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Holiday Musings and a permanent solution to rares


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3rd age would shoot up so high
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3rd age would shoot up so high






not only that imagine the rise of any treasure trail item thats going up. id be in heaven. matter of fact lets actually support this idea everyone :thumbup: i



i can see it now just total chaos.

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I support, 100%. The large GP influx from the people with rares might be a problem. But then again it would be pretty unfair for the people who worked for their party hats to just lose them all of a sudden. I think you should post this on the RSOF, since apparently Jagex actually reads it now :P




and do you REALLY think something as big as removing all rares couldnt deserve bringing in a large amount of gp?



anyway one of the dumbest ideas out there, bunny ears and scythes are the bigger problem, impossible to get if you didnt play, thats the definition of unfair right there, yes i have a scythe too.
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Nachos- or whatever I was supposed to say

I could see the non tradeable items being made avalable again, but the rare tradeables? Even if Jagex didn't intend for items to become rare, they still did. Punishing those with rares to make everything equal for all players seems a little overboard.



What about replicas? What if Jagex offered a "reprint" item on a holiday event? The item would remain untradeable, and would look like the original, but the name would change to (for example) Santa Hat Re-issue.




why would people buy an expensive item if theres a free version that LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME



irl ex-would you buy a car for 25k thats brand new or a remake of it (exact same "stats" and still brand new) for free?



you be the judge


Well, if cars were free, I'd probably take the free one. However, here's a different irl example- comic books. I will never own Action Comics #1, but DC Comics issues a reprint every so often. If I buy the reprint for small money, does that make the the original any less desirable?


Exactly. Also, your comparison is more accurate than the Car one.

These are items that are a status symbol, nothing more. They have no use other than that.



I'd have suggested rereleasing the items, but different in some way. For example: The Yo-Yo could be some color other than yellow, the Scythe could be Gray or Black, Partyhats could be Pink (I know that existed already), Dark Green, Sky Blue, Orange, Gray, and Black, and the Santa Hat could come with a white Beard or Long white hair.



Removing them at this stage would be quite damaging to the economy. Let the newer players get their copies, let the older/richer players trade their originals.



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The biggest problem I see with those who disagree is that you think these old holiday items give some sort of "advantage" to older players. They don't. Us older players can get advantages through levels and wealth.



The main point is that everyone should be able to achieve the same thing through hard work, not having been in the right place at the right time, and not through their own choices or intelligence, but because the pieces just happened to fall into place that way.



I have higher levels than most of you because I spent more time working on them. Does this mean that because I started working on Prayer 2 years ago, that I should be able to have the skill cape, but since you just started two weeks ago, you shouldn't be able to get it? No, we should both have the same opportunity to obtain a Prayer skill cape. I don't have a Prayer skill cape because I started earlier on in the game than you... I have one because I worked longer and harder at it. This should be the same for all items, and in fact, every achievement in the game.
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The biggest problem I see with those who disagree is that you think these old holiday items give some sort of "advantage" to older players. They don't. Us older players can get advantages through levels and wealth.



The main point is that everyone should be able to achieve the same thing through hard work, not having been in the right place at the right time, and not through their own choices or intelligence, but because the pieces just happened to fall into place that way.



I have higher levels than most of you because I spent more time working on them. Does this mean that because I started working on Prayer 2 years ago, that I should be able to have the skill cape, but since you just started two weeks ago, you shouldn't be able to get it? No, we should both have the same opportunity to obtain a Prayer skill cape. I don't have a Prayer skill cape because I started earlier on in the game than you... I have one because I worked longer and harder at it. This should be the same for all items, and in fact, every achievement in the game.




The tradable rares already fit that, via cost to obtain. As for the nontradable ones, lots of things happen/come to pass to people that are just in the right place at the right time in real life, other games, etc. Fairness in all things isn't necessarily a right in life.



Could do what WoW did, make discontinued/seasonal achievements not count towards achievement points, whereas other achievements do, but RS isn't WoW, and I would have no idea how to implement such a thing.

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I agree with the general idea, for reasons I will not mention. It's not like Jagex will agree and randomly go through with this. I am sure they have considered many similar ideas over the years. If the rares are not gone now they likely never will be. You could say "ohh but that's what Joe Blow said about pking", but pking was a method of RWT. This is not.


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ill try to reply to your entire post in order.



at emote topic, people complained because they couldnt get them so they got them, nobody lost anything from it.



at scythe one, i couldnt care if ALL the untradeable items can be recieved from diango, i didnt get bunny ears but i have a scythe, and at the sametime this is nothing compared to your dumbest suggestion about partyhats.



this is the part which confused me, the wilderness topic, you put it in caps like it made sense, pvp and bounty hunter will NEVER replace the wilderness, the wilderness was perfect, you can have that odd day where you might want to pk and just go out and kill someone, it was beautiful, you cant replace it.

it was removed for rwt which would have been a huge problem for credit card fraud that jagex was having.



? what are partyhats doing to hurt you, they are not even rising like they used to when stakers and pkers got removed, they were the ones giving the demand for partyhats, rares are currently DROPPING, if you hate them so much, WAIT, they will drop low enough until people of skiller status will begin to buy them, when they hit that bottom low then you can hate partyhats again.



dont ever say WE got over it, you and the people who couldnt pk got over it.



i wont talk about the people who bought partyhats for 600mil+ because that doesnt effect the economy much, but a large amount of them are out there.



original idea is also dumb, jagex wants things to be a certain way for runescapers all the time, cant count the amount of BAD updates out there that people hate, which is ALSO the ORIGINAL idea.



you were never a pker and never will be? that explains it lol.

since when did EVERYONE get over it though?

90% of pkers and stakers quit, even my friend who was a complete SKILLER and had a nooby little pker account he had for fun couldnt picture the game without the wilderness and quit, never saw him again.



your a high level and suggesting it? high levels have a set of bandos and a few godswords, since when do you care about rares?



i laughed at this part too where you compared rs to real life, theres paintings IN REAL LIFE, that sell for 100mil+, by famous painters, so yes, useless things can be sold in real life, by people who demand them of course, because they are rare, real life paintings are even more useless than tissue paper, good one.

but even ill excuse that one, just showing you how desperate you are and your true hatred for rares.



this is the part where i was also confused, you were willing to give people, zero gp for their rares, LMFAO!!



its not even the partyhats that are the problem, i cant tell you how many people have 100s of santas and mask sets on their acc, if you gave them all cash for that, say goodbye to cheap armor and weapons, but this is what you want isnt it? you already have your sexy pair of bandos and armadyl godsword.



oh your not much of an economist, that explains it, im guessing you also hate junk too right? the only freedom trading has left right? want junk removed so that jagex is in full control of rs? lmfao.



removal of rares would make 3rd age, spirit shields, anything that is rare but not discontinued, shoot up in price, plus merchants with decent combat stats would buy combat items, and some of them might go for 99 in skills not caring how they raise it or the price of it, that is expected anyway, it would be a short term boost for the economy, because obviously it wont be going on forever, prices would shoot up in every item on the ge for a few weeks, then that would be it, most of the items would then take a 90 degree turn going down on the ge and probably reach lower than before, but then 3rd age and godswords would be much higher than before also, thats just what you want, perfect for you.



repeat this again? lmfao, they removed wilderness so that runescape could continue, credit fraud would have destroyed the game.

rares are not a problem atm, 3rd age is.



tell me when you learn about the economy so you can make a better post.

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The biggest problem I see with those who disagree is that you think these old holiday items give some sort of "advantage" to older players. They don't. Us older players can get advantages through levels and wealth.




halonachos yum.



ok then go get your levels and leave the items alone GEEEEEZ. why cant you just state the fact that some items stand for a simple born date and you cant admit that you werent around when others were.

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nachalo.



ill try to reply to your entire post in order.



at emote topic, people complained because they couldnt get them so they got them, nobody lost anything from it.



at scythe one, i couldnt care if ALL the untradeable items can be recieved from diango, i didnt get bunny ears but i have a scythe, and at the sametime this is nothing compared to your dumbest suggestion about partyhats.



this is the part which confused me, the wilderness topic, you put it in caps like it made sense, pvp and bounty hunter will NEVER replace the wilderness, the wilderness was perfect, you can have that odd day where you might want to pk and just go out and kill someone, it was beautiful, you cant replace it.

it was removed for rwt which would have been a huge problem for credit card fraud that jagex was having.



? what are partyhats doing to hurt you, they are not even rising like they used to when stakers and pkers got removed, they were the ones giving the demand for partyhats, rares are currently DROPPING, if you hate them so much, WAIT, they will drop low enough until people of skiller status will begin to buy them, when they hit that bottom low then you can hate partyhats again.



dont ever say WE got over it, you and the people who couldnt pk got over it.



i wont talk about the people who bought partyhats for 600mil+ because that doesnt effect the economy much, but a large amount of them are out there.



original idea is also dumb, jagex wants things to be a certain way for runescapers all the time, cant count the amount of BAD updates out there that people hate, which is ALSO the ORIGINAL idea.



you were never a pker and never will be? that explains it lol.

since when did EVERYONE get over it though?

90% of pkers and stakers quit, even my friend who was a complete SKILLER and had a nooby little pker account he had for fun couldnt picture the game without the wilderness and quit, never saw him again.



your a high level and suggesting it? high levels have a set of bandos and a few godswords, since when do you care about rares?



i laughed at this part too where you compared rs to real life, theres paintings IN REAL LIFE, that sell for 100mil+, by famous painters, so yes, useless things can be sold in real life, by people who demand them of course, because they are rare, real life paintings are even more useless than tissue paper, good one.

but even ill excuse that one, just showing you how desperate you are and your true hatred for rares.



this is the part where i was also confused, you were willing to give people, zero gp for their rares, LMFAO!!



its not even the partyhats that are the problem, i cant tell you how many people have 100s of santas and mask sets on their acc, if you gave them all cash for that, say goodbye to cheap armor and weapons, but this is what you want isnt it? you already have your sexy pair of bandos and armadyl godsword.



oh your not much of an economist, that explains it, im guessing you also hate junk too right? the only freedom trading has left right? want junk removed so that jagex is in full control of rs? lmfao.



removal of rares would make 3rd age, spirit shields, anything that is rare but not discontinued, shoot up in price, plus merchants with decent combat stats would buy combat items, and some of them might go for 99 in skills not caring how they raise it or the price of it, that is expected anyway, it would be a short term boost for the economy, because obviously it wont be going on forever, prices would shoot up in every item on the ge for a few weeks, then that would be it, most of the items would then take a 90 degree turn going down on the ge and probably reach lower than before, but then 3rd age and godswords would be much higher than before also, thats just what you want, perfect for you.



repeat this again? lmfao, they removed wilderness so that runescape could continue, credit fraud would have destroyed the game.

rares are not a problem atm, 3rd age is.



tell me when you learn about the economy so you can make a better post.

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Though I disagree with you, thank you for reading the entire post.



The biggest problem I see with those who disagree is that you think these old holiday items give some sort of "advantage" to older players. They don't. Us older players can get advantages through levels and wealth.




halonachos yum.



ok then go get your levels and leave the items alone GEEEEEZ. why cant you just state the fact that some items stand for a simple born date and you cant admit that you werent around when others were.




Who says I wasn't around? I'm complaining that the system is unfair for everyone.
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1) Tradeable Rares - A huge influx of cash, huge inflation. Plus, (though this may have changed, idk) can't you have a max of like 2.17 billion gp? Some people get around this (or used to, idk) by owning partyhats and other rares. If you change the rares to cash, they would have more than the max amount and something bad could happen. Idk.



2) Non-tradeable rares - These show people how long you've been playing. I don't know about other people, but I like showing off how long I've been playing; I feel that it sort of makes up for my relatively low levels and lack of gold pieces. If everyone could get them, I'd just feel sad. :(

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thats a bad idea because rares are there for a reason. if everyone could get them, whats the point? -.- :twss: :twss: :twss: :twss: :twss: \<img src=/' /> \<img src=/' /> \<img src=/' /> \<img src=/' /> :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh:
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I seem to replaced "tradeable rares" with "party hat" alot. But I digress



What is the purpose of a ring of stone? emote enhancers? Gnome firelighters? Gnome goggles or scarf? We don't need them either. They are about as useful as a phat, except they are not used like the phat: as a status symbol. That is the way I see the tradable discontinued items. If you have a phat, people around understand you have or have had a good deal of money or you could have a good deal of money. By replacing the party hats with money, you have destroyed a status symbol, symbolizing riches. Go to a king or queen, and replace their crown with some money, and that's effectively what this does. Then you would let diango give them out? That's horrible! Everyone would be wearing phats, then no one would be wearing phats unless they wanted to match with an outfit. You compare the party hats to toilet paper. Realize, then, that making them available to everyone makes them about as useful as used, wet toilet paper that sat in the back of your house for a few years.



Did you know: People can only have 1 ectophial

Did you know: people can have more than 1 phat?

Did you know: People can have more than 2.1 bil in phats if they have played for a long time or have a lot of cash?

Did you know: 2.1 billion is the maximum amount of money that can be had? People have this much.



Replacing the party hat with money then efficively destroys the cash people could have had with their money replaced phats. Congratulations! Following with this plan eliminates millions of gp from the economy and ticks off many people.



Let's lower the money bracket a little. There are people who really want a party hat, me included. Some of these people actually have the ability to buy a phat. Now imagine you just saved up 111.4m (GWD, DK, 200mil hunter exp, idc) and want a red phat. The game is updated soon before that, allowing everyone to get your coveted red phat. You can get that phat, but your dreams have been crushed.



Some people have played since RSC. They kept their favorite white phat, easter egg, and pumpkin. They promised never to trade it. Suddenly, these items are all mainstream. There is no point in keeping them anymore because more can be obtained.



Some people played when holiday items were dced (me included) I like my skeleton outfit, so around halloween, I wear it. Last halloween, some people wondered where I got it from, and Its because I played longer than they did. The same with the amazing ring of egg (i missed that one because I was out of the country at the time, but If I were there, it would be amazing to use at easter!) These people who have played for a while now no longer can show how long they have been playing.You may say, "Ya, but the emotes and songs are given out." The songs can only be heard by you and the emotes only last about 5 seconds, so they cannot be shown to everybody who you see, unless you want to ignore everything around you and stop what you are doing in order to show them an emote. The emotes are available to all during the event because they are not shown as well as costumes but for a few seconds.



THE WILDERNESS WAS REMOVED. THAT UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT THEY DID IT ANYWAYS FOR THE GREATER GOOD. AND WE GOT OVER IT.




Why did we get over it? Its either because there was a reason to remove it (Rwt) and people understood that, or because there were alternatives (current and future). And who is "we" anyway? I have still seen "bring Wildy back threads" I still like the old wild because of the lack of revs. I never went into the old wild but twice and the new wild thrice. I am not "over it", the people begging for the old wildy are not "over it", and the people who quit because of the lack of wild are not "over it."



What would the "greater good" be in deleting rares anyway?



Now everyone's happy, except for grumpy people who will whine that noobs can get partyhats. Well, you know what? THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IDEA.


You work for Jagex? :o Otherwise, who are you to be telling me what the original idea was? For all we know, Jagex wanted to have 1337ly priced items. You know what I think, I think that the tradable rares were for whoever played then or wanted to give their buddies one, and the price is a side effect.



It was because of players' greed that partyhats were abused and raised to their ridiculous price.


Thus it was also the players greed that the price of a whip is abused and rose to a ridiculous price before falling. No my friend, it is the law of supply and demand. There is a limited supply of party hats, we want party hats, there is a high price of them. More people join the game, the demand increases the price of party hats rise. People with Party hats leave the game or rares or consumed, the supply goes down, the price increases.



Imagine the amount of whips in the game must equal the amount of rares in the game. All others are destroyed, but you still have a whip. Well of course you are going to give a whip for a few mil even though they cost a many millions (in this scenario), I mean, If I sold it at what it is being asked for, then I would be greedy, wouldn't I?



I'm not an economist

That explains the supply and demand thing :roll:







They are USELESS items that do absolutely nothing.


If Party hat is useless, then what does that make other "show off" items? should we make them available to everybody too? I do want a highwayman mask, a black cavalier, and a mime mask & beret.



A purple partyhat is 9m more than my Armadyl godsword.



I notice that you didn't say your purple party hat. Why is that? It seems you don't care for rares, so this may be biased for all I know.



Also, MMORPGs are games where you can be anyone; no one player should have less "opportunity" than another because they joined the game at a later date.


Its a good thing I learned about logical fallacies in english recently: Non Sequitur. That first statement had nothing to do with the second. In response to the first statement. Its not that you can be anyone, its that you can not be yourself. In responce to the second statement: why not? I joined at a later date than some people, shouldn't I be able to play on RSC? Shouldn't I be able to re experience the falador massacre, the knife glitch, the old wild, the old graphics, the glitches, the guy that made legs into skirts and vice versa (D shirt -->d legs = cash)? I think you are tellling me I should



You say the party hat is less useful than toilet paper. Therefore, you should have no problem removing all the treaure trail items and replacing them with money, would you? I mean, they have about the same use as a party hat, except are more common. Lets make an NPC hand out free TT items. I mean, come on, all you had to do was earn a few million gp or play for some years to get a party hat. How about we allow everyone to get all the quest items from an NPC without doing the quest. I bet we would all love elite black armour and Dagon'hai robes. Those ancient magics could be available from the start. Lets cut out the need to even use runes! I mean, you only have to spend like 500k or something for 60 magic, so lets let ice rush become available at level 1 magic. That should make us all even right? I don't even have enough time in life to get Ancient magic, a dark bow,a godsword, or even a party hat. Why dont we just let another NPC give out free AGSs? I mean, its only a symbol of obtaining 75 attack and being able to get 1 from GWD or buy it, just as a party hat is a symbol of having enough money to get one. Don't agree with me? Then you don't agree with Jard y dooku.



Wow, Why can't I write this much in my english stuff? :shock:

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First of all, I agree that rares need to go. I'm not cool with the idea that someone who happened to hoard a bunch of blue party hats a few years ago can suddenly start playing again and have a huge advantage over me for doing absolutely no work. As for the untradable items... I'm not as concerned. However, I do think that they should be available to everyone. They're just for fun! I missed the first few despite having been around since 2001. Personally, I'd like to have a rubber chicken and a yo-yo. Why deny other players the opportunity to have fun? Like the OP said, they shouldn't be penalized for not being old enough to play or for not have discovered the game. It helps to create a very elitist community.



EDIT: If this were to happen, I would like to see some sort of update that allows us to see how long we've played, and allows us to let other players know. Perhaps we can log in and choose to display that information on the high scores.



As for your idea of converted all tradable rares to gold, I think it's a great idea. A lot of the concerns seem to be that some players will lose money due to the cap, but here's my idea for fixing that:



Jagex announces that in two months, all tradable rares will be liquefied. I think two months is a reasonable amount of time. Jagex creates an NPC that will buy all rares for the value that they were the moment Jagex made the announcement. This prevents players from getting less money as rares crash and burn over the next few days/hours/minutes. This allows players to sell their items a few at a time and invest the excess gold in whatever they please until they run out of rares. Two months later, all rares are converted to gold, and players who did not take advantage of the NPC are out of luck, assuming they had an excess of rares.



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Agreed

Sorry I don't have much input, but I would like to say:

The great thing about owning Bunny Ears or a Scythe is that is shows you have played RS for a good amount of time. Introducing Year Capes could solve that problem.

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I seem to replaced "tradeable rares" with "party hat" alot. But I digress



What is the purpose of a ring of stone? emote enhancers? Gnome firelighters? Gnome goggles or scarf? We don't need them either. They are about as useful as a phat, except they are not used like the phat: as a status symbol. That is the way I see the tradable discontinued items. If you have a phat, people around understand you have or have had a good deal of money or you could have a good deal of money. By replacing the party hats with money, you have destroyed a status symbol, symbolizing riches. Go to a king or queen, and replace their crown with some money, and that's effectively what this does. Then you would let diango give them out? That's horrible! Everyone would be wearing phats, then no one would be wearing phats unless they wanted to match with an outfit. You compare the party hats to toilet paper. Realize, then, that making them available to everyone makes them about as useful as used, wet toilet paper that sat in the back of your house for a few years.



I am talking about HOLIDAY ITEMS here. I understand many treasure trail items are useless, but they aren't "rare" items - more can always be brought into the game which is why they are fine. Anyone who has the will and determination to work hard, can get them.



Did you know: People can only have 1 ectophial Yes

Did you know: people can have more than 1 phat? Yes

Did you know: People can have more than 2.1 bil in phats if they have played for a long time or have a lot of cash? Yes

Did you know: 2.1 billion is the maximum amount of money that can be had? People have this much. Yes



Replacing the party hat with money then efficively destroys the cash people could have had with their money replaced phats. Congratulations! Following with this plan eliminates millions of gp from the economy and ticks off many people.



As I will mention again in my reply to another poster, Jagex certainly has the capability increase the cap or implement some way of overcoming that.



Let's lower the money bracket a little. There are people who really want a party hat, me included. Some of these people actually have the ability to buy a phat. Now imagine you just saved up 111.4m (GWD, DK, 200mil hunter exp, idc) and want a red phat. The game is updated soon before that, allowing everyone to get your coveted red phat. You can get that phat, but your dreams have been crushed.



How are your dreams crushed? I'd say "FINALLY! Now I can get a party hat for free!", and then proceed to spend my cash on training skills. In my case I'd just get the party hat for the sake of having it, pop it in my costume room, and probably never take it out. I quite enjoy my random event costumes, and my lumberjack suit. Full lumberjack is EXTREMELY difficult obtain, and I am proud to be one of the few players that has it. However, I am even more glad that any player who wishes, with hard work and determination, can achieve the same as I have.



Some people have played since RSC. They kept their favorite white phat, easter egg, and pumpkin. They promised never to trade it. Suddenly, these items are all mainstream. There is no point in keeping them anymore because more can be obtained.



People keep them because they like them. What's the difference?



Some people played when holiday items were dced (me included) I like my skeleton outfit, so around halloween, I wear it. Last halloween, some people wondered where I got it from, and Its because I played longer than they did. The same with the amazing ring of egg (i missed that one because I was out of the country at the time, but If I were there, it would be amazing to use at easter!) These people who have played for a while now no longer can show how long they have been playing.You may say, "Ya, but the emotes and songs are given out." The songs can only be heard by you and the emotes only last about 5 seconds, so they cannot be shown to everybody who you see, unless you want to ignore everything around you and stop what you are doing in order to show them an emote. The emotes are available to all during the event because they are not shown as well as costumes but for a few seconds.



THE WILDERNESS WAS REMOVED. THAT UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT THEY DID IT ANYWAYS FOR THE GREATER GOOD. AND WE GOT OVER IT.




Why did we get over it? Its either because there was a reason to remove it (Rwt) and people understood that, or because there were alternatives (current and future). And who is "we" anyway? I have still seen "bring Wildy back threads" I still like the old wild because of the lack of revs. I never went into the old wild but twice and the new wild thrice. I am not "over it", the people begging for the old wildy are not "over it", and the people who quit because of the lack of wild are not "over it."



Ok, I phrased that poorly. What I mean by "we got over it" is that hundreds of thousands of people still play RuneScape, and the game is continuing on very, very well. And the implementation of my ideas wouldn't stop it.



What would the "greater good" be in deleting rares anyway?



Giving all players equal opportunity and eliminating rares' effect on the economy.



Now everyone's happy, except for grumpy people who will whine that noobs can get partyhats. Well, you know what? THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IDEA.


You work for Jagex? :o Otherwise, who are you to be telling me what the original idea was? For all we know, Jagex wanted to have 1337ly priced items. You know what I think, I think that the tradable rares were for whoever played then or wanted to give their buddies one, and the price is a side effect.



I don't need to work for them to know that's what they intended. It's even on the Tip.It website rares page... go look.



It was because of players' greed that partyhats were abused and raised to their ridiculous price.


Thus it was also the players greed that the price of a whip is abused and rose to a ridiculous price before falling. No my friend, it is the law of supply and demand. There is a limited supply of party hats, we want party hats, there is a high price of them. More people join the game, the demand increases the price of party hats rise. People with Party hats leave the game or rares or consumed, the supply goes down, the price increases.



If players were super intelligent, we could fix the problem ourselves by high-alching all rares. Then Jagex could delete them entirely or reintroduce them as untradeable. But that isn't how society works - I'll admit I wouldn't even alch a party hat (I'd sell it), and Jagex will need to solve the rares problem for us.



Imagine the amount of whips in the game must equal the amount of rares in the game. All others are destroyed, but you still have a whip. Well of course you are going to give a whip for a few mil even though they cost a many millions (in this scenario), I mean, If I sold it at what it is being asked for, then I would be greedy, wouldn't I?



I'm not an economist

That explains the supply and demand thing :roll:







They are USELESS items that do absolutely nothing.


If Party hat is useless, then what does that make other "show off" items? should we make them available to everybody too? I do want a highwayman mask, a black cavalier, and a mime mask & beret.



Those items are hot holiday items. Useless items should have at least SOME idea of a reasonable price (TT items do), or should be untradeable.



A purple partyhat is 9m more than my Armadyl godsword.



I notice that you didn't say your purple party hat. Why is that? It seems you don't care for rares, so this may be biased for all I know.



You are correct. I think rares are stupid. Even if rares were 100k each, I wouldn't buy them because it's a waste of money for something that does nothing to improve my account. If they're free, on the other hand, I can detract from my normal activities for 5 minutes to get them all at once, and put them in my costume room to rot. My money is better spent on swords I can bash peoples' heads in with, and armor to prevent them from doing the same, than a hat that does nothing.



Also, MMORPGs are games where you can be anyone; no one player should have less "opportunity" than another because they joined the game at a later date.


Its a good thing I learned about logical fallacies in english recently: Non Sequitur. That first statement had nothing to do with the second. In response to the first statement. Its not that you can be anyone, its that you can not be yourself. In responce to the second statement: why not? I joined at a later date than some people, shouldn't I be able to play on RSC? Shouldn't I be able to re experience the falador massacre, the knife glitch, the old wild, the old graphics, the glitches, the guy that made legs into skirts and vice versa (D shirt -->d legs = cash)? I think you are tellling me I should



I'm talking about the ability to obtain in-game rewards (items & other things). None of those are achievements/rewards; they are events, experiences, etc.



You say the party hat is less useful than toilet paper. Certainly is. I can't use a partyhat to wipe - yeah Therefore, you should have no problem removing all the treaure trail items and replacing them with money, would you? I mean, they have about the same use as a party hat, except are more common. Lets make an NPC hand out free TT items. I mean, come on, all you had to do was earn a few million gp or play for some years to get a party hat. How about we allow everyone to get all the quest items from an NPC without doing the quest. I bet we would all love elite black armour and Dagon'hai robes. Those ancient magics could be available from the start. Lets cut out the need to even use runes! I mean, you only have to spend like 500k or something for 60 magic, so lets let ice rush become available at level 1 magic. That should make us all even right? I don't even have enough time in life to get Ancient magic, a dark bow,a godsword, or even a party hat. Why dont we just let another NPC give out free AGSs? I mean, its only a symbol of obtaining 75 attack and being able to get 1 from GWD or buy it, just as a party hat is a symbol of having enough money to get one. Don't agree with me? Then you don't agree with Jard y dooku.



Treasure trail items are not rare items. Runes are not rare items. Ancient magic isn't even an item. They can be freely obtained at any time, so there is no problem with them. And no, you're completely wrong about the AGS. It's not a status symbol at all. It's a useful weapon allowing you to train up to 4 skills.



Wow, Why can't I write this much in my english stuff? :shock:

konets




All in all, thank you for your thorough post. Again, I don't agree, but I am glad you took the time to read my post thoroughly and post your thoughts. I hope you appreciate that I have done the same for your post.



nachalo



First of all, I agree that rares need to go. I'm not cool with the idea that someone who happened to hoard a bunch of blue party hats a few years ago can suddenly start playing again and have a huge advantage over me for doing absolutely no work. As for the untradable items... I'm not as concerned. However, I do think that they should be available to everyone. They're just for fun! I missed the first few despite having been around since 2001. Personally, I'd like to have a rubber chicken and a yo-yo. Why deny other players the opportunity to have fun? Like the OP said, they shouldn't be penalized for not being old enough to play or for not have discovered the game. It helps to create a very elitist community.



EDIT: If this were to happen, I would like to see some sort of update that allows us to see how long we've played, and allows us to let other players know. Perhaps we can log in and choose to display that information on the high scores.



As for your idea of converted all tradable rares to gold, I think it's a great idea. A lot of the concerns seem to be that some players will lose money due to the cap, but here's my idea for fixing that:



Jagex announces that in two months, all tradable rares will be liquefied. I think two months is a reasonable amount of time. Jagex creates an NPC that will buy all rares for the value that they were the moment Jagex made the announcement. This prevents players from getting less money as rares crash and burn over the next few days/hours/minutes. This allows players to sell their items a few at a time and invest the excess gold in whatever they please until they run out of rares. Two months later, all rares are converted to gold, and players who did not take advantage of the NPC are out of luck, assuming they had an excess of rares.



konets




Or, they could just change the game to use a long instead of an int for item amounts. Then the cap would be 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 coins rather than 2,147,483,647. And I guarantee you NO ONE will ever get that much money, or that much of any item for that matter. Or they could implement certificates which can be exchanged for 1 million coins and vice versa, at any bank.



nachalo konets



Agreed

Sorry I don't have much input, but I would like to say:

The great thing about owning Bunny Ears or a Scythe is that is shows you have played RS for a good amount of time. Introducing Year Capes could solve that problem.




No. That's not helping to remedy the problem because it would introduce another item that cannot be earned solely through hard work and dedication. I mentioned earlier that all the high scores need is an extra field, "Member since:".



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You're an idiot this is not a major problem and anyone who thinks it is needs stabbing in the face with a spoon, sounds to me like you either just lost a Partyhat or you really want a scythe... 'For the greater good.' You make it sound as if it's an evil plan. Seriously get over it it's for your greater good.
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You're an idiot this is not a major problem and anyone who thinks it is needs stabbing in the face with a spoon, sounds to me like you either just lost a Partyhat or you really want a scythe... 'For the greater good.' You make it sound as if it's an evil plan. Seriously get over it it's for your greater good.




Don't be rude. Anyone who has a different opinion than you needn't be "stabbed in the face with a spoon", they should be told that you disagree with them in a polite manner. That is how debates work.



Also, I have never had a party hat, and never will because I don't like them. And scythes are not very useful weapons, I prefer my AGS because it is more powerful. If I were able to obtain all rare items for free, they would go into my bank or my costume boxes and likely not be taken out for over 10 months at a time.
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First of all, I agree that rares need to go. I'm not cool with the idea that someone who happened to hoard a bunch of blue party hats a few years ago can suddenly start playing again and have a huge advantage over me for doing absolutely no work. As for the untradable items... I'm not as concerned. However, I do think that they should be available to everyone. They're just for fun! I missed the first few despite having been around since 2001. Personally, I'd like to have a rubber chicken and a yo-yo. Why deny other players the opportunity to have fun? Like the OP said, they shouldn't be penalized for not being old enough to play or for not have discovered the game. It helps to create a very elitist community.



EDIT: If this were to happen, I would like to see some sort of update that allows us to see how long we've played, and allows us to let other players know. Perhaps we can log in and choose to display that information on the high scores.



As for your idea of converted all tradable rares to gold, I think it's a great idea. A lot of the concerns seem to be that some players will lose money due to the cap, but here's my idea for fixing that:



Jagex announces that in two months, all tradable rares will be liquefied. I think two months is a reasonable amount of time. Jagex creates an NPC that will buy all rares for the value that they were the moment Jagex made the announcement. This prevents players from getting less money as rares crash and burn over the next few days/hours/minutes. This allows players to sell their items a few at a time and invest the excess gold in whatever they please until they run out of rares. Two months later, all rares are converted to gold, and players who did not take advantage of the NPC are out of luck, assuming they had an excess of rares.



konets




Or, they could just change the game to use a long instead of an int for item amounts. Then the cap would be 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 coins rather than 2,147,483,647. And I guarantee you NO ONE will ever get that much money, or that much of any item for that matter. Or they could implement certificates which can be exchanged for 1 million coins and vice versa, at any bank.




Your idea is much better. :) I can definitely live with that. All in all, I think Runescape would be a much better place without rares and elitist items.

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