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Here we go again. SwiftKit illegal to use


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Personally, I think mod Seven is full of [cabbage] and doesn't know what he's talking about. There are so many Jagex mods now I feel like they lose communication sometime. This could just be a situation where he never got the memo. lol.


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Doubtful.


"As mentioned earlier we will bring you an official policy statement when it is available."



In the meantime... :-w
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Like hell I'm getting off SK.




Bingo. I'm not going to open 6 different windows just to get access to everything that SK gives in one. It's simply a way to cut down killing your computer's RAM. I lag a helluva lot less with SK then I do with RS on IE and another window open for Irc just to talk to my clan.



As some other people have said, i'm not even considering removing SK until there is a front page thing about it. I think Seven is full of [cabbage].
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'da [bleep] does Mod Seven and Mod Crow know about policy? Let's not forget that a Jmod admitted that many of them have no idea what's going on in different departments, does it really surprise you that two Jmods aren't aware of certain rules?



Jagex had a massive change in the rules on 3rd party software over this a long time ago. They set the grounds that made a client legit, and swiftkit changed to meet that (removing quick-world changing among other things).



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This isn't the first case of a Jmod not knowing what they're talking about, and unless Jagex wants another spamfest on the game and forums, they should teach their mods the rules.
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Yes, Jagex originally announced on the main page that all 3rd party software was considered illegal to use, and this included SK (at the time known as Swiftswitch). The reasoning then was that SS included a world switcher which Jagex declared was giving players an unfair advantage.



The devs of SS removed the world switcher, and worked hard to comply with Jagex Rules. A few days later Jagex said SS was ok to use. I think this is where most of you are getting this.



Then, the next day, Jagex reversed their decision, but decided to post in the forums instead of on the main page. My guess is not to cause such an uproar as they did in the past. They claimed SK was blocking Jagex's ad banners. As far as I know, nothing had been said further on the topic until recently. However, 10s of thousands of players use it every day without hassle from Jagex. I am curious to see what Jagex plans to say about this, BUT I AM NOT WANTING TO START A FLAME WAR. I just wanted people to be aware of what was going on.



I don't know all the facts, and as some of you pointing out, the mods might not even know either.
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I'll continue to use Swiftkit as long as their isn't an offical announcement disallowing it. Not just some J-mod posting in some thread a good percentage of players haven't and may never read.


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SK IS ALLOWED, and the mod simply has no idea what they are talking about, Just a mis-communication.



Here is proof in Runescape's own rules:



Support > Other > Fansites > Section 8.

8. Can I use third-party RuneScape software?



We do not recommend players use third-party RuneScape-related software of any sort. Please be aware that there is software out there which claims to be a cool RuneScape add-on, but actually installs a keylogger on your computer and steals your password! You should also be aware that there is dangerous software around that won't necessarily be spotted by your anti-virus software. Scanning downloads is, of course, a very good idea, but it still doesn't 100% eliminate the risk.



Furthermore, if such software gives an unfair advantage, encourages rule-breaking, or endangers users' accounts then its use is not allowed under the Rules of RuneScape, and using it may result in your account being banned. If in doubt, don't use it!




Therefore, If the 3rd party client does not promote INGAME user advantage, then it is not against the rules.



SK has nice features such as IRC and screenshots, which are advantages, but not INGAME advantages, therefore not against the rules.



Unless MMG comes out when a statement on the main page saying SK is against the rules, we can assume its perfectly legal.



EDIT: Jagex will not promote SK however. If someone asks if a 3rd Party Client is against the rules, Jagex will say yes, even if its not specifically illegal. This is simply because they are against all 3rd party Clients regardless.
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I think one of the problems is that SK uses a lot of unlicensed jagex intellectual property. Also as SK runs ads (well on the mainpage) so theoretically strider is profiting from his program that is based around someone elses' work.

(Although I doubt strider makes anything with several websites and an irc server to pay for.)

I could be wrong here, but I doubt it's about runescape rules, more legal mumbo jumbo (and SK runs rwt ads)

anyway, does this count out the tipit helper thingy as well?

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Yes, Jagex originally announced on the main page that all 3rd party software was considered illegal to use, and this included SK (at the time known as Swiftswitch). The reasoning then was that SS included a world switcher which Jagex declared was giving players an unfair advantage.



The devs of SS removed the world switcher, and worked hard to comply with Jagex Rules. A few days later Jagex said SS was ok to use. I think this is where most of you are getting this.



Then, the next day, Jagex reversed their decision, but decided to post in the forums instead of on the main page. My guess is not to cause such an uproar as they did in the past. They claimed SK was blocking Jagex's ad banners. As far as I know, nothing had been said further on the topic until recently. However, 10s of thousands of players use it every day without hassle from Jagex. I am curious to see what Jagex plans to say about this, BUT I AM NOT WANTING TO START A FLAME WAR. I just wanted people to be aware of what was going on.



I don't know all the facts, and as some of you pointing out, the mods might not even know either.




I've seen ads while playing on sk.



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Being as they've said it will be announced on the front page, it most likely means they've discussed it, and it's "widely known" amongst the Jagex Staff. They wouldn't declare something to soon be put up on the front page, if it hadn't even been discussed amongst the staff. #-o



But, of course, I've never owned or been part of such a big company, I don't know how big companies operate; I could have been completely misled. Posted Image



Edit:

Just noticed something when I looked over this part of the RuneScape rules.



If the software has its own integrated chat feature, separate from the game chat, it should make it very clear to users that this chat is not part of our games and is not official, endorsed, or moderated by Jagex in any way. Furthermore, this chat should still be moderated (just not by us), and the moderators should not allow chat which infringes our Rules of Conduct. To avoid confusion with the official game chat, moderators of the external chat should not be indicated with a silver or gold crown. If the chat is IRC based, then the software should only allow access to IRC channels which conform with the above rules.


I don't know about anything else, but doesn't SK break this part of the rule? (bolded)

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Being as they've said it will be announced on the front page, it most likely means they've discussed it, and it's "widely known" amongst the Jagex Staff. They wouldn't declare something to soon be put up on the front page, if it hadn't even been discussed amongst the staff. #-o



But, of course, I've never owned or been part of such a big company, I don't know how big companies operate; I could have be completely misled. Posted Image




As companies go, jagex are tiny :P

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Wow, what a bunch of [cabbage]...

I'll use swiftkit until I get banned :twisted:

All the tools it has doesn't give me an in game advantage over other players, just convenience like having my screen shots get cropped and moved into the right folder instantly.
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Being as they've said it will be announced on the front page, it most likely means they've discussed it, and it's "widely known" amongst the Jagex Staff. They wouldn't declare something to soon be put up on the front page, if it hadn't even been discussed amongst the staff. #-o



But, of course, I've never owned or been part of such a big company, I don't know how big companies operate; I could have been completely misled. Posted Image




As companies go, jagex are tiny :P


You sure? Being the developers of one of the most popular MMORPGs out there, I would've figured they were a fairly large company. My bad, then.

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A jagex mod not knowing the policy? Now where I have heard that one before? Oh yes luring.
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Aww, is Jagex jealous that Swiftkit is so much better than their little half-assed client? Well, maybe they should get off their [wagon] and code that new client they promised us all that time ago during the first SS fiasco. I really can't understand this. WoW actually lets their players code actual addons to the game (some of which actually give something of an advantage in combat...), and Jagex is trying to ban a client which does nothing more than provide the useful utilities players would probably be using anyway in one convenient package. Not doing too well for your credibility, guys...

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i'm going to continue to use Swiftkit. If they start banning people for it, they're going to lose A LOT of customers.



To answer a couple questions.

- It does not block banner ads.

- It does not contain any copyrighted material, and rather links to the material.

- it provides convenience, not advantage. All of the material found in swiftkit could be found on fansites, or the official runescape website, Swiftkit just combines it all into one easy to use interface.



Either way, I'm going to continue using it. If they want to ban me, then they lose a loyal player for over 8 years. If that's their business model, then they're doomed to failure anyway.


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Like hell I'm getting off SK.


My sentiment exactly. SK gives no unfair advantages ingame, but has loads of features that I use, especially the screenshots. In addition, it poses no less security risk than a regular browser, because it loads RS with an IE dll (part of a program). Clients that do pose security risks are ones that load Runescape with their own (often malicious) code.
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Who cares, I see no benefits to using SS. RS has just about everything SS has now.




Quicklinks? High scores barely an inch away? MP3 player? IRC Built in? Calculators? Timers and Stopwatches? Notepad?

No?

Allright.


Quicklinks? Download the quicklink add-on to Mozilla Firefox.

Highscores? Who cares what rank you are in a skill, you can still see how far you are from a level in game.

MP3 player? Try iTunes.

IRC? Clan chat.

Calculators? Tip.it.

Timers? Worthless.

Notepad? Your computer comes with that.




Highscores - for looking up other people, not yourself :|

MP3 - Some people don't use iTunes

IRC is so much more useful than a CC, posting pics, having more people in it, not having to be on RS at the time of use, and EXP trackers.

Calculators - Its more convenient.




Yes, but I would like to point out that there are several other IRC clients out there.



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And this is without mIRC, notepad, and several other sites.



With SK: It's one window.

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I'd hate to take and crop pictures! :wall:



The screenshotter and highscores are my favorite things about sk.






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