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there is never going to be sexual equality - fact

 

 

 

this doesn't mean we shouldn't try and reduce the gap, parts of the article imo makes it sound like its a lost cause and give up

 

 

 

i do agree that there are women who push to much for equality such as with semantics and little things which are just bull [cabbage] instead of focusing on the big picture, as the beginning of the article stated more

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So if he's essentially plagiarized, why is this still here? Not to mention his spam thread, re posting things that mods have deleted, suggestions to participate in domestic violence, insulting other members and nothing has been done because he's "entitled to his opinion". Very slack!! :thumbdown:

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suggestions to participate in domestic violence

 

 

 

Hello Friend,

 

 

 

You use negative connotation in this statement? I confuse. Could you explain why westerner don't like woman being put in her place. And please use aggressiveness in reply, you know I like.

 

 

 

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So if he's essentially plagiarized, why is this still here? Not to mention his spam thread, re posting things that mods have deleted, suggestions to participate in domestic violence, insulting other members and nothing has been done because he's "entitled to his opinion". Very slack!! :thumbdown:

 

Just because he plagiarized doesn't mean it's any less of his opinion. And i've seen much worse in this forum mods have done nothing about.

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So the phrase "pornography is degrading to women" doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

Exactly. Both parties here (usually) consent, so it's their choice on this.

 

 

 

Feminism is in a lot of ways like fascism. Your average Fascist will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief. The ideology comes first and the Fascist looks for anything to back it up, no matter how trivial, unreliable or discredited.

 

 

 

Sounds like your everyday religious fundamentalist. Religion and gender are not tied together, so it's a pretty weak analogy if you ask me. I think everyone should be born equally, and jobs and such should be given without basis being placed on gender.

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Interesting post.

 

 

 

While I generally agree, there are some points that I'd like to address.

 

 

 

"Who's to say what's offensive anyway? Just because a few feminist extremists think that something's offensive, does the whole society have to change their way of doing things?"

 

 

 

-Society, by its nature, changes and adapts along with people, because society is composed of people. Naturally, there have to be more than a few feminists, otherwise the change wouldn't be so noticeable.

 

 

 

"Who cares?"

 

 

 

Obviously you, since you put so much emotion in expressing that. I'm not saying that you're completely wrong, but you have the tendency to over-react in some instances, which in extent clouds your good reason.

 

 

 

 

 

"Why there will never be absolute gender equality is because of the inherent contradictions between equality and liberty. For example, if a guy wanted to say a joke about women at work, or hung pornography in the work place, it would make the women work in an environment that may seem hostile to them. If someone at work frequently referred to women as chicks, and a woman was offended by it, the woman would then be working in a hostile environment. If a woman wants to be treated equally in the work place, then she shouldn't be offended at what guys usually talk about. I think it's unreasonable for all women to be content with whatever people do at work, and for guys to go out of their way to change their lifestyles to conform to what's politically correct. It's impossible to live your life without being offended at something. Violence, foul language, pornography, sex, religion, whatever it is, you're bound to be offended by it sooner or later. So rather than [bleep] about it, just deal with it and move on. Men aren't out to get women; we're not the bad guys."

 

 

 

-Just because sometimes things go to extremes and they become totally ridiculous (i.e. women getting butt-hurt because some guy at work is talking about sex or boobs or whatever), it doesn't mean that some degree of protection (against any kind of abuse, not only men-women) shouldn't be taken. That's why laws against discrimination and abuse have taken form in the first place - to protect those who really need protection. I completely agree that, like I already said, some situations can get really stupid, but this is only because one's inability to control their emotions and insecurities, or they want to become the center of attention.

 

However, in other instances, some protection is needed, because there are individuals that WILL abuse their position and become really bothersome and frustrating.

 

 

 

 

 

"Why would anyone do anything that's degrading to themselves? Would you strip down in front of a crowd of people? Probably not. But would you do it if they were paying you $250 per hour? Or if they paid you $1000 per hour? Maybe then. It doesn't seem so degrading when there's a huge incentive for you to do it. So why do some feminist extremists think pornography is degrading to women? Obviously the women in pornography don't think it's degrading, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Their dignity has a price, and they were willing to sell it."

 

 

 

-You're contradicting yourself here, because first you say that pornography isn't degrading to women, but then you conclude that one's dignity has a price, if she accepted to play in a porn or strip for money.

 

Personally, I think that those who believe that one's giving up on their dignity to be naked, don't know what they're talking about and they're full of [cabbage]. :shrug:

 

 

 

As a finish thought, maybe you might want to look into the history of feminism and see why this whole movement was born, along with all the positive changes it has brought to society. Don't put a bad label on all feminism, just because some are taking it to extreme because they're dumb-[wagon].

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Congrats, you're a sexist. I could take offense to that statement much like feminists take offense to anything that involves men, but I can refrain. I don't try to change the world and people around me just to suit me better.

 

Coming from the person who posts that all feminists are the equivalent of a Nazi. I'll try not to take offense. Like Goddess said, those are some pretty large allegations based on opinion. The author you essentially plagiarized is ignorant, insensitive, and an [wagon], so I don't know why you'd quote him. Until then, I suggest you Google the differences between testosterone and estrogen before calling me a sexist.

 

 

 

I didn't plagiarize anybody, little miss grownup. If you scroll to the bottom of the first post, it says "Thanks Maddox". Just because you don't know who one of the most famous Internet Writers is, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. He is a genius of words, and there are hundreds of millions of people who know who he is.

 

 

 

So if he's essentially plagiarized, why is this still here? Not to mention his spam thread, re posting things that mods have deleted, suggestions to participate in domestic violence, insulting other members and nothing has been done because he's "entitled to his opinion". Very slack!! :thumbdown:

 

 

 

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We can't have absolute gender equality because the two genders will always differentiate. Just like how age groups have their differences so they are treated differently (alcohol age, driving age, etc.). That being said, I still think we have some more room for improvement. For example, women should get the same pay as men.

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I didn't plagiarize anybody, little miss grownup. If you scroll to the bottom of the first post, it says "Thanks Maddox". Just because you don't know who one of the most famous Internet Writers is, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. He is a genius of words, and there are hundreds of millions of people who know who he is.

 

 

 

To be fair, this wasn't a very well written or intelliget critique of feminism. It's mostly just setting up lots of strawmen or using extreme views to represent a whole movement. And simply pasting somebody's (self-inflated) opinions here isn't particularly good topic material, but I want to see where you go with this.

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there is never going to be sexual equality - fact

 

 

 

this doesn't mean we shouldn't try and reduce the gap, parts of the article imo makes it sound like its a lost cause and give up

 

 

 

i do agree that there are women who push to much for equality such as with semantics and little things which are just bull [cabbage] instead of focusing on the big picture, as the beginning of the article stated more

 

 

 

In regards to your fact, I actually can imagine equality coming in the next 10-20 years followed by a reversal with women becoming the dominant force in the household. It's a trend that's been happening for hundreds of years. Women hold power, especially after marriage. Women have the ability to completely emasculate a man with speech alone, rendering the mightiest warrior a shameful mess on the floor.

 

 

 

In regards to feminism, I think if we want equality we should strive to treat each other as equals instead of "making up for lost time" as people seem to be doing for this issue and racism. By elevating a group over another, you simply cause more animosity and resentment from the group that is now in the hole.

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I'm really sick and tired of the far right demonizing feminism, civil rights, and liberalism.

 

 

 

Liberalism does not mean listening to what bigots have to say and making sure that what we do does not "offend" them. Liberalism means recognizing that bigots are wrong and that our views should not change to accomodate them, but rather the other way around. What this guy thinks is "liberalism/feminism" is "nihilism", and he needs to learn the difference.

 

 

 

Moderation has never achieved lasting political change or gotten anyone to stand up and take notice. All moderation achieved for the democrats was eight years of failure in congress and an election win by default against a geriatric and an imbecile. Radicals won civil rights and the end to apartheid, women's right to vote, and the right to be homosexual without being locked up. All moderation has ever achieved for liberals is failure, while the O'Reillys and the Coulters of the right shift the Overton Window of acceptable discourse to the right, to the point where self declared liberals will happily defend bigots in the name of inclusiveness.

 

 

 

No matter what South Park told you, the truth is not always in the middle. When one side advocates genocide and another peace, "moderacy" is not a virtue.

 

 

 

This guy's assessment of feminism is not only inaccurate, it's insulting.

 

 

 

It's just the way things have always been. It's not meant to be offensive, so why doesn't the offended party pull their head out of their [wagon], and stop [bleep] about it.

 

 

 

Oh yes, let's just apply this argument to your own favourite racial slurs for bonus fun times! Who on earth could think that "the way things have always been" needs changing? Oh, right...

 

 

 

Feminism is in a lot of ways like fascism. Your average Fascist will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief

 

 

 

Your average ANYONE (barring creationists and Ludwig Von Mises supporters) will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports their existing beliefs. This guy comparing fascism and feminism is exactly like Rush Limbaugh, and it's why my original post still remains relevant. "Feminazi" is a term coined by Rush, and for people to allow a bigot to push these comparisons and words into the mainstream is sickening.

 

 

 

His rant about equal pay is ridiculous. Oh yes, Maddox, the scientists are just SOOOO stupid to not think of controlling for the same work when they conduct studies about pay discrepancies. Thank you so much for pointing this out so we can control for the same work next time. :roll:

 

 

 

I can usually pick out a feminist in a croud of women. She'll usually have short hair, regular pants, a regular shirt, and an unbathed look; she'll look very much like a stereotypical guy.

 

 

 

Yeah, because all feminists are women, tool.

 

 

 

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A feminist is a person who answers "yes" to the question, "Are women human?" Feminism is not about whether women are better than, worse than or identical with men. And it's certainly not about trading personal liberty - abortion, divorce, sexual self-expression - for social protection as wives and mothers, as pro-life feminists propose. It's about justice, fairness, and access to the broad range of human experience. It's about women consulting their own well-being and being judged as individuals rather than as members of a class with one personality, one social function, one road to happiness. It's about women having intrinsic value as persons rather than contingent value as a means to an end for others: fetuses, children, the "family," men.

 

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--Signed, a bleeding heart liberal/feminist.

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Congrats, you're a sexist. I could take offense to that statement much like feminists take offense to anything that involves men, but I can refrain. I don't try to change the world and people around me just to suit me better.

 

Coming from the person who posts that all feminists are the equivalent of a Nazi. I'll try not to take offense. Like Goddess said, those are some pretty large allegations based on opinion. The author you essentially plagiarized is ignorant, insensitive, and an [wagon], so I don't know why you'd quote him. Until then, I suggest you Google the differences between testosterone and estrogen before calling me a sexist.

 

 

 

I didn't plagiarize anybody, little miss grownup. If you scroll to the bottom of the first post, it says "Thanks Maddox". Just because you don't know who one of the most famous Internet Writers is, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. He is a genius of words, and there are hundreds of millions of people who know who he is.

 

 

 

Any reason to condescend. Maddox' opinions are generally a tad bit extreme.

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I would not say that hundreds of millions of people know who Maddox is. More likely barely more than a million, mostly geeks. No offense. The internet is not as much a universal community as you think.

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I didn't plagiarize anybody, little miss grownup. If you scroll to the bottom of the first post, it says "Thanks Maddox". Just because you don't know who one of the most famous Internet Writers is, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. He is a genius of words, and there are hundreds of millions of people who know who he is.

 

Are you kidding? If you had done that on a college essay, you would have surely been kicked out. Putting "Thanks Maddox" doesn't justify your post as anything less than a plagiarized story. Cite your sources.
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A feminist is a person who answers "yes" to the question, "Are women human?" Feminism is not about whether women are better than, worse than or identical with men. And it's certainly not about trading personal liberty - abortion, divorce, sexual self-expression - for social protection as wives and mothers, as pro-life feminists propose. It's about justice, fairness, and access to the broad range of human experience. It's about women consulting their own well-being and being judged as individuals rather than as members of a class with one personality, one social function, one road to happiness. It's about women having intrinsic value as persons rather than contingent value as a means to an end for others: fetuses, children, the "family," men.

 

 

 

This. It annoys me when people ignorantly assume that a feminist's goal is either A) to be better than men or B) to be treated like men. That's not what an honest, true-to-life feminist wants and anybody who listens to the fanatical ones are idiots.

 

 

 

Women should be treated 'equal': everybody should appreciate differences between the genders (even if only physiological) but also understand that each have their 'intrinsic value', as has already been said.

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I didn't plagiarize anybody, little miss grownup. If you scroll to the bottom of the first post, it says "Thanks Maddox". Just because you don't know who one of the most famous Internet Writers is, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. He is a genius of words, and there are hundreds of millions of people who know who he is.

 

Are you kidding? If you had done that on a college essay, you would have surely been kicked out. Putting "Thanks Maddox" doesn't justify your post as anything less than a plagiarized story. Cite your sources.

 

 

 

I'm well aware about college essays, I've written many more than you have. I didn't have the source handy, and I was to lazy to search for it. It was saved in a file, which I happened to read. As you can see it took all the matter of a few hours for somebody to get a source linked to it.

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I didn't plagiarize anybody, little miss grownup. If you scroll to the bottom of the first post, it says "Thanks Maddox". Just because you don't know who one of the most famous Internet Writers is, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. He is a genius of words, and there are hundreds of millions of people who know who he is.

 

Are you kidding? If you had done that on a college essay, you would have surely been kicked out. Putting "Thanks Maddox" doesn't justify your post as anything less than a plagiarized story. Cite your sources.

 

 

 

I'm well aware about college essays, I've written many more than you have. I didn't have the source handy, and I was to lazy to search for it. It was saved in a file, which I happened to read. As you can see it took all the matter of a few hours for somebody to get a source linked to it.

Let me Google that for you.

 

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If the only argument for feminism in its present form that people have is "woman get paid less than men", then I'd suggest you stop arguing, as there are about a bazillion double-standards that work in favor of women.

 

 

 

Like, really.

 

 

 

I'd rather get paid fairly than have people open doors for me to be honest.

 

 

 

And when did someone say that the pay is the only argument for feminism?

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I would not say that hundreds of millions of people know who Maddox is. More likely barely more than a million, mostly geeks. No offense. The internet is not as much a universal community as you think.

 

 

 

Well his earlier articles have up to 5 million views per, plus the amount of people that just visit occassionally but don't read every article, & the people who no longer visit but know his name.. I'd put it realistically at maybe 10-20 million, but not even nearly hundreds of millions of people. I thought his first productions were funny as heck, now he updates like once per 6 months and has gone commercial.. He's lost a lot of his edge.

 

 

 

On the subject of feminism, it seems ridiculous why these organisations still spend so much resources on female issues in western countries than ones abroad. Women in western countries live like males, and in some cases have more influence on things like parental custody than the father.

 

 

 

Women in 3rd world countries have no future, no rights, their clans and husbands tell them who to vote for, they have to live in fear, can't study or work properly... Concentrating on those issues would make feminist organisations look respectable. Now they make themselves look pathetic. Minor economic disparity (which is almost natural due to the salary loss occurring when an average woman will spend time with her child during the first few years of his/her life) is not an "issue" in the same context as chronic lack of employment, education and basic human rights.

 

 

 

We now even have "men's rights" movements to tackle greedy feminist organisations that instead of trying to push for gender equality, are all about giving women the higher position in society. That seems like a symptom instead of a natural reaction. These don't exist anywhere else, not even in other wealthy nations like Japan

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Well said Lancer.

 

 

 

I'm well aware about college essays, I've written many more than you have. I didn't have the source handy, and I was to lazy to search for it. It was saved in a file, which I happened to read. As you can see it took all the matter of a few hours for somebody to get a source linked to it.

 

 

 

And I'm almost too confident that there are people on this forum who have written many more than you have but this isn't a linguistics competition. In future you can't copy and paste word for word and scribble "thanks Maddox" down the bottom. Shove a quote bubble around it, link your source and quote it correctly. This doesn't come down to other people finding it for themselves, when it's your responsibility to have it laid out correctly in the first place. What you did is insulting to his work and for someone who is well aware about college essays you should know better.

 

 

 

If women want equal pay, go out there and find equal pay. If you're qualified for the job you will more than likely be able to negotiate your own salary. Better yet, create a business and become a business owner/self employed. The more effort you put in to your business, the more pay you'll receive. Chances are if you're intelligent enough to debate equal pay, then you're intelligent enough to put a plan of action together.

 

 

 

I'm almost positive I've been banned more than anybody here in my little 7 1/2 year stint ever since scapeboard (I think the grand total is around 15). I speak my mind, and I don't sugar coat it just to pacify the ears of others. You must take exceptional note to me however, because I rarely post here. I'll hop on here every 2 or 3 months, stir the kiddies up and take my leave once again.

 

 

 

I speak my mind too but there are more intelligent ways to go about it and somehow you haven't discovered it yet. You're not really stirring much, just making yourself out to be a fool.

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On the subject of feminism, it seems ridiculous why these organisations still spend so much resources on female issues in western countries than ones abroad. Women in western countries live like males, and in some cases have more influence on things like parental custody than the father.

 

 

 

Women in 3rd world countries have no future, no rights, their clans and husbands tell them who to vote for, they have to live in fear, can't study or work properly... Concentrating on those issues would make feminist organisations look respectable. Now they make themselves look pathetic. Minor economic disparity (which is almost natural due to the salary loss occurring when an average woman will spend time with her child during the first few years of his/her life) is not an "issue" in the same context as chronic lack of employment, education and basic human rights.

 

 

 

We now even have "men's rights" movements to tackle greedy feminist organisations that instead of trying to push for gender equality, are all about giving women the higher position in society. That seems like a symptom instead of a natural reaction. These don't exist anywhere else, not even in other wealthy nations like Japan

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-worl ... d_feminism

 

 

 

Um...?

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