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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.



I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.



With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

With BOTH my max was 34



I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.



Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack


i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates



they DO NOT stack






Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).



Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.




How on earth does bonus stacking relate to xp anyway?



Sure if you tank out str bonus equipment so tht u can hit like 15 damage higher than u culd do without the str bonus you're gonna see a big xp increase.

But void and salve stackting ur looking at a gain of 2 - 3 max hit and a gain in accuracy whihc means it is more effective but the overall impact on xp rates isn't gonna be super duper huge.



And oh wow really you trained for a whole 24 hours? That really disapproves the fact I spent 2 weeks at about 6 - 8 hours a day training with the set up and consistently hit numbers that are 100% impossible to hit with my setup unless both bonuses were taking effect.

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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.



I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.



With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

With BOTH my max was 34



I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.



Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack


i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates



they DO NOT stack






Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).



Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.




How on earth does bonus stacking relate to xp anyway?



Sure if you tank out str bonus equipment so tht u can hit like 15 damage higher than u culd do without the str bonus you're gonna see a big xp increase.

But void and salve stackting ur looking at a gain of 2 - 3 max hit and a gain in accuracy whihc means it is more effective but the overall impact on xp rates isn't gonna be super duper huge.



And oh wow really you trained for a whole 24 hours? That really disapproves the fact I spent 2 weeks at about 6 - 8 hours a day training with the set up and consistently hit numbers that are 100% impossible to hit with my setup unless both bonuses were taking effect.

for things like this, 24 hours is generally enough to prove is they stack or not. i have seen j mods quote that they do not stack. i NEVER saw an increase in a max in it, i was actually hitting LOWER using both



and how does xp rates relate to stacking? wellllll durrrrrrrrrrrr, if they stack, you hit harder and mroe often = faster exp. did that even really need to be said though?

I'm gonna be walking down an alley in varrock, and walka is going to walk up to me in a trench coat and say "psst.. hey man, wanna buy some sara brew"

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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.



I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.



With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

With BOTH my max was 34



I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.



Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack


i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates



they DO NOT stack






Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).



Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.




How on earth does bonus stacking relate to xp anyway?



Sure if you tank out str bonus equipment so tht u can hit like 15 damage higher than u culd do without the str bonus you're gonna see a big xp increase.

But void and salve stackting ur looking at a gain of 2 - 3 max hit and a gain in accuracy whihc means it is more effective but the overall impact on xp rates isn't gonna be super duper huge.



And oh wow really you trained for a whole 24 hours? That really disapproves the fact I spent 2 weeks at about 6 - 8 hours a day training with the set up and consistently hit numbers that are 100% impossible to hit with my setup unless both bonuses were taking effect.

for things like this, 24 hours is generally enough to prove is they stack or not. i have seen j mods quote that they do not stack. i NEVER saw an increase in a max in it, i was actually hitting LOWER using both



and how does xp rates relate to stacking? wellllll durrrrrrrrrrrr, if they stack, you hit harder and mroe often = faster exp. did that even really need to be said though?




The increase from both as I stated is marginal so it doesnt have a huge impact on xp rate.



But they do stack

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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.



I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.



With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

With BOTH my max was 34



I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.



Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack


i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates



they DO NOT stack






Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).



Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.




How on earth does bonus stacking relate to xp anyway?



Sure if you tank out str bonus equipment so tht u can hit like 15 damage higher than u culd do without the str bonus you're gonna see a big xp increase.

But void and salve stackting ur looking at a gain of 2 - 3 max hit and a gain in accuracy whihc means it is more effective but the overall impact on xp rates isn't gonna be super duper huge.



And oh wow really you trained for a whole 24 hours? That really disapproves the fact I spent 2 weeks at about 6 - 8 hours a day training with the set up and consistently hit numbers that are 100% impossible to hit with my setup unless both bonuses were taking effect.

for things like this, 24 hours is generally enough to prove is they stack or not. i have seen j mods quote that they do not stack. i NEVER saw an increase in a max in it, i was actually hitting LOWER using both



and how does xp rates relate to stacking? wellllll durrrrrrrrrrrr, if they stack, you hit harder and mroe often = faster exp. did that even really need to be said though?




The increase from both as I stated is marginal so it doesnt have a huge impact on xp rate.



But they do stack

all my evidence has pointed to the contrary. can we just a gree to disagree and get over it?

I'm gonna be walking down an alley in varrock, and walka is going to walk up to me in a trench coat and say "psst.. hey man, wanna buy some sara brew"

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With all 99 combat stats its no wonder u didn't notice the difference.



Weapons cap out at a certain damage (Atleast i recall reading somewhere that they do)



So for the most part at all 99s you're not gonna gain higher hits from the double stack as the weps can't hit higher

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If Ring of Wealth works...why have I done over 400 tormented demons with the best drop being a rune square shield? Hmmm....archer ring from now on, I guess....
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With all 99 combat stats its no wonder u didn't notice the difference.



Weapons cap out at a certain damage (Atleast i recall reading somewhere that they do)



So for the most part at all 99s you're not gonna gain higher hits from the double stack as the weps can't hit higher


You still would notice a damage difference, you'd notice a HIGHER difference since it's a percentage boost.



No they don't. Only magic spells have damage cap. Melee can do as much damage as you have strength bonus. Theoretically you can hit 99 with a bronze dagger if you got enough strength bonus.
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If Ring of Wealth works...why have I done over 400 tormented demons with the best drop being a rune square shield? Hmmm....archer ring from now on, I guess....




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The ROW doesn't increase the chance of getting a rare drop directly; if you end up getting a rare drop, the ROW makes it more likely to be a better one (to use a previous example, you are more likely to get a Visage than a Dragon Skirt).

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If Ring of Wealth works...why have I done over 400 tormented demons with the best drop being a rune square shield? Hmmm....archer ring from now on, I guess....




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The ROW doesn't increase the chance of getting a rare drop directly; if you end up getting a rare drop, the ROW makes it more likely to be a better one (to use a previous example, you are more likely to get a Visage than a Dragon Skirt).


I killed 303 Bandos boss with ROW, and ended up with 3 shards and 2 boots.



I don't understand. How is it that Shards and boots are lowest valued drop (The bad ones) and yet with 303 kills and Ring of wealth equipped i did not get a valueable one such as Chestplate,tasset or hilt.



Now 5 items that's not considered the better rares. 5 chances to get a better rare, yet all 5 time i did not get them...

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I'm a bit confused by how long brawling gloves last. I'd also like to know if percentage bonuses (20% str boost) work on the basis of our strength level, strength bonus or both. If so I would like to know what bonus a level equals. Is 1 strength level equal to +1 strength boost? Are higher levels equal to a higher boost or the same? If anyone has answers I'd really appreciate it. :<img src=:' />


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I killed 303 Bandos boss with ROW, and ended up with 3 shards and 2 boots.



I don't understand. How is it that Shards and boots are lowest valued drop (The bad ones) and yet with 303 kills and Ring of wealth equipped i did not get a valueable one such as Chestplate,tasset or hilt.



Now 5 items that's not considered the better rares. 5 chances to get a better rare, yet all 5 time i did not get them...


You didn't get lucky. There's nothing more to it than that :wall:
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I killed 303 Bandos boss with ROW, and ended up with 3 shards and 2 boots.



I don't understand. How is it that Shards and boots are lowest valued drop (The bad ones) and yet with 303 kills and Ring of wealth equipped i did not get a valueable one such as Chestplate,tasset or hilt.



Now 5 items that's not considered the better rares. 5 chances to get a better rare, yet all 5 time i did not get them...


You didn't get lucky. There's nothing more to it than that :wall:


According to ElvargII the ROW makes you get a better rare (Hilt instead of shard). So there i got 5 rares, and all of them were not better ones.



So let's look at it. I got 5 chances to get a better rare and all of them was the less better rares.



If that's the case, then what's point with ROW then...

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I killed 303 Bandos boss with ROW, and ended up with 3 shards and 2 boots.



I don't understand. How is it that Shards and boots are lowest valued drop (The bad ones) and yet with 303 kills and Ring of wealth equipped i did not get a valueable one such as Chestplate,tasset or hilt.



Now 5 items that's not considered the better rares. 5 chances to get a better rare, yet all 5 time i did not get them...


You didn't get lucky. There's nothing more to it than that :wall:


According to ElvargII the ROW makes you get a better rare (Hilt instead of shard). So there i got 5 rares, and all of them were not better ones.



So let's look at it. I got 5 chances to get a better rare and all of them was the less better rares.



If that's the case, then what's point with ROW then...


You had a higher chance to get a better rare. You didn't get lucky, so you didn't. As I said before, the ROW does help but its impossible to test by how much it helps so it's up to you to decide whether it's worth it or not.
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From reading the article in the letters to Guthix or whatever, it's clear that he means there are two wheels. The most confusing line in the whole thing is "the ring will make thy chances of gaining an object on that second roulette wheel all the greater." While I assumed that any time you rolled the certain number on the first wheel, you got to the second wheel, possibly you must roll the certain number AND meet another arbitrary variable to make it to the second. The ROW could aid in meeting this arbitrary variable. This might be why there seem to be common, semi-rare, and rare drops. You get the common simply on the first wheel, you get the semi-rare while rolling the number and not meeting the arbitrary variable, and you get rare drops by meeting both. The ROW would simply decrease semi-rare drops and increase rare drops.



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I killed 303 Bandos boss with ROW, and ended up with 3 shards and 2 boots.



I don't understand. How is it that Shards and boots are lowest valued drop (The bad ones) and yet with 303 kills and Ring of wealth equipped i did not get a valueable one such as Chestplate,tasset or hilt.



Now 5 items that's not considered the better rares. 5 chances to get a better rare, yet all 5 time i did not get them...


You didn't get lucky. There's nothing more to it than that :wall:


According to ElvargII the ROW makes you get a better rare (Hilt instead of shard). So there i got 5 rares, and all of them were not better ones.



So let's look at it. I got 5 chances to get a better rare and all of them was the less better rares.



If that's the case, then what's point with ROW then...


You had a higher chance to get a better rare. You didn't get lucky, so you didn't. As I said before, the ROW does help but its impossible to test by how much it helps so it's up to you to decide whether it's worth it or not.


In other words...we need more info from Jagex. And i know ROW works, but i don't know how well and where and on what. All i can do is do a guess

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At least they give info nowadays,



long time ago they didn't even have a database
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Truth be told, I think someone cut out the "rares" portion of my ROW wheels...
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