Feminism

[KnightLite]

Thanks Maddox

 

 

 

Why do so many women insist on carrying out this war against men? Absolute gender equality isn't going to happen; we have gender equality now. Even if in a million years, men and women somehow made this unrealistic ideal happen, there will always be a sexual distinction between men and women causing some sort of inequality (if only on the level of basic physical needs). Or should I say women and men, as not to imply a male superiority? Why the hell should people go out of their way to be politically correct and use this "he/she" nonsense so a few chicks with language complexes won't be offended? Oops, I said "chicks". Damn.

 

 

 

Why the hell do women get offended when they're called chicks? I don't see how that word can be remotely offensive in anyway. But, some women think it's derogatory and belittling. Some women are so petty, that they resent any male implication in the english language. Who cares? What if guys suddenly felt like [bleep]ing and wanted to eradicate all the derogatory male phrases from the language? Buster, Pal, Buddy, Stud, Hunk. Oooh, don't call me a buster, I'll be offended.

 

 

 

Who's to say what's offensive anyway? Just because a few feminist extremists think that something's offensive, does the whole society have to change their way of doing things? I don't want mother nature being called mother nature anymore, but rather father nature. I don't want ships to be referred to as female anymore, but rather male. The phrase "she's a good ship" offends me. I don't want liberty to be a lady. Why does it have to be lady liberty? Why do people say "she's beautiful" when referring to cars? Why not he? Who cares? It's just the way things have always been. It's not meant to be offensive, so why doesn't the offended party pull their head out of their [wagon], and stop [bleep]ing about it.

 

 

 

Why there will never be absolute gender equality is because of the inherent contradictions between equality and liberty. For example, if a guy wanted to say a joke about women at work, or hung pornography in the work place, it would make the women work in an environment that may seem hostile to them. If someone at work frequently referred to women as chicks, and a woman was offended by it, the woman would then be working in a hostile environment. If a woman wants to be treated equally in the work place, then she shouldn't be offended at what guys usually talk about. I think it's unreasonable for all women to be content with whatever people do at work, and for guys to go out of their way to change their lifestyles to conform to what's politically correct. It's impossible to live your life without being offended at something. Violence, foul language, pornography, sex, religion, whatever it is, you're bound to be offended by it sooner or later. So rather than [bleep]ing about it, just deal with it and move on. Men aren't out to get women; we're not the bad guys.

 

 

 

Why would anyone do anything that's degrading to themselves? Would you strip down in front of a crowd of people? Probably not. But would you do it if they were paying you $250 per hour? Or if they paid you $1000 per hour? Maybe then. It doesn't seem so degrading when there's a huge incentive for you to do it. So why do some feminist extremists think pornography is degrading to women? Obviously the women in pornography don't think it's degrading, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Their dignity has a price, and they were willing to sell it. They don't represent all women in general, but only the few who chose to go into that business, just as women who choose not to go into pornography don't represent the women who do. So the phrase "pornography is degrading to women" doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

What's the point of not shaving your armpits and not wearing your bras? If you like yourself better with hairy armpits, then by all means don't shave. But if you're not shaving to make some stupid point, you'r a fool. Nobody cares. You won't be a social outcast if you don't shave your armpits. Same thing goes for not wearing a bra. If you'd rather not wear a bra, then don't. If you want to walk around in public without your shirt on, then by all means do it. I'm sure most guys wouldn't mind. If you want that kind of attention, then walk around naked. It won't help your image with men that already think of women as little more than sex objects. What straight man wouldn't like to see a nude woman? I think women, nude or not, are attractive, as do most guys. I'd consider someone looking at me in admiration more of a compliment than anything else. Some feminists go ballistic when a guy looks at her breasts. Why? Not wearing a bra just draws more attention to a woman's breasts. While women shouldn't have to worry about some pervert always staring at them, it's bound to happen. Wait.. I've got an idea. If you don't like guys staring at your breasts, WEAR A BRA. It's hard not to notice a girl when she has a pair of daggers poking out of her chest. I referred to nipples as daggers.. Oops. There I go again, offending you crazy feminists. While most guys don't practice self-dicipline and don't respect women enough not to stare at their breasts, a woman shouldn't go ape [cabbage] when she catches a guy looking at her. Most women try to accentuate parts of their body that men find attractive anyway. Is this so bad? Who doesn't like to feel attractive? While it can be overdone, it's really been blown out of proportion by feminist extremists.

 

 

 

Feminism is in a lot of ways like fascism. Your average Fascist will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief. The ideology comes first and the Fascist looks for anything to back it up, no matter how trivial, unreliable or discredited. Much like today's feminists and their ideology. Fascists attempt to rationalize their beliefs and portray them as truth by twisting the facts. A fascist might, for example, cast blame for unemployment and work discontent on immigrants "stealing" their jobs. Feminists similarly cast blame for women's lower average pay onto another party (men). Both feminists and fascists are quick to cast blame on someone else for anything that goes wrong in their lives. Most feminists seem to conform to feminist stereotypes. I can usually pick out a feminist in a croud of women. She'll usually have short hair, regular pants, a regular shirt, and an unbathed look; she'll look very much like a stereotypical guy. I think why a feminist might appear like this is to make a statement that "if men can do it and be accepted, then women should be able to". How bold, to go around and look like a stereotypical guy as opposed to a stereotypical girl. Who cares? Either way, you're an [wagon] for thinking anybody cares about the statement you're making. If you're trying to prove a point to the average guy that's only concerned with women as sex objects, you're wasting your time. A guy that's concerned with women as sex objects is going to be concerned with women as sex objects regardless of how you look. Not every woman will share feminist ideals, so a possible argument that "if all women did it, then guys would have to respect us" isn't very realistic. If you really want to make a point, surgically remove your breasts. Or is that going too far? Feminism serves as nothing more than a wedge to further seperate the sexes, segregating men and women into cultures that wouldn't otherwise exist.

 

 

 

I'm pretty damn sick of hearing feminists [bleep] about men being paid more then women. If 100 male chemical engineers that worked for fortune 500 companies were compared to 100 female chemical engineers that worked for fortune 500 companies, their pay would probably be the same, if not very close. If it were not, then sexual discrimination would probably be a good candidate as to why it's not. The reason why women get paid less than men on average is because women and men simply prefer different occupations, and different lifestyles. If a woman decides to have a child, chances are that she would end up taking more time off from work to take care of her child than would a guy (if only for child labor alone). It's unfair, but usually the case. Women are usually more family oriented, and nurturing, while men are usually less sensitive and work oriented. All this is of course changing, but it's to be expected that women get paid less than men. If for example, pay for men in the armed forces was compared to pay for women in the armed forces, the men would probably swamp the women in pay comparison simply because of the militariy's past male domination & segregation policies. That does not necessarily imply the same segregation today.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited the title, moved the 'Thanks Maddox' up so people know.

[baalboy5]

Holy crap that was a long read, but you make alot of good points.

 

I agree, I hate feminst that go out of their way to make a statement, geez just shut up.

 

They act like the world agianst them, your just 1 of the billions of females in this world, if something is different Im sure Congress would've been on it by now.

[mmmcannibalism]

I have to agree feminism really overdoes it. Trying to achive gender equality to the extent it is possible(Im sorry women you will always have more trouble with urinals) is a noble cause, but when you start playing victim I stop caring about your cause. A problem with the feminist movement in America is that it is largely tied up in far left causes such as legalizing abortion. Clearly, abortion is a seperate debate I dont want to get into here, but similair political causes make feminism lose its real meaning.

[ElkNight]

Holy crap that was a long read, but you make alot of good points.

 

I agree, I hate feminst that go out of their way to make a statement, geez just shut up.

 

They act like the world agianst them, your just 1 of the billions of females in this world, if something is different Im sure Congress would've been on it by now.

 

You say that as if he wrote it.

 

He just copied it from maddox.

 

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=feminazi

[BlackDawn]

You sir, win every internet in existance.

[Laura]

I certainly will, and have, made broad statements towards the equality of females. Being an [wagon], because no one cares? People do care, plenty do. Women get paid less than men, significantly. Using the army is one example of many. Why shouldn't women get paid more for being a customer representative? Women are usually more benevolent, right? And, I could say the same for your statement; why should you care? Should we deem you as an [wagon] because you care about the statements of others?

 

 

 

I wrote this with the impression that you wrote this. Damn.

[Lenin64]

Your average Fascist will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief.

 

So will your average Christian Fundamentalist.

 

 

 

Oooh......

[magekillr]

Are you seriously using a word that Rush Limbaugh invented, and attacking women that strive for equality? Really? Why do you make this seem like it's a war of women against men? I'm a feminist, and I'm very vocal about it, but I am by no means a woman lol. I'll address the bulk of your post when I have the energy. I just got back from teaching a merit badge all day, so I'm tired.

[ember3579]

Your average Fascist will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief.

 

So will your average Christian Fundamentalist.

 

 

 

Oooh......

 

 

 

 

 

For the record, the key word in that statement is Fundamentalist. The vast majority of Christians are interested in scientific efforts for various reasons; some want a more precise description of how the world was made than is shown in the Bible without having to ask after they die, some want to try and further the quality of life on this planet, some want to help fix the planet directly, some just want to see what humanity can reach without any outside assistance. I'm a bit of all of them, myself.

 

 

 

Yeah, your average feminist isn't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. If they looked at most of the things they do logically, they'd realize that they're just trivializing their own cause by their actions. Really, from my perspective, most of these people are a form of the stereotypical "Attention [bleep]". If they tried being reasonable, then I'm certain a LOT more people would be sympathetic.

[rangeor]

Read this before. I think it all makes great points excluding the last paragraph. Women get paid less than men and there's no use in hiding it.

[mmmcannibalism]

Read this before. I think it all makes great points excluding the last paragraph. Women get paid less than men and there's no use in hiding it.

 

 

 

This is the main thing that should be addressed feminism wise. Pay inequality is a fairly bad problem that needs to be adressed, my problem as said comes from trying to use feminism to play a gender card.

[megakiller32]

I agree with many of the points but not all of them, for example-

 

if a guy wanted to say a joke about women at work, or hung pornography in the work place, it would make the women work in an environment that may seem hostile to them. If someone at work frequently referred to women as chicks, and a woman was offended by it, the woman would then be working in a hostile environment. If a woman wants to be treated equally in the work place, then she shouldn't be offended at what guys usually talk about.

 

She can be offended, because hanging porn in the work place isn't really a normal thing...as far as I know anyway.

 

If she wants to complain, she should complain, so long as she isn't a feminazi as described.

 

 

 

I think women deserve equal rights, but feminazis don't, just to prove a point. :D

[i_love_burritos]

Where did you get this from ?

 

 

 

I know Maddox's site, but I've never seen or heard of this article.

 

Can someone link me step by step ?

[Sly_Wizard]

The only feminazis I hate are the members of NOW.

[KnightLite]

I certainly will, and have, made broad statements towards the equality of females. Being an [wagon], because no one cares? People do care, plenty do. Women get paid less than men, significantly. Using the army is one example of many. Why shouldn't women get paid more for being a customer representative? ----------Women are usually more benevolent, right?------------ And, I could say the same for your statement; why should you care? Should we deem you as an [wagon] because you care about the statements of others?

 

 

 

I wrote this with the impression that you wrote this. Damn.

 

 

 

Congrats, you're a sexist. I could take offense to that statement much like feminists take offense to anything that involves men, but I can refrain. I don't try to change the world and people around me just to suit me better.

 

 

 

 

 

Your average Fascist will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief.

 

So will your average Christian Fundamentalist.

 

 

 

Oooh......

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you seriously using a word that Rush Limbaugh invented, and attacking women that strive for equality? Really? Why do you make this seem like it's a war of women against men? I'm a feminist, and I'm very vocal about it, but I am by no means a woman lol. I'll address the bulk of your post when I have the energy. I just got back from teaching a merit badge all day, so I'm tired.

 

 

 

 
fem?i?nism? ?/?f?m??n?z?m/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fem-uh-niz-uhm] Show IPA Pronunciation
 
 
 
noun 1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
 
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.
 
 
 
Origin:
 
189095

 
 
 

 
Rush Hudson Limbaugh III (born January 12, 1951) is an American radio host and conservative political commentator.

 

 

 

You honestly didn't read more than three consecutive lines of this thread. You saw Feminism and Nazi, got offended, and posted. Read the first paragraph of this topic. It should answer that second question of yours Mr. ShortSkirt.

 

 

 

Read this before. I think it all makes great points excluding the last paragraph. Women get paid less than men and there's no use in hiding it.

 

 

The reason why women get paid less than men on average is because women and men simply prefer different occupations, and different lifestyles. If a woman decides to have a child, chances are that she would end up taking more time off from work to take care of her child than would a guy (if only for child labor alone). It's unfair, but usually the case. Women are usually more family oriented, and nurturing, while men are usually less sensitive and work oriented.

[IGoddessI]

At least use real statistics and some sources. You obviously have a strong opinion, so try supporting your arguments.

[warri0r45]

I certainly will, and have, made broad statements towards the equality of females. Being an [wagon], because no one cares? People do care, plenty do. Women get paid less than men, significantly. Using the army is one example of many. Why shouldn't women get paid more for being a customer representative? ----------Women are usually more benevolent, right?------------ And, I could say the same for your statement; why should you care? Should we deem you as an [wagon] because you care about the statements of others?

 

 

 

I wrote this with the impression that you wrote this. Damn.

 

 

 

Congrats, you're a sexist. I could take offense to that statement much like feminists take offense to anything that involves men, but I can refrain. I don't try to change the world and people around me just to suit me better.

 

 

 

Pointing out differences in the sexes is hardly sexist. Maybe I'd agree with you if she said men are inferior as a sex because of that, but until then I think you're jumping to conclusions.

 

 

 

Other than that, I agree with goddess. If you want to make a strong argument, back it up with some real sources with real data.

[mega_vegeta6]

 

 

The reason why women get paid less than men on average is because women and men simply prefer different occupations, and different lifestyles. If a woman decides to have a child, chances are that she would end up taking more time off from work to take care of her child than would a guy (if only for child labor alone). It's unfair, but usually the case. Women are usually more family oriented, and nurturing, while men are usually less sensitive and work oriented.

 

But also get paid less per hour in many cases. In wich, The time that you actually do work, Is not important.

 

 

 

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Offencive has a fine line. [racist term] is no more offensive than afro-americans, because not all black skinned people are americans. Although there are quite a few [racist term]s in america, What right is theirs to ban a word used by people all over the world. In the end, It's just a word to identify something/someone out of it's surroundings, wich are what they were made for. There are more than just [racist term] that's become "offencive" or downgrading. It's a shame that this will kill the use of many words, and strengthen the false meaning of words, changing them forever.

 

 

 

Edit: Well that's a coincidence. You all know what it means though, and preventing it's use is clearly bad for the language.

[mmmcannibalism]

The reason why women get paid less than men on average is because women and men simply prefer different occupations, and different lifestyles. If a woman decides to have a child, chances are that she would end up taking more time off from work to take care of her child than would a guy (if only for child labor alone). It's unfair, but usually the case. Women are usually more family oriented, and nurturing, while men are usually less sensitive and work oriented.

 

 

 

Im pretty sure they compare people at the same job for those types of statistics. The problem isnt that female waitress gets paid less then male theoretical physicist, its female waitress getting paid less then male waitress.

 

 

 

I generally agree with what that story says, the problem is that its a little too over the top so it makes anti feminist statements look bad.

[fastortoise]

This comment may be off-topic because I didn't read the article, mainly because i'm super important and have better things to do, but the big theme behind feminism is all the double standards. There are thousands of them, and they are almost all impossible to destroy if we don't change our mindset (which has deep roots in pretty much every single culture).

 

 

 

That being said, feminism nazis ARE very annoying and have slanted views of things, but so do extremists of everything else. Nothing new, really.

[anonymous1234]

The reason why women get paid less than men on average is because women and men simply prefer different occupations, and different lifestyles. If a woman decides to have a child, chances are that she would end up taking more time off from work to take care of her child than would a guy (if only for child labor alone). It's unfair, but usually the case. Women are usually more family oriented, and nurturing, while men are usually less sensitive and work oriented.

 

 

 

Im pretty sure they compare people at the same job for those types of statistics. The problem isnt that female waitress gets paid less then male theoretical physicist, its female waitress getting paid less then male waitress.

 

 

 

I generally agree with what that story says, the problem is that its a little too over the top so it makes anti feminist statements look bad.

 

Uhhhh :uhh:

[mmmcannibalism]

eh so i called male waiters waitresses

 

 

 

the point is the problem isnt if girls get paid less then guys, its if a girl is getting paid less then a guy for the same job.

[Collective]

eh so i called male waiters waitresses

 

 

 

the point is the problem isnt if girls get paid less then guys, its if a girl is getting paid less then a guy for the same job.

 

That is a problem, and of course there should be equal pay for equal work and equal opportunities for equal skills. Increasingly, though, governments are looking not just at the difference in pay between men and women doing the same job, but the difference in pay between men and women doing different jobs.

 

 

 

This is a good example of that. They are proposing the creation of a league table that effectively ignores the fact that different industries have different levels of male/female applicants. In some industries women actually get paid more than men.

 

 

 

I have no problem with the vast majority of feminists because they believe in the same kind of equality I do. However the feminists in government are going way beyond equal opportunities and seeking to actively discriminate towards women, often quite openly.

[Laura]

Congrats, you're a sexist. I could take offense to that statement much like feminists take offense to anything that involves men, but I can refrain. I don't try to change the world and people around me just to suit me better.

 

Coming from the person who posts that all feminists are the equivalent of a Nazi. I'll try not to take offense. Like Goddess said, those are some pretty large allegations based on opinion. The author you essentially plagiarized is ignorant, insensitive, and an [wagon], so I don't know why you'd quote him. Until then, I suggest you Google the differences between testosterone and estrogen before calling me a sexist.

[magekillr]

Congrats, you're a sexist. I could take offense to that statement much like feminists take offense to anything that involves men, but I can refrain. I don't try to change the world and people around me just to suit me better.

 

Coming from the person who posts that all feminists are the equivalent of a Nazi. I'll try not to take offense. Like Goddess said, those are some pretty large allegations based on opinion. The author you essentially plagiarized is ignorant, insensitive, and an [wagon], so I don't know why you'd quote him. Until then, I suggest you Google the differences between testosterone and estrogen before calling me a sexist.

 

 

 

Very shrewd, well done.

 

 

 

http://www.vivalafeminista.com/2008/10/ ... forum.html

 

 

 

Unfortunately, a lot of men feel this way. It's the inability to understand structural and historical barriers, the need to lump sensitivity in with political correctness, and desire to blind oneself to truth in favor of self-preservation.

 

 

 

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