Somalia pirate situation

[Kaida23]

The amount of ships being taken now is ridiculous, do they have any form of protecting themselves? Firearms, protection of certain countries Navies? Should arm them all with M16's and see how long the pirates will decide to keep hijacking boats. I'm normally a pacifist to these things, but it's getting seriously out of hand and it seems the only incentive for them to stop is to start a death toll of pirates.

 

Not everyone on a ship is a military trained combat veteran you know. Despite what you may have seen in movies, most sailors are simply that: sailors. It's their job. Do you have to go to work with a gun? Yes, there is the risk of being attacked by pirates. I could get mugged walking to the store, does that mean I should carry a gun?

 

 

 

Besides, not every country allows their sailors to carry weapons. I read once that the Russian government hasn't allowed either their navy or merchant marine sailors to carry small arms since the mutiny on the battleship Potemkin in 1905. Officers, yes, but not the rank-and-file seamen.

[Racheya]

Anyway, on topic, another ship captured today:

 

Pirates have hijacked a tanker off the coast of Somalia, maritime officials say, days after several pirates were killed by US and French forces.

 

 

 

In the latest in a string of attacks by pirates seeking ransom payments, a freighter named as the MV Irene was taken in the Gulf of Aden.

 

Bloody hell! Another ship? :shock:

 

 

 

the mutiny on the battleship Potemkin in 1905.

 

Hehe I read that as Pokemon

[Kaida23]

the mutiny on the battleship Potemkin in 1905.

 

Hehe I read that as Pokemon

 

Lol. Maybe that's the answer: arm all the ships with the ultimate weapon...MUDKIPZ! :lol:

[Biabf]

Pirates have used rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons to attack another US merchant ship off the coast of Somalia.

 

 

 

The pirates damaged the Liberty Sun, which was carrying a cargo of food aid, but were not able to board it.

 

After they've sworn to kill US and French sailors...

[eggzs]

They can arm themselves especially in international waters but the fact is if they have guns and start shooting, it will provoke the pirates into shooting/killing them instead of their lives being spared for ransom.

[chinesrat]

The amount of ships being taken now is ridiculous, do they have any form of protecting themselves? Firearms, protection of certain countries Navies? Should arm them all with M16's and see how long the pirates will decide to keep hijacking boats. I'm normally a pacifist to these things, but it's getting seriously out of hand and it seems the only incentive for them to stop is to start a death toll of pirates.

 

 

 

Ahh reminds me of when i was kid, chasing pirates around the sea. Can't they give them a cooler name than "pirates" I keep thinking of like Jack Sparrow taking over a ship...

[H2PM]

The amount of ships being taken now is ridiculous, do they have any form of protecting themselves? Firearms, protection of certain countries Navies? Should arm them all with M16's and see how long the pirates will decide to keep hijacking boats. I'm normally a pacifist to these things, but it's getting seriously out of hand and it seems the only incentive for them to stop is to start a death toll of pirates.

 

 

 

Ahh reminds me of when i was kid, chasing pirates around the sea. Can't they give them a cooler name than "pirates" I keep thinking of like Jack Sparrow taking over a ship...

 

 

 

Piartes Of The Indean Ocean!

 

*POTC theme plays*

[mmmcannibalism]

well, the pirates have continued to attack American and French ships.

 

 

 

Im waiting for the "big" countries involved to start some type of blockade

[ember3579]

well, the pirates have continued to attack American and French ships.

 

 

 

Im waiting for the "big" countries involved to start some type of blockade

 

 

 

 

 

A sea-based blockade won't do jack to stop their capability to launch these raids, unless if it's right off the coast so they can't get out to attack and back scot-free. We need people on the ground in order to stop these with any real effectiveness, and we all know how hard THAT is to organize. It's a lose-lose situation. We can't do anything substantial on our own, and we can't wipe our hands of the area (it's a pretty big trade route).

[mmmcannibalism]

well, the pirates have continued to attack American and French ships.

 

 

 

Im waiting for the "big" countries involved to start some type of blockade

 

 

 

 

 

A sea-based blockade won't do jack to stop their capability to launch these raids, unless if it's right off the coast so they can't get out to attack and back scot-free. We need people on the ground in order to stop these with any real effectiveness, and we all know how hard THAT is to organize. It's a lose-lose situation. We can't do anything substantial on our own, and we can't wipe our hands of the area (it's a pretty big trade route).

 

 

 

With a lot of destroyers and great radar tracking I think it could be managed.

[1_man_army]

well, the pirates have continued to attack American and French ships.

 

 

 

Im waiting for the "big" countries involved to start some type of blockade

 

 

 

A blockade of what, the Gulf of Aden? You do realise that a blockade of that Gulf would mean all freight taking an Africa-long detour right? There is no way you can just blockade Somali, it has too much coastline to do it and a lot of poor Somali's rely on that Gulf to provide for their families (fishermen and whatnot).

 

 

 

If that wasn't what you meant then this is irrelevant.

[mmmcannibalism]

well, the pirates have continued to attack American and French ships.

 

 

 

Im waiting for the "big" countries involved to start some type of blockade

 

 

 

A blockade of what, the Gulf of Aden? You do realise that a blockade of that Gulf would mean all freight taking an Africa-long detour right? There is no way you can just blockade Somali, it has too much coastline to do it and a lot of poor Somali's rely on that Gulf to provide for their families (fishermen and whatnot).

 

 

 

If that wasn't what you meant then this is irrelevant.

 

 

 

probably just a blockade of the area around the concentration of trouble, not sure how viable this is but it should be considered.

 

 

 

When I say blockade, it would be more accurately be called heavy presense and monitoring, actually trying to close every port in the area would be ludicrous.

 

 

 

when I say

[1_man_army]

The problem is that they operate right along the coastline and the Somali coastline is exactly 3,025 km long (I knew it was long but I had to look it up). It's impossible to monitor that whole area effectively. The other problem is that these pirates don't fly the skull and crossbones, for all intents and purposes they look like the boats fishermen use which is why they are so hard to identify and catch.

[magekillr]

In order to stop the main causes of the pirate recruitment, the West needs to stop illegally fishing off of their coastline and stop dumping nuclear waste.

 

 

 

Now, the leaders don't really give a damn about that, just like Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinians, but the people that they recruit do. So stop the illegal dumping and fishing, and the piracy will begin to dissipate. Now the people behind the piracy are only after money, but they'll lose support if these things are stopped.

 

 

 

Of course...that doesn't solve the issues with Somalia, or piracy completely, but you'd see a lot less attacks.

[RichieMcD]

The amount of ships being taken now is ridiculous, do they have any form of protecting themselves? Firearms, protection of certain countries Navies? Should arm them all with M16's and see how long the pirates will decide to keep hijacking boats. I'm normally a pacifist to these things, but it's getting seriously out of hand and it seems the only incentive for them to stop is to start a death toll of pirates.

 

Not everyone on a ship is a military trained combat veteran you know. Despite what you may have seen in movies, most sailors are simply that: sailors. It's their job. Do you have to go to work with a gun? Yes, there is the risk of being attacked by pirates. I could get mugged walking to the store, does that mean I should carry a gun?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Care to point out where I looked so ignorant that I assumed they're all arms trained vets? There's a difference between being mugged and your ship being hijacked by extremely dangerous and unpredictable pirates, it's a pretty ridiculous comparison. Care to find me a story where 3 muggers had to be killed?

 

 

 

Comparing street crime to an increasing amount of ships being hijacked by dangerous pirates is just ignorant. It is relatively simple to arm the ship employees for their own safety, it would only require basic arms training and a weapon suited for the situation, IMO a SMG such as a MP5, they're not going into a war zone after all.

[Kaida23]

Comparing street crime to an increasing amount of ships being hijacked by dangerous pirates is just ignorant.

 

Apparently you, fortunately, live in an area that does not have street gangs.

 

It is relatively simple to arm the ship employees for their own safety, it would only require basic arms training and a weapon suited for the situation, IMO a SMG such as a MP5, they're not going into a war zone after all.

 

If they're not going into a war zone, then why arm them? Also, if they're given SMGs, it will become a war zone. It's called escalation.

 

 

 

You can't simply assume that just because a person is trained with a weapon that they're actually capable of killing someone. I don't know if I could do it, could you?

[RichieMcD]

Comparing street crime to an increasing amount of ships being hijacked by dangerous pirates is just ignorant.

 

Apparently you, fortunately, live in an area that does not have street gangs.

 

 

 

 

Do some research before making assumptions, on a per-capita basis Ireland is the most violent country in western Europe, 2 years ago there were more gang related deaths in Dublin than there was in London, take into account London is 13 times the size of Dublin and renowned for it's knife crime. Vast areas of Dublin now are being indirectly controlled by drugs and the ganglords running the drug gangs.

 

 

 

And yes, I do feel if my life or anothers was at risk from criminals I would be able to shoot.

[Dizzle229]

Whatever happened to that guy Boyah? Surprised he hasn't been caught/killed yet.

[Deiophobus]

Comparing street crime to an increasing amount of ships being hijacked by dangerous pirates is just ignorant.

 

Apparently you, fortunately, live in an area that does not have street gangs.

 

 

 

 

Do some research before making assumptions, on a per-capita basis Ireland is the most violent country in western Europe, 2 years ago there were more gang related deaths in Dublin than there was in London, take into account London is 13 times the size of Dublin and renowned for it's knife crime. Vast areas of Dublin now are being indirectly controlled by drugs and the ganglords running the drug gangs.

 

 

 

And yes, I do feel if my life or anothers was at risk from criminals I would be able to shoot.

 

 

 

I believe you, but when I was in Dublin I walked around quite a bit at night (probably not the smartest thing to do), and it seemed pretty peaceful to me. Maybe only locals get attacked, eh?

[Kaida23]

...on a per-capita basis Ireland is the most violent country in western Europe...Vast areas of Dublin now are being indirectly controlled by drugs and the ganglords running the drug gangs.

 

And yet, you felt that my comparison of pirate attacks to street crime was "ignorant"? :-s

 

Yes, I was aware of how violence has torn apart the streets of Ireland. Next time I will place [sarcasm][/sarcasm] around such remarks so you don't get confused.

[mmmcannibalism]

In order to stop the main causes of the pirate recruitment, the West needs to stop illegally fishing off of their coastline and stop dumping nuclear waste.

 

 

 

Now, the leaders don't really give a damn about that, just like Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinians, but the people that they recruit do. So stop the illegal dumping and fishing, and the piracy will begin to dissipate. Now the people behind the piracy are only after money, but they'll lose support if these things are stopped.

 

 

 

Of course...that doesn't solve the issues with Somalia, or piracy completely, but you'd see a lot less attacks.

 

 

 

Im inclined to call shenanigans, these are pirates after money not something like hamas that is claiming a political agenda. Not to say there isnt dumping or a fishing problem but I would like to see a source for something that hasnt been brought up. Poverty is going to be the primary cause here, the pirates were simply making money off of ransoms not killing people.

[RichieMcD]

...on a per-capita basis Ireland is the most violent country in western Europe...Vast areas of Dublin now are being indirectly controlled by drugs and the ganglords running the drug gangs.

 

And yet, you felt that my comparison of pirate attacks to street crime was "ignorant"? :-s

 

Yes, I was aware of how violence has torn apart the streets of Ireland. Next time I will place [sarcasm][/sarcasm] around such remarks so you don't get confused.

 

 

 

I really don't see how any of your comments were supposed to come off as sarcastic, try and add something to the topic instead of trying to make me look ignorant perhaps, it's rather childish.

 

 

 

Comparing street crime to an increasing amount of ships being hijacked by dangerous pirates is just ignorant.

 

Apparently you, fortunately, live in an area that does not have street gangs.

 

 

 

 

Do some research before making assumptions, on a per-capita basis Ireland is the most violent country in western Europe, 2 years ago there were more gang related deaths in Dublin than there was in London, take into account London is 13 times the size of Dublin and renowned for it's knife crime. Vast areas of Dublin now are being indirectly controlled by drugs and the ganglords running the drug gangs.

 

 

 

And yes, I do feel if my life or anothers was at risk from criminals I would be able to shoot.

 

 

 

I believe you, but when I was in Dublin I walked around quite a bit at night (probably not the smartest thing to do), and it seemed pretty peaceful to me. Maybe only locals get attacked, eh?

 

 

 

It really does depend on where you walk and some areas are really down to what street you're walking on, for example Talbot street is relatively safe, yet if you took any of the roads going off it you're in a pretty dangerous area renowned for drugs and crime. What parts were you walking around out of curiosity?