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At first it didn't seem to affect me much but slowly they are beginning to make everything so annoying in Runescape.

 

 

 

Everytime I need to buy a piece of armour, or a wild pie for an achievement, or even strawberries for payment to my farmers I can't. This is all due to stupid price manipulators who change the market just so they can cheat there way in to making a quick few million gps.

 

 

 

Honestly Jagex should make price manipulating against the rules, or at least price manipulating clans. I can no longer buy something without checking it's GE graphs to see if I'm going to lose a ton of cash. It's basically an indirect way of scamming people that should stop.

 

 

 

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It's all the G.E. The GE is worse than the worst scammer ever was, It forces EVERYONE into complying with a giant scam.

 

 

 

The G.E is a complete failure and disaster.

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It's all the G.E. The GE is worse than the worst scammer ever was, It forces EVERYONE into complying with a giant scam.

 

 

 

The G.E is a complete failure and disaster.

 

 

 

Oh look, the troll is crying about the GE again. Still hasn't quit, how unsurprising.

 

 

 

And Jagex has been making updates to refine the GE and make it harder for clans to alter the prices. It just needs more work.

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I think the problem has always been there, it's just that with the introduction of the G.E., even lower, poorer players are able to make millions by "cheating on the G.E."

 

 

 

It's not investing, the actual market is not driving the price increase. Maybe we could stop buying what they're selling? Yea, lets just go without prayer pots, see how that goes...

 

 

 

It's just frustrating I guess.

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And Jagex has been making updates to refine the GE and make it harder for clans to alter the prices. It just needs more work.

 

 

 

Possibly, However the changes they plan on are not necesarily for the best... They plan on partly removing amount limits on certain items, and eventually removing the top and bottom price caps. They don't want a fixed economy anymore, they want a working one. That would get rid of most of the junk because their price would drop to the true junk-value, but imagine what could happen without price caps...

 

 

 

To be honest I rather have an extremely fixed economy - or no economy at all - than an economy determined and set by merchers.

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I can't stand the manipulation. I just don't see how merchanters should be rewarded for standing in a bank all day. They ignore the one point of Runescape; playing Runescape. I don't necessarily think it should be against the rules, but at this point in time I'd much rather have a fixed price economy than one driven by people who ruin the worth of items in order to get yet another person to 99 Fletching or Cooking... :(

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Blame the GE not the people... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

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Blame the GE not the people... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

 

Let's take this logic and change it.

 

 

 

Blame the gun no the people.... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

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It's all the G.E. The GE is worse than the worst scammer ever was, It forces EVERYONE into complying with a giant scam.

 

 

 

The G.E is a complete failure and disaster.

 

Lol. The GE is designed to make trades easier, which it does. Apparently it does its job, because people rarely trade the old fashioned way nowadays. Yes, price manipulation might be a nuisance, but in general, people like the GE. No [developmentally delayed]ed conspiracy theories from your hand will change that.

 

 

 

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It's all the G.E. The GE is worse than the worst scammer ever was, It forces EVERYONE into complying with a giant scam.

 

 

 

The G.E is a complete failure and disaster.

 

Lol. The GE is designed to make trades easier, which it does. Apparently it does its job, because people rarely trade the old fashioned way nowadays. Yes, price manipulation might be a nuisance, but in general, people like the GE. No [developmentally delayed] conspiracy theories from your hand will change that.

 

 

 

Sorry, you failed.

 

 

 

People don't trade the "old fashoined" way because you have to accept GE price anyway. In the time period during November-December 2007 where you could choose the GE and get the joke price or just trade and get the real price, a large minority, and possibly a majority ignored the GE.

 

 

 

These aren't conspiracies, these are facts. Two minutes an any merchanting chat will clearly show how easy it is to manipulate G.E prices. There are dozens of online forums and websites dedicated to manipulating GE prices.

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Yeah I know how easy it is, doesn't make the GE a failure. That's just total nonsense and you know it.

 

 

 

Price manipulation isn't a good thing, but you seem to have lost all sense of context.

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Have you ever sold something for a price other than the mid, in the GE?

 

Congratulations, you've just played a role in manipulating the price of an item.

 

 

 

These merchanting clans are a failure, just a fad. Most people in them do not walk away with a profit, and they don't earn money "instantly", in the sense that chopping down a yew tree gets you about 400 gp "instantly". Most of the stuff they do anyway is a gamble.

 

 

 

The fact that you're not buying the items you want is a failure of the GE to change prices adequately, the market isn't able to do its job.

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This is why I just think that if Jagex made Merchanting clans against the rules we'd see a lot better trades within the GE. Even though people would find ways to brake the rule at least if you were able to report hearing people talk about it in and out of chats we could get somewhere by eliminating the large clans so that only really small and secretive ones could work which would reduce their profits do to less people.

 

 

 

The GE isn't a failure, people just make it worse than it should be.

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Have you ever sold something for a price other than the mid, in the GE?

 

Congratulations, you've just played a role in manipulating the price of an item.

 

 

 

These merchanting clans are a failure, just a fad. Most people in them do not walk away with a profit, and they don't earn money "instantly", in the sense that chopping down a yew tree gets you about 400 gp "instantly". Most of the stuff they do anyway is a gamble.

 

 

 

The fact that you're not buying the items you want is a failure of the GE to change prices adequately, the market isn't able to do its job.

 

 

 

Sees all, people buy/sell things other than the mid price in the GE because they are not buying or selling.

 

 

 

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I think price manipulating is just stupid. People are buying useless items, making the price rise. I mean, what's the use of fire tiaras? People WANT to make the price of them rise, just because they want a profit. These kinds of clans which support this should be stopped.

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Yeah I know how easy it is, doesn't make the GE a failure. That's just total nonsense and you know it.

 

 

 

Price manipulation isn't a good thing, but you seem to have lost all sense of context.

 

 

 

Yes it does. There are more and more merch clans every day. Eventually, a large percentage of items will be being merched. The GE did not change the people in the community, it just forced them to accept a new system. The same greedy guy who would walk into the wilderness with all of his valubles to get his ultra low priced whip, only to lose everything, is now joining a merch clan, only to get ripped off. Only difference is that then, only the origional "victim" paid for his mistake, and now everyone does.

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It's frustrating to get no strawberries, but when you have the opportunity to make millions at the drop of a hat, it all seems worth it.

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Blame the GE not the people... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

 

Let's take this logic and change it.

 

 

 

Blame the gun no the people.... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

 

 

 

Um yeah because killing people and getting GP in a game is the same thing. Really. Don't over exaggerate.

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Blame the GE not the people... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

 

Let's take this logic and change it.

 

 

 

Blame the gun no the people.... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

 

 

 

Don't be silly. You are comparing apples to oranges. Cheating a system and shooting someone are two very different things. If you want to make a valid analogy, take the time to think of one.

 

 

 

For example...

 

 

 

U.S. housing market. People took advantage of bad loans and intentionally inflated the market. Who is responsible? The people who took advantage of the system, as well as the regulators who allowed it to happen.

 

 

 

Who would be responsible for a Runescape economy crash? Merchanters for cheating the system, and Jagex for allowing it. It's human nature to take advantage of something. It's the job of those in charge to stop it before damage is done.

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Blame the GE not the people... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

 

Let's take this logic and change it.

 

 

 

Blame the gun no the people.... What idiot wouldn't take advantage of something when its placed in front of them?

 

 

 

Don't be silly. You are comparing apples to oranges. Cheating a system and shooting someone are two very different things. If you want to make a valid analogy, take the time to think of one.

 

 

 

For example...

 

 

 

U.S. housing market. People took advantage of bad loans and intentionally inflated the market. Who is responsible? The people who took advantage of the system, as well as the regulators who allowed it to happen.

 

 

 

Who would be responsible for a Runescape economy crash? Merchanters for cheating the system, and Jagex for allowing it. It's human nature to take advantage of something. It's the job of those in charge to stop it before damage is done.

 

 

 

People aren't going to let an advantage go just becasue it violates "video game morals". if Jagex does not take emergent gameplay into account when they develop, that is not the fault of their paying customers. If you release a very poorly designed, easily manipulated pile of garbage, you can't just expect players to "be nice" and not abuse all of the glaring problems with the system.

 

 

 

They can fix a problem, but if they just expect a problem to go away because of bizarre video game morals, the problem will just continue forever.

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Honestly? You all must be buying crazy crap because I never ever have this problem.

 

There's a simple solution: Wait a day. Or hell, buy it at +2 gp. It doesn't matter.

 

If you're looking at armour, just wait a day. It's not hard.

 

It's not price manipulation, it's taking advantage of one soft spot in the GE walls. Be patient young one.

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Honestly? You all must be buying crazy crap because I never ever have this problem.

 

There's a simple solution: Wait a day. Or hell, buy it at +2 gp. It doesn't matter.

 

If you're looking at armour, just wait a day. It's not hard.

 

It's not price manipulation, it's taking advantage of one soft spot in the GE walls. Be patient young one.

 

 

 

The thing is that I always check the GE graphs before buying or selling something and many times the graphs show a huge price [bleep]e or drop due from being merchanted. I can stand waiting a while if the item is more expensive and in demand but I hate having to find another way to get an item instantly cause a group of GE price manipulators currently own all of that item.

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