meili Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 To OP: This is a very good post! Well written and I agree with everything you said. Really it puzzles me to this day why one earth Jagex felt that it was necessary to change the PvP gameplay so much with all these complicated rules. The Runescape Wilderness - Meili's Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Very well written rant. This is clearly up to the standard of the tip.it times, if not better. If you see this, I think you should submit it to the tip.it times staff/whatever. It deserves it, honestly. I'll just say this here. The whole thing isn't entirely Jagex's fault. Its stupid to try and please everyone, but players who rant and spam are probably one of the causes of this long chain of fluffy PvP updates. Yeah that frustrates me. Once a week I'll come across a lengthy post that I could easily see as being a Times article. :lol: Serious guys, if you ever write out an idea for a thread and it turns up pretty long, I bet it could easily be made into a Tip.It Times article. PM it to us! If it doesn't get used as an article you can turn it into a thread... I was considering it, but I guess it's too late? It would lose its touch, I think. Yeah you'd get 'OMG YOU ALREADY SED ALL THIS!!@@@' Maybe next time eh? : I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Hate_Libs Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I don't care for merchanters of any sort because they don't make money. They only aquire other people's wealth by being glorified middle men. As for skillers, get over it and fight something? So what player faction do you care about. :lol: I care about the players that actually do something and produce something in this game. If I buy coal that someone has mined, then he has gotten my money and I have gotten my coal. If I bought 10k coal and then sell it for a higher price, then do it many times a day I have done nothing. I have helped no one and done nothing other than skim some cash on each transaction. I neither produced nor consumed anything. Merchanters suck. This website and its contents are copyright © 1999 - 2010 Jagex Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sucu Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I just don't understand what they were aiming for in this update harder to gain ep? No, now its easier than ever, you don't even have to risk on +1 worlds harder to 26k? oh noes 76k the 1 iteming problem? I can hardly pk on +1 worlds without getting attacked by one. now you can't even smite them simply taking out the protect item prayer only to introduce a permanent version? Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Hate_Libs Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I just don't understand what they were aiming for in this update harder to gain ep? No, now its easier than ever, you don't even have to risk on +1 worlds harder to 26k? oh noes 76k the 1 iteming problem? I can hardly pk on +1 worlds without getting attacked by one. now you can't even smite them simply taking out the protect item prayer only to introduce a permanent version? Nice. It's Jagex. Making complicated rules for no other reason than to annoy and infuriate people? Well that's simply a British pastime. Try getting insurance on a car in England. Then you'll understand. This website and its contents are copyright © 1999 - 2010 Jagex Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted July 23, 2009 Author Share Posted July 23, 2009 I just don't understand what they were aiming for in this update harder to gain ep? No, now its easier than ever, you don't even have to risk on +1 worlds harder to 26k? oh noes 76k the 1 iteming problem? I can hardly pk on +1 worlds without getting attacked by one. now you can't even smite them simply taking out the protect item prayer only to introduce a permanent version? Nice. It's Jagex. Making complicated rules for no other reason than to annoy and infuriate people? Well that's simply a British pastime. Try getting insurance on a car in England. Then you'll understand. Lol. Although I'm sure Jagex wants this over as much as we do, unless they find this funny :| ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depresins Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 With the bug that cost one poor guy 350m, Jagex apologized and then had the gall to say "I gave you an apology, and that doesn't happen very often." Jagex didn't apologize and Jagex never said that. Mat K did. He was admitting he was wrong and how rare it is for him to do just that, not for Jagex as a company. Surely enough, everybody goes and takes his words out of context. This is exactly why companies forbid employees from apologising. It is tantamount to admitting fault and the employees actions are interpreted as the actions & thoughts of the company as a whole and not as an individual person. I agree with everything you said. However, Jagex is too far into the 'abolish RWT' attitude that they won't listen to any suggestions that could lead to RWTing no matter how good they are. One day they'll have to decide whether stopping RWT or pleasing their players is the bigger issue and when that day comes I hope they choose the later. Seeing such an intelligent person say that hurt me a little. I understand that a lot of people here are naive enough to truly believe the choice is that simple, but please, not you. It is around 10% of people who pvp, right? Problem solved. :geek: Over 800,000 people regularly PvP? Not including trickers and skillers? I doubt that. Not an attack on you libs, just pointing out numbers. My theory behind all the threads is because they are whingers. Whoever said 6% of the total population quit in the big RWT updates, I think you are underestimating. It was stated over 100k people cancelled their subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. That represented roughly 10% of the members at the time. Plus how many freebies? It's Jagex. Making complicated rules for no other reason than to annoy and infuriate people? Well that's simply a British pastime. Try getting insurance on a car in England. Then you'll understand. I'll see your English insurance and raise you Melbourne! The hoon laws bumped my premium up by $3k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 good post =D> i think jagex need to realise that pvping isnt a money makers for most people who play the game. Pvping should be about your combat stats and Tactics. when you can "pay" someone to die for you and that gives you profit there will always be a problem with inflation. while money is being created for nothing, jagex cannot stop people flocking to pvp worlds, essentially ruining the skilling part of the game. [hide=Update for tommorow maybe?]Welcome to ZimbabweScape! Where all your items are worth more, but essentially you arent worth as much as yesterday. :thumbdown:[/hide] fix it soon, or every world will have to be come pvp to compensate -=Zap=- 99 Woodcutting 99 Firemaking99 Hunter 99 Agility99 Attack 99 Hitpoints99 Mining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Hate_Libs Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 With the bug that cost one poor guy 350m, Jagex apologized and then had the gall to say "I gave you an apology, and that doesn't happen very often." Jagex didn't apologize and Jagex never said that. Mat K did. He was admitting he was wrong and how rare it is for him to do just that, not for Jagex as a company. Surely enough, everybody goes and takes his words out of context. This is exactly why companies forbid employees from apologising. It is tantamount to admitting fault and the employees actions are interpreted as the actions & thoughts of the company as a whole and not as an individual person. I agree with everything you said. However, Jagex is too far into the 'abolish RWT' attitude that they won't listen to any suggestions that could lead to RWTing no matter how good they are. One day they'll have to decide whether stopping RWT or pleasing their players is the bigger issue and when that day comes I hope they choose the later. Seeing such an intelligent person say that hurt me a little. I understand that a lot of people here are naive enough to truly believe the choice is that simple, but please, not you. It is around 10% of people who pvp, right? Problem solved. :geek: Over 800,000 people regularly PvP? Not including trickers and skillers? I doubt that. Not an attack on you libs, just pointing out numbers. My theory behind all the threads is because they are whingers. Whoever said 6% of the total population quit in the big RWT updates, I think you are underestimating. It was stated over 100k people cancelled their subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. That represented roughly 10% of the members at the time. Plus how many freebies? It's Jagex. Making complicated rules for no other reason than to annoy and infuriate people? Well that's simply a British pastime. Try getting insurance on a car in England. Then you'll understand. I'll see your English insurance and raise you Melbourne! The hoon laws bumped my premium up by $3k. If I'm honest, the 10% of people who left due to the nerfing of the original PVPing may have been what stuck in my brain as 10% of the people PVP. I was only going on what I remembered, and I'm not infallable. And admitting fault? Oh lawdy, we can't 'mit tha we dun no wrong nohow. We gots ta hide dat right der. :ohnoes: This website and its contents are copyright © 1999 - 2010 Jagex Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depresins Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 In the business world it can lead to lawsuits and bad publicity (as we've seen in this case!). Don't stress too much about the figures man, it's a forum, there's no point being here if you know everything :P What else can we do but share knowledge and ideas for funzies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Hate_Libs Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 In the business world it can lead to lawsuits and bad publicity (as we've seen in this case!). Don't stress too much about the figures man, it's a forum, there's no point being here if you know everything :P What else can we do but share knowledge and ideas for funzies? We can also share our various STDs right? This website and its contents are copyright © 1999 - 2010 Jagex Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meili Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Whoever said 6% of the total population quit in the big RWT updates, I think you are underestimating. It was stated over 100k people cancelled their subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. That represented roughly 10% of the members at the time. Plus how many freebies? Yeah I quit over the RWT updates. Cancelled subscriptions ...considering I have been p2p since the first day P2P came out way back in Feb 2002 lol that ws a biggie for me. What is the source of this 100k info? If it is right though, this means even more people than 100k quit over the RWT updates since I and many others did no quit right at that time exactly. I still had a friend I was playing with so I quit 2 months later but it was basically because of RWT updates. All the stakers pretty much quit, too I bet. RWT pretty much said to them "oh yeah you can't do this anymore." Lol. The Runescape Wilderness - Meili's Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 Many more people that 100k quit, remember many f2p'ers also quit. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDayRsDied Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Lots of the people who quit did not quit right away, they slowly quit as they became bored with the game. This number is not countable, but i personally know many who became bored with the game and cancelled. That update totally and forever unbalanced the Trade System, and pvp. Since you will always need an unbalancing, unpredicable factor in order to throw off an RWTer, you can never have a truly balanced economy as long as PvP is a part of it. Very big mistake to do what they did, as far as pvp is concerned. Total disaster. Disgruntled, Ignorant, Rude, Obnoxious, over-the-top, unreasonable Ex-PKerDrops: Abby Whips:13/ Black Mask: 38/ Dark Bow:3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I agree with everything you said. However, Jagex is too far into the 'abolish RWT' attitude that they won't listen to any suggestions that could lead to RWTing no matter how good they are. One day they'll have to decide whether stopping RWT or pleasing their players is the bigger issue and when that day comes I hope they choose the later. Seeing such an intelligent person say that hurt me a little. I understand that a lot of people here are naive enough to truly believe the choice is that simple, but please, not you. It's ridiculously easy to RWT anyways. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magmaguard3 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Like it's been said. Jagex can't please everyone. I think they'll fix this mess eventually but the clock is ticking jagex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depresins Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Yeah I quit over the RWT updates. Cancelled subscriptions ...considering I have been p2p since the first day P2P came out way back in Feb 2002 lol that ws a biggie for me. What is the source of this 100k info? If it is right though, this means even more people than 100k quit over the RWT updates since I and many others did no quit right at that time exactly. I still had a friend I was playing with so I quit 2 months later but it was basically because of RWT updates. All the stakers pretty much quit, too I bet. RWT pretty much said to them "oh yeah you can't do this anymore." Lol. Press releases from Jagex, quotes from Geoff, numerous other JMod quotes that have probably been eaten by the monster that is RSOF. Do your own legwork, I don't have time to scour the internet on my only day off to prove a point over the internet that hundreds of people with reasonable memories can back me up on. I don't care if you think I'm right, as long as you think :thumbsup: I said it was stated there was over 100k cancelled subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. Obviously F2P doesn't count because they don't subscribe and anything after the fortnight was irrelevant to my post. That's not to say that more people quit or even that people didn't return. I just can't recall seeing any information from a reliable source in regards to anything outside that fortnight. In the business world it can lead to lawsuits and bad publicity (as we've seen in this case!). Don't stress too much about the figures man, it's a forum, there's no point being here if you know everything :P What else can we do but share knowledge and ideas for funzies? We can also share our various STDs right? You can catch them twice? :shock: I think we are in trouble! It's ridiculously easy to RWT anyways. The updates make it less profitable to use illegaly obtained credit card details to subscribe to memberships over Runescape. It therefore costs Jagex less money in reimbursments. RWT "ruining the game" is only part of the issue. Jagex is a business; don't forget the financial side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Hate_Libs Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Yeah I quit over the RWT updates. Cancelled subscriptions ...considering I have been p2p since the first day P2P came out way back in Feb 2002 lol that ws a biggie for me. What is the source of this 100k info? If it is right though, this means even more people than 100k quit over the RWT updates since I and many others did no quit right at that time exactly. I still had a friend I was playing with so I quit 2 months later but it was basically because of RWT updates. All the stakers pretty much quit, too I bet. RWT pretty much said to them "oh yeah you can't do this anymore." Lol. Press releases from Jagex, quotes from Geoff, numerous other JMod quotes that have probably been eaten by the monster that is RSOF. Do your own legwork, I don't have time to scour the internet on my only day off to prove a point over the internet that hundreds of people with reasonable memories can back me up on. I don't care if you think I'm right, as long as you think :thumbsup: I said it was stated there was over 100k cancelled subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. Obviously F2P doesn't count because they don't subscribe and anything after the fortnight was irrelevant to my post. That's not to say that more people quit or even that people didn't return. I just can't recall seeing any information from a reliable source in regards to anything outside that fortnight. In the business world it can lead to lawsuits and bad publicity (as we've seen in this case!). Don't stress too much about the figures man, it's a forum, there's no point being here if you know everything :P What else can we do but share knowledge and ideas for funzies? We can also share our various STDs right? You can catch them twice? :shock: I think we are in trouble! It's ridiculously easy to RWT anyways. The updates make it less profitable to use illegaly obtained credit card details to subscribe to memberships over Runescape. It therefore costs Jagex less money in reimbursments. RWT "ruining the game" is only part of the issue. Jagex is a business; don't forget the financial side. Well, you know, various strains and so forth. On last count Courtney Love had 42 types of Ghonnorhea and that was just in her left armpit. They tried to test her genitals, but the tools turned to ash. This website and its contents are copyright © 1999 - 2010 Jagex Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJE03 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 You've brought up some valid points. I can only hope changes are made. Current pvp is much more complicated than the old wilderness. Back then it was a simple system. Simplicity is always better. [spoiler=Stats:]Updated December 22, 2011: Total level - 1442 - 170M+ XP , Combat level - 115Combat skills: Attack - 90, Defence - 99 (24.45m+ XP), Strength - 90, Constitution - 99 (16.42M+ XP) Ranged - 99 (13.32M+ XP), Prayer - 60, Magic - 99 (13.25M+ XP)Non-Combat skills: Cooking - 99 (13.80M+ XP), Woodcutting - 99 (31.95M+ XP), Fishing - 90, Firemaking - 99 (24.82M+), Crafting - 90, Smithing - 90, Mining - 85, Runecrafting - 60, Dungeoneering - 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Hate_Libs Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 You've brought up some valid points. I can only hope changes are made. Current pvp is much more complicated than the old wilderness. Back then it was a simple system. Simplicity is always better. As I've made abundantly clear, Simple ? British. Sorry. This website and its contents are copyright © 1999 - 2010 Jagex Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meili Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Lol why would I do "my own" legwork? That isn't *my* claim. Do your own. The Runescape Wilderness - Meili's Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDayRsDied Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 You've brought up some valid points. I can only hope changes are made. Current pvp is much more complicated than the old wilderness. Back then it was a simple system. Simplicity is always better. As I've made abundantly clear, Simple ? British. Sorry. Lol, it's funny because it's true. Disgruntled, Ignorant, Rude, Obnoxious, over-the-top, unreasonable Ex-PKerDrops: Abby Whips:13/ Black Mask: 38/ Dark Bow:3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarohunter Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Great thread. :thumbsup: I agree, too many rules, too many updates... Old wilderness had no stupid updates. Old wilderness had no stupid Bounty Hunter... And now PK is like minigame?! Jagex should do something to make wild good, simple wild like it was years ago, and with this I DO NOT mean drops. I don't really care about drops, cause' PK should just be fun. But for many people, it's also or only money. I don't like "EP". I really hate to hear that word. Ah, and same with BH and it's terrible drop thingies that are here to destroy... you know what. The economy. Bring it back... I want to PK in wilderness, without BH system and with not too good drops. That would almost be like old wilderness. If Jagex is able to somehow do it, it would be paradise. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Pk is for fun and money. I for one, would not want to waste str pots, sharks, risk lots of items for no return. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depresins Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Lol why would I do "my own" legwork? That isn't *my* claim. Do your own. Because you are questioning it. If you don't believe it, prove me wrong rather than just being lazy. I don't have to prove the truth to myself, you need to disprove it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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