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Once a great game. A story/Rant for veteran players.


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Are you kidding me? That issue was resolved decades ago, and work by people like Toga, Miller, and Cohen have continued to demonstrate it. It's easily observed with the Wilson card test. I don't have the credentials nor degrees to argue the issue itself, but I feel confident due to the fact that it has generally been accepted by science as a whole. Unless you can offer me significant evidence in the form of studies or public statements, I'm going to have to side with the field of science on this one.

I'm not as knowledgeable as I'd like to be on such subjects, but after reading your Wikipedia article (source likely contaminated) I found that I had all of those mature qualities by age eight. Thus, I'm not likely to put much faith in something like my brain controlling more than my mind. I'd prefer not to get into the subject of consciousness, but we're getting awfully close here.

In addition, my Psychology Professor often raised this issue. Granted, he's only one man, but I do put a good deal of faith in him.



We've really digressed from the original topic though, sorry for stealing your thread, eatrunearrow. :P
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It's not an appearance, it's a development. You can do those activities, but you become more refined and faster as your brain progresses. You aren't some chosen person who's brain full formed at age 8.
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It's not an appearance, it's a development. You can do those activities, but you become more refined and faster as your brain progresses. You aren't some chosen person who's brain full formed at age 8.

I never said my brain was fully formed, just that full growth is unnecessary.
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I never said my brain was fully formed, just that full growth is unnecessary.


Where did I say it was nessasary? It's not an on or off thing; your not 'immature' one day then 'mature' the day you turn 25. Your brain develops and matures as you grow, starting from nothing at conception to completely formed at 25.
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Where did I say it was nessasary? It's not an on or off thing; your not 'immature' one day then 'mature' the day you turn 25. Your brain develops and matures as you grow, starting from nothing at conception to completely formed at 25.


No, they can't. Read up on it. They don't have the physical brain to balance long term rewards\punishments. Check it out at http://en.wikipedia....ki/Frontal_lobe

Any point I made (or attempted to make ;)) after this was merely to say that the frontal lobe excuse is not a good one.
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Err, what? Both posts you quoted were in complete agreement with each other, and demonstrated my opinion perfectly. Explanation, please?
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Err, what? Both posts you quoted were in complete agreement with each other, and demonstrated my opinion perfectly. Explanation, please?


The first post was a mistake that I neglected to remove; it was just to show who I was responding to. Once I added the second quote, the first became irrelevant.
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Stop arguing about this.



You can be 10 years old and be mature enough to post (not spam) sensible and appropriate replies/topics. Your brain doesn't need to be "fully developed" to post sensible comments. Sure, it is more common for kids to be immature, but more teenagers and even some adults can be immature too.(not in brain development, in actions)

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I miss RS back then too, but placing the blame just on Jagex and Miniclip is only part of the story.

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I'm not as knowledgeable as I'd like to be on such subjects, but after reading your Wikipedia article ...




Link Please.



Blaming the younger generation is more immature then the 14yo kids I see at Jujitzu training laughing at the word Boob. You of all people should realise its the mental maturity of the players that determine the actions; and from what I've seen, ALOT of players aged over 17-19 act as though their king of the [bleeping] world. Im only 18, I have a LONG way to go before my body and mind has matured but the way some of these older plaers act, I honestly think their worse then this "Younger Generation". I have no 99's or high levels but I still get the basic respect from a new player who asks the simple question of "What skill should I start off with?" compaired tothe obnoxious players at 120 and long-time players saying "Gf Kid, now gtfo you pk'er wannabe" or even gtfo nerd because a 133 couldnt hit past my Spirit Shield and Dragonhide with 94 defence.





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Ever since 08.

There have been so many wannabe pkers.



E.G. Castlewars. Some noob goes 'KO'ed, DDS spec downed gf son u tryed'

etc



New Generation just love to PJ.





Anyway I'm 15. I'm immature to noobs (some kid calls me a nub, I rip his stats/armour up, then of course its going to be a 'NERD GET A LIFE P.S. I HAVE 5000 GFs + I BENCH 5000 + I DID UR MOM LOLOLOLOL NOOB HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA').



I rember once a guy called me friend a nub (he goes to my school). He followed him for 1-2hrs. That is so fun. Try it.


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Isn't PJing way old? I seem to have experienced that a lot a mage bank since RS2 was released... It's not about age or anything, it's about the person in front of the computer. There was more scamming a couple years back and I don't care if it was a 12 years-old, a high school graduate or a lawyer playing on his free time, a scammer is a scammer no matter what.



Blaming the younger generation is short-sighted but that doesn't mean that saying teens are more immature than adults wrong... It's plainly obvious that when you compare both population sample, that statement will remain true. Statistical analysis will show that in a population, you'll have dumb people, bright people and "average" people. In the adult one, you'll get the average person to be more mature than the average teen because of life experience and education. This is how life goes, you'll have lots of teens more mature than adults, but you will find more adults to be more mature than teens.



Translating this to the game, the people ranting assume that the general population of RS is now younger and therefore less mature. It's an assumption that I don't approove because of lack of proof, but it's a possibility.


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I'm getting tired of all this garbage about the decline of "maturity". There was never a period of perfect intellectual greatness in this game (thank god). I don't even understand how a community like that would be remotely interesting to be part of.



My main complaints are skillcapes and the RWT updates. I agree with you there. Many other games handled this situation better. They ended the major risk of PKing and that neat element of risk the wildy once had (can't wait for the people who dont know what d hide is or how to turn on run energy to try to claim that revs are any replacement for them.)



Skillcapes were perhaps an even bigger mistake, they completely twisted and warped this game.
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I agree with TheDay on those, being that Jagex handled the RWT pretty poorly (adding new updates to compensate for flaws - d stones, lumby chest, bh revamping...) and that skill capes add a perverse effect on the game. The thing is though, players were the one asking for a status item showing 99 in a skill. I don't think Jagex is too blame for this, but the average player is. I must also add that I don't really care about skill capes as I own a fire cape which is still better than these.


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You can be 10 years old and be mature enough to post (not spam) sensible and appropriate replies/topics. Your brain doesn't need to be "fully developed" to post sensible comments. Sure, it is more common for kids to be immature, but more teenagers and even some adults can be immature too.(not in brain development, in actions)


No, it's not. All I'm saying is that the older you are, the more mature you are. It's an undeniable fact, and I don't see how your trying to argue against it. Maturity isn't a switch, it's a level.
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I'm getting tired of all this garbage about the decline of "maturity". There was never a period of perfect intellectual greatness in this game (thank god). I don't even understand how a community like that would be remotely interesting to be part of.


Wow. Let this be the day that Hell dropped a few degrees, since I actually agree with you here. The "halcyon days" of RuneScape are not so "halcyon" as we like to remember. Maturity? It existed to the same degree that it did back then.



Mod MMG has actually made a few turn-arounds to the way that Jagex interacts with players. You've really got to lurk more often here, you'd know that Jagex has finally begun to open up to fansites in an official capacity.

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RUDE RANT:

PART 1: YOUR RANT AND HOW KIDS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM:

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First, let me start with TheDayRSDied. Skill capes did nothing to ruin the game, they allowed higher level players to show that they have no life and have accomplished hitting that 99 skill level. While some were complete and immature douche bags and carried them around F2P worlds to be hailed as gods, it did nothing to hinder my experience with the game, and made me more likely to level up so I could walk around with that cape and laugh as the little noobies followed me and asked to see my emote.



EatRuneArrow had been gone for so long, and I finally thought he/she/troll had given up. It's been over a year since the update, and you still find ways to bring your argument up in new ways. First it was the direct approach with the whiny "JaGEX R TEH NUBS!", then "I WILL NEVER PLAY AGAIN!" then "RUNESCAPE USED TO BE GREAT". Really? You have to have multiple threads over the loss of the wild. You would think there were better things to do in the world than complain about an online game that you can play for free, like read a book, or complain about something worth your time.



Yes, I will admit that I have noticed that the community is dying out. But you seem to blame it on little kids. I was ten or eleven when I first started playing, and so were most of my friends. Hell, half the people playing were probably below the age of 13. And what's this about a good community? I don't think it was any better or any worse than it is now. You are still either a "Noob" a "Choob" or a "No Lifer". There's no way to combat that. That's what the internet is is a cespool of immaturity and pornography and idiots. Not all of it of course, but it's been that way as long as I've used Google to look up "Pretty Flowers" or "Monkeys". It applies to Runescape as well.



Let me tell you a story. I started RS2 around 03-04. I played because I found it on Miniclips. NUMBER 1: Everyone complained about how many little kids were coming in on Miniclips so the site took it down.



I then introduced my friends and over the next years, we never got a black mark or anything because we played nicely and were not bad. Do not blame the kids for how bad Runescape is now. It always had kids, will always have kids, and Jagex will probably be kind of dependent on kids to help bring in more audience members.



And maybe you're wondering why kids keep coming in? IT APPEALS TO KIDS! ITS FREE! Mom and Dad don't have to pay 15 dollars a month to let their son/daughter/troll play! And it appeals to kids! A fantasy world with the occasional wisecrack and a community full of other people to talk to?



WoW has a much bigger problem than RS with little kids. Those 14 day free trials have lead to so many veteran players getting annoyed because every day more and more ten year olds go on and start cussing and doing things they are not supposed too.



PART 2: WHAT THE PROBLEM IS:

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The problem with the game is not JaGEX removing the wild and taking away your life, the problem is not children who play, the problems not the prices rising and falling like a boat in a storm. THE PROBLEM IS:

*Drumroll please*

YOU! That's right. Whine all you want but PKers were the group I had the most problems with during my years on Runescape. They were usually rude, and anyone who would stoop so low as to drag a new player into the wild just for the hell of it are just plain idiots.

I remember my times getting lied to by a person I trusted. We were helping each other fight some kind of monster and he helped me through a quest that gave me money, and then he said he wanted to take me to the next quest that would give me twice the amount of money from the first. I was happy with the guy, and guess what? He took me to the wild and slaughtered me!

That's the biggest problem I had with it. I never heard of the wine of Zammorack, and had just gotten my new mithril shield. Some guy took me to the wine, told me it was worth five thousand, and left me to die as he stole my money.

I would hear the story from tons of friends. They worked hard as new players to get used to what was going on, figure out there surroundings, and overcome the problems they had at first.

Do you remember your first time playing? It was overwhelming! They gave you no objectives and after carefully guiding you through your pre-life, you then get kicked into the real world where everything is hustle and bustle, and the hand does not guide you (kind of like the REAL WORLD!). And then you meet a guy who would love to help you and he kills you. It was stupid, rude, inconsiderate, and just plain wrong.

And then you would have the a-holes at the wilderness arena, willing to kill you just for your half a slice of cake. Then the guys that would wait next to the lever so they could kill someone who did not know what it did and got transported to their doom. Then you would challenge someone and next thing you know a whole team with this guy the whole time appears and swallows you in large red hit warnings.

If anything, I hated most of the PKers, they usually would ruin the experience. The kids were not the problem, it was people who were level 70 and may have been older than us who would kill us for the hell of it.

Why would I feel bad when almost everyone I know who played back then had an experience like that with them?

They didn't need to go away completely, but they did need to get a kick in the [wagon] and someone to tell them how wrong they were.



Part 3: Trading

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Prices have been going up and down and changing more than I could ever have thought. I like it this way though. Call me a noob or something like that but I think it's kind of like real life. If one set of people start to wither away whatever they bought on a regular basis would go up (in this case, armor and weapons) and whatever they produced would go up as well. The prices were real hard to get used to the beginning of last year, but then the grand exchange came. I've always loved it. It helped keep prices somewhat stable and made it easier to buy stuff. No, it was not good for the trader who would either cheat people out of money or were real good at bargaining, but it would stop the idiots who convinced noobs to give them their armor so they could "trim it".

I've never understood why everyone complains about prices, but that's my opinion. And I know it doesn't count, but how does yours count any more than mine? In the grand scheme of things, its Jagex who made the game, Jagex can destroy it however they want, they can change it however they want, they can ban whoever they want.

I believe though that the new guy in charge was letting people give him suggestions to make the game better, and everyone said bring back the wild. He explained why he couldn't in depth, if I could find that article I will post it.



Part 4: Playing Runescape Today:

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Runescape today is just as good as it was years ago I think. The people are pretty much the same minus a couple groups that we could have done without. The loss of the PKers was a huge blow to Jagex membership, but they still stood tall and their tower didn't crumble after all of the spam and complaining that everyone did over the games loss. They were quite easy going, and did not seem to affected. They tried to create ways so PKers could still enjoy the game. Bounty Hunter failed miserably. I found clan wars to be the most addicting thing to do on F2P. The PK worlds are alright, but as a non PKer, I don't understand how they are any different from the original Wild. Yes the people are total wussies, and would rather run to the safe spot instead of face death, but it still has the same ammount of danger and douchebaggery as the original wild did.



Part 5: End It:

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I may have gotten off subject, and I apologize, but I feel that this is just another "Bring Back Wild" rant. You've already established yourself as a cry baby EatRuneArrow, and I applaude that you do keep trying, but in this case it's pathetic considering this is a video game. It was Once a Great Game, and is Still A Great Game. Just because you were a PKer does not mean that everyone will agree that Jagex ruined the game. A lot of people did not PK, and a lot of newer people do not know what PKing was. It doesn't matter anymore, and if you can't accept it:



QUIT!



I've seen every one of your rants, and in all of them you complain and complain, and yet still play the game? How can you complain so much about a game you so obviously enjoy? You have to enjoy a game to keep the stats you have! If you're so pissed at Jagex and can't quit these rants, than quit the game! Club Penguin has some great PKing including such fun minigames as catching more fish than your opponet, connect four, and throwing bags of coffee into a truck.



The game will never return to the way it was back in 2004 because if it did, I would deffinately say "Screw It" and quit. 2004 sucked for me, the casual player. 2009 sucks for you, the hardcore PKer, that seems like a kind of torn demographic. One side says Jagex sucks, one side it's perfectly fine now.



Give up now. Just because you have TheDayRSDIED praising you as a god does not mean that you have to continue on your little tirade.



And whoever calls me a Jagex fanboy, once again, must remember that they are crying over a game that they obviously have some kind of ties to emotionally if they are complaining, and that makes them just as much, or even more of a fanboy than me.



SUMMARY:

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Runescape in 2004 was a place for spammers, scammers, and every other kind of internet dirt bag you could think of.

Runescape in 2009 is exactly what it was in 2004, minus the people who ruined the experience with their idiotic schemes and scams.

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A rant for veteran players ? Speak for yourself please.



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impressive post.



A little long, maybe put some "hide" tabs to shorten it.
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