





Like the gladius, the pugio was a stabbing weapon, the type preferred by the Romans. Of them Vegetius says[2]:



A stroke with the edges, though made with ever so much force, seldom kills, .... On the contrary, a stab, though it penetrates but two inches, is generally fatal. ... the body is covered while a thrust is given, and the adversary receives the point before he sees the sword. This was the method of fighting principally used by the Romans ....





Edit: But then again these were Romans, who carried darts, dagger, sword, multiple spears....

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Crush weapons should be overwhelmingly better on plates than stab/slash weapons. Not have a extremely small advantage that is offset completely by the fact that almost all crush weapons are slow and weak.
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Attack bonuses?? Defenders are pretty good man. Maybe you just dont like them cuz you cant get em =P.


Actully i have 10, but i prefer a Dragon Sq for more defence. :<img src=:' />




I was actually trying to talk to TheDayRSDied. Lol, I also have many, I think 18 or 19, all from spare tokens :<img src=:' /> .

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Thanks for the support guys :thumbsup:



I think i also read such an article, about something like a slashing wep is slower than a stabbing wep, though more powerful, when striking, it leaves your right (or left, depending on whether u are right or left handed) side undefended, allowing opponents with a faster stabbing weapon to get a free shot at you.

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