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Is knowledge infinite or finite? Is there a limit to the amount of facts there are in the universe? This question has been bothering me lately.

 

 

 

I want to say yes because I don't see how it's logically possible for there to be an unreachable amount of knowledge - omniscience would be impossible, and even if you had an infinite amount of time to learn all you can, you still wouldn't be able to know it all. Then again, facts will be created throughout the flow of time. For example: A computer is an electronic device. This fact didn't exist several decades ago so does that suggest that knowledge is infinite?

 

 

 

What ya think?

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I say knowledge is infinite,because by time we keep discovering lots of new things,so even if we assume that we know everything about a subject,there's far more we don't know about.

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It is infinite because there will always be something new, though there is a limit for US. The human mind can only hold so much, though I don't know whether or not that boundry has been found yet.

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technically infinite, but from a practical perspecitve its finite.

 

 

 

since everything should have a scientific law you could know everything but since knowing whats going on in each point in the universe would be infinite its a bit murky.

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The universe has finite knowledge because knowledge is being lost as fast as its created.

 

 

 

Knowledge can be lost? Please do explain.

 

 

 

If nobody passes on the knowledge, and the means to gain it is lost, the knowledge is lost.

 

 

 

and the full understanding of something will be lost when its discoverer dies

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Virtually everything in the universe is changing; to even know what's happening at the current time is impossible, as there is a finite amount of information that is updating at infinite speed. I'm looking at it more from the physical perspective then scientific, as that's generally the only place where infinity can be found :P

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Knowledge cannot be finite unless time stops. As time goes on, events occur, and knowledge is created about those events.

 

Neither time nor knowledge is infinite.

 

To say time is infinite is to make everything with a probability of less than 1, to 1. There will be an infinite amount of copies of you, according to your false time theory.

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The universe has finite knowledge because knowledge is being lost as fast as its created.

 

 

 

Knowledge can be lost? Please do explain.

 

 

 

If nobody passes on the knowledge, and the means to gain it is lost, the knowledge is lost.

 

 

 

and the full understanding of something will be lost when its discoverer dies

 

 

 

That is not true.

 

 

 

Our method of thinking can be written down, if someone was to determined enough to read all of that, they would gain full understanding, both of the person who discovered it, how the discovery came about, and their thoughts on it.

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Knowledge that is lost, on a practical level, is the same as knowledge that hasn't been discovered. The difference is that one is lost (probably) permanently while the other just hasn't been found.

 

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It's infinite in that it's always changing too. If you believe in evolution there's no limit to what one could learn in Biology, for example. And that's just in one area of science.

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The universe has finite knowledge because knowledge is being lost as fast as its created.

 

 

 

Knowledge can be lost? Please do explain.

 

 

 

If nobody passes on the knowledge, and the means to gain it is lost, the knowledge is lost.

 

 

 

and the full understanding of something will be lost when its discoverer dies

 

 

 

That is not true.

 

 

 

Our method of thinking can be written down, if someone was to determined enough to read all of that, they would gain full understanding, both of the person who discovered it, how the discovery came about, and their thoughts on it.

 

Still, no one will ever know that I stole that lego from my school when I was little when I die, if I hadn't told you people.

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Well, as long as things are happening, we can learn about them. This applys to everything, so when 'everything' stops, then there will be nothing new to learn.

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Knowledge cannot be finite unless time stops. As time goes on, events occur, and knowledge is created about those events.

 

Neither time nor knowledge is infinite.

 

To say time is infinite is to make everything with a probability of less than 1, to 1. There will be an infinite amount of copies of you, according to your false time theory.

 

 

 

Seems logical enough, but when do you see time stopping?

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Knowledge cannot be finite unless time stops. As time goes on, events occur, and knowledge is created about those events.

 

Neither time nor knowledge is infinite.

 

To say time is infinite is to make everything with a probability of less than 1, to 1. There will be an infinite amount of copies of you, according to your false time theory.

 

 

 

Seems logical enough, but when do you see time stopping?

 

 

 

Time for us, I believe that our own concept of time stops when we die.

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For any human it's impossible to know absolutely everything, there's far too much information and books and new researches going on ect. ect.

 

However, if everyone on this planet were be plugged into a central computer "brain", I think we could be able to measure the finite amount of knowledge.

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Yes, between everyone on the planet, we could learn everything we possibly could, which may lead to new ways to discover what we do not know.

 

 

 

However, who seriously wants their thoughts to be known by a central computer "brain"?

 

 

 

I do. It's one of my ambitions to get one started.

 

 

 

Back to topic-- since artificial constructs like philosophy and ethics will always exist and change, knowledge shall always be there to be learned. Humans change because of physical factors, changes that end up snowballing into huge shifts in thought processes, and so, the social atmosphere at any period in time.

 

 

 

Even if we don't count 'fake' social knowledge as knowledge, there is always the Universe that exists when we do not observe it. It is wholly different from what we see now, a cloud of wave forms and uncertainties in particulate locations that lends itself to some very odd behavior. Laws apparently do not hold up at this level, urging us to research more, but some cruel hand of Universal development or God makes it take up definite states when a conscious person observes it.

 

 

 

Knowledge is seemingly infinite to a race that cannot learn without the need to observe.

 

 

 

When this plateau is reached, the foundations of science give way, and you are left with something more spiritual. A religion. People relying on intuition to glean answers, in some transcendentalist attempt to decipher all the oddities of our world.

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That's really what religion is/was. It's always been a way to explain what knowledge at the time couldn't. Creationism exists because there was a time before people learned about evolution, for example. God/s exist because there are even today mysteries about the beginnings, consciousness, etc, and at the moment that's the best answer. Eventually that may change, though I think there will never be a time where we know everything about everything. :lol:

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It's all based on whether the universe is infinite or finite. I can't conclusively tell you that it's finite or infinite. I can hypothesize that the universe is infinite. For this case, it's like an innocent until proven guilty approach. Now, if the universe is infinite, the events that occur within the universe is infinite. Time can be seen as infinite as well. Unless time stops, events will not stop. But wait. That in itself is a flawed statement. In essence, knowledge will only become finite once everything has been learned and all possibilities of new data are erased. *recalls an episode of Futurama* Now of course, this is for things that occur only in our universe. I haven't even begun expanding on the concepts of multiverses.

 

 

 

And I'm Atheist. I don't have a religion. But you're correct nonetheless.

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It is impossible to know all of them but it is 100% sure that events will continue occurring forever (even after the entropic death of the universe) and that means there will always be more historic facts existing and that will be infinite. Scientific knowledge is probably infinite too, but I cannot prove this.

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