The Ban on Minigame Clans?

[GlowinRedM]

Alright, I'm gonna post what I posted on RSOF, I'm sure you can all figure out from there:

 

Well the way I see it things are getting a little, well, I don't even know how to put it.

 

 

 

My clan that I was working on for Castle Wars tickets had it's thread shut down with this reason:

 

 

 

"Hello.

 

 

 

I've locked your thread as you are purposefully trying to fix games not were not meant to be fixed. Also playing this games in this manner is not in the spirit of fair gameplay.

 

 

 

As of now these type of threads fixing tied games are no longer allowed on these forums.

 

 

 

If you would like to play the game as it was designed to be played you are more them welcome to make a thread fitting in with all the Forum rules.

 

 

 

Thank you."

 

 

 

Now, this wouldn't be much of a problem, but wait! "Fast Ma" is still going with their threads and everything still going! Wait, could this mean Jagex intended for Mobilising Armies was MEANT to be fixed?

 

 

 

Either that should get shut down too or mine brought back. Its called Emergent Gameplay and Jagex has said that it is encouraged to play it a way you want to.

 

 

 

QFC to thread locked: 72-73-893-59221497

 

 

 

EDIT: One thing I forgot is that I made a post about it in Request Moderator Help and it just got hidden. Isn't that great.

[The Dark Lord]

This is utter BS on Jagex's part. I will help with minigame clans, even if it means that I am breaking rules.

[Low C]

I hate playing on a stacked team. Its more fun to enjoy the competitiveness of the game and have a close score than to win every single time. If anyone has played trouble brewing lately they can vouch for me and say that it is very hard to find a close and even game.

[r4ngewarlord]

maybe they could make a more competitive teamed version of castle wars.

 

just like clan wars.

[GlowinRedM]

"Hi there,

 

 

 

you are NOT allowed to question moderator decisions.

 

 

 

Your thread was locked for valid reason which was clearly explained for you. If there is another thread doing the same, it ONLY means that moderator hasn't spotted it yet.

 

 

 

We are not supermen, we can't see everything. We are volunteers who are using the forums for our own fun and have been given tools to act when we see something amiss. We DON'T patrol in forums to look for rulebreaking threads.

 

 

 

If there's serious problem somewhere, you can report rulebreaking threads in Contact Us forum.

 

 

 

When your post in the "Forum Help" thread is hidden, it means that it's then seen and being looked for, not that it's ignored."

 

 

 

QFC: 14-15-659-59405485

 

 

 

Doesn't really help now does it?

[SixFootOne]

Maybe if some of said mini games were fun we wouldn't need to just grind out stacked games for the rewards. Not that all of them are not fun, but honestly, some of the games are just plain uninteresting.

 

 

 

Also, what else do they expect? When you have rewards that people want, people are going to do everything in their power to get them quickly. It's one of the fundamental problems with the way rewards work. Instead of people enjoying what was left for them, they only do what they must for the reward.

[strilmus]

It will be impossible to enforce this ban enough for it to be an effective countermeasure. When they realize this it will be only a matter of time before they try to "fix" the game, Guthix help us.

[The Dark Lord]

the game, Guthix help us.

 

 

 

We already lost. :x

 

 

 

EDIT: I already have the hammers that I need for 99 Construction anyway. I'd still be royally pissed if they shut the clan that I help lead down that's for playing Stealing Creation games.

 

 

 

This is a farce on Jagex's part. These sort of things are just the products of player ingenuity, which adds uniqueness to already-existing mechanics of the game. Players usually don't play nice in their themed minigame worlds, so why should we play there just to have some twit trying to be a [puncture] to us? Besides, SC clans provide a service of preventing low-level skillers from being too deterred to play the games, as they would be in world 158 where some kid would one-hit KO them and then brag about it and try to harass the player afterward. It's ridiculous. If they want to stop player ingenuity, then take away Roleplaying. After all, it was never intended for you to pretend to be another character. It's not in the "spirit of the game" as you were intended to play as yourself.

 

 

 

They're the biggest hypocrites. They're shutting down minigame clans, yet they refuse to take action against clan merchanters (which, I might add, ACTUALLY RUIN the game) since they publicly stated "it's not in the 'spirit of the game'".

 

 

 

This is so bloody ridiculous! :evil:

[strilmus]

You only lose when you have set yourself up for it.

 

 

 

.....

 

 

 

And then afterwards you get called out for rigging the round.

[Dire_Wolf]

That is stupid.

[canadiansmurf]

RS forum mod's jump the gun to close threads illogically.

 

 

 

Just make a new thread when that mod has left in a few hours.

 

 

 

I used to play CW games with a few friends and we always took turns winning, it was fun and social. I had no interest in the CW rewards anyhow as the top armour takes too many tokens to acheive.

 

 

 

This whole "spirt of the game" issue is interesting, Jagex is always so ambiguious. It seems just breathing on RS is against the "spirit of the game."

 

 

 

I've come to the conclusion that Jagex are control freaks. I think they should quit the MMORPG's and just make a single player game.

 

 

 

They seem to hate player interaction. There are so many warnings given out about exchanging personal information between players but by not allowing us to send private messages within RS if someone isn't logged in they force you to exchange email addresses. And by discouraging these minigame clans on RS forums, that we are paying for as members by the way, they are forcing us to use other forums or other channels outside of RS and these could compromise our accounts.

 

 

 

It's a joke, and yes Jagex are hypocrites.

 

 

 

 

 

trying to fix games not were not meant to be fixed. Also playing this games in this manner is not in the spirit of fair gameplay

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^ If the mini-game allows it than why are players punished for playing it that way. This is ridiculous.

 

 

 

Also fixing games and interacting co-operatively seems great to me, why do they want us to spend hours at each others throats. Currently games are so unbalanced that one side always dominates if the game isn't fixed beforehand so that everyone earns a decent amount of tokens. Why would someone want to replay something when they keep losing. Fixing games so that each side wins fairly actually balances mini-games out.

 

 

 

They tweaked and nerfed the Great Orb Project because people were co-operating. Soon they will ruin all mini-games with their tweaks punishing co-operation.

 

 

 

 

 

As of now these type of threads fixing tied games are no longer allowed on these forums.

 

 

 

The reason why the MA thread is allowed is because MA is their new baby, they want everyone to love their hyped up new mini-game and they are embarrassed that not even noobs want to play it.

 

 

 

I also laugh at how you get punished for playing Stealing Creation competitively, the peaceful Stealing Creation games finish earlier if all resources are gathered. So by playing the mini-game as it's meant to be played you actually earn less of a reward because you spend more time in the mini-game.

 

 

 

 

 

The smart, logical thing would be to make a universal token for all mini-games so that everyone can play their favorite mini-game and then get access to all rewards.

[The Dark Lord]

Just a little statement to anyone that owns a minigame clan that plays stacked games: DON'T LET JAGEX'S BAN ON THESE CLANS HAMPER YOU FROM RUNNING THEM! If you have to, move your official clan threads off-site and make adverts for the clans for Youtube videos or whatnot. Don't let Jagex take your fun away.

 

 

 

What, are they going to ban you for playing minigames a certain way that doesn't involve the exploitation of bugs? If I don't want people to use combat while I play Stealing Creation, then I damn well will have no combat!

[SixFootOne]

Currently games are so unbalanced that one side always dominates if the game isn't fixed beforehand so that everyone earns a decent amount of tokens. Why would someone want to replay something when they keep losing. Fixing games so that each side wins fairly actually balances mini-games out.

 

 

 

 

 

You bring up a really good point. If jagex fixed the real problem with some of these minigames we wouldn't have to resort to, or at least not as a first resort to stacking the game.

 

 

 

Sometimes i would like jagex to treat the problem directly, instead of trying to mend what they considering against the spirit of the game/doing something in a way they didn't intend.

[Dire_Wolf]

Most players that go to "Fixed" or "Cooperative" minigame clan chat groups/clans want:

 

- Fair wins

 

- Fair gameplay

 

 

 

They are:

 

- Cooperative

 

- Mature

 

- Helpful

 

 

 

Sources for these info:

 

Sc_Claymates, Smooth_Sc and Fast_ma (All of those three cc have many good players in them willing to help and work with you)

 

 

 

 

 

Let's look at other side of it. Players that don't do Fixed games. They want:

 

- Some are immature brats

 

- Some just don't know about better option

 

- Some just love the fun of him/her vs everyone else and no working together (That's fair)

 

- Some just are idiots with no brain. So if they break a rule or go crash a fixed games, then you know why.

 

 

 

What does Fixed games do?

 

It makes game more enjoyable. Because it's easier to deal with. Take GOP for instance, in a themed world you gotta focus alot to win. And that's not enough, if your team mates aren't either you will loose. The game is also very lame...

 

 

 

So fixed games is a nice option for those of us who want to work together instead of going "Me vs everyone else". Because if you play GOP you must notify everyone in your team about "Let's win guys/girls!", what are chances players listen always?

 

 

 

The chances are slim...

[mister_moocky]

Good. Minigames should be played, not run.

[Xx_Flare_xX]

It looks more like a misunderstanding to me.

 

Mabey the mod meant using a clan to get unfair wins (your get a clan to do nothing while you leech all the points) is against the spirit of the game.

 

 

 

Thats how I see it atleast.. I can't see how a clan who plays the game for fun is "against the spirit of the game" as the spirit of RuneScape is communication,friendship and fun.

[Ravenkana]

Good ole Jagex. Blaming the player instead of the content. Seriously, this happens all the freakin' time. It's called emergent gameplay but, mayhaps because Jagex loves them some control, whenever it appears, they feel the need to stamp it out like some virulent disease.

[Bauke]

you are NOT allowed to question moderator decisions.

 

Uhm, gfy? Nice attitude there. Hope it wasn't a Jmod.

 

Good ole Jagex. Blaming the player instead of the content. Seriously, this happens all the freakin' time. It's called emergent gameplay but, mayhaps because Jagex loves them some control, whenever it appears, they feel the need to stamp it out like some virulent disease.

 

Totally agree.

[mario_sunny]

Jagex is picking too many fights I think. First RWT, then merchants, then AFKers, and now minigame clans! I'm not saying all those listed are good groups, I just think jagex is getting their hands way dirtier than they should be.

 

 

 

I support minigame clans. I've been in my fair share of PC, SC, CW, and Trawler ( : ) clans. It would be awful if they started banning SC clans, I'm still using them! Ah well, I suppose we can hide in our little super secret clan chats.

[kazumaishimaru]

This is very interesting to me.

 

(So intereting, I will actually post)

 

 

 

How far will Jagex be willing to take this? (assuming it's not just a bad mod)

 

Will they go after the penguin guys? Obviously, omnipotant penguin viewing is not "In the Spirit". It's almost a fact that anyone wanting penguin points uses the clans set-up for it.

 

 

 

If so...

 

...So many angry people...

[Sy_Accursed]

I'm willing to bet you were trying to run this clan on a cwars themeworld., whihc is what Jagex would not like as the theme worlds are for anyone to play the game and not for people to traipse in a fix the game.

 

 

 

Meanwhile all the clans for stealing creation or MA etc that I have seen play on the non-theme worlds, so literally everyone there has gone for the same reason and you don;t get a load of regular players suffering at the hands of a clan rigging games.

 

 

 

You could argue the soulwars case I guess, but there so many huge soulwars clans these days and its so hectic there that the games are mostly closely done as you end up with about 3 - 5 soulwars clans all on diff teams

[All_Is_Great]

Huh, they ban clans fixing minigames but not the ones fixing the economy?

 

 

 

I'd say the price manipulating clans are more of a problem then a clan who wants points for all their members.

[Promise]

You are purposefully trying to fix games not were not meant to be fixed.

 

 

 

DID JAGEX JUST SAY THAT?

 

:wall:

[sadukar123]

I'm willing to bet you were trying to run this clan on a cwars themeworld., whihc is what Jagex would not like as the theme worlds are for anyone to play the game and not for people to traipse in a fix the game.

 

 

 

Meanwhile all the clans for stealing creation or MA etc that I have seen play on the non-theme worlds, so literally everyone there has gone for the same reason and you don;t get a load of regular players suffering at the hands of a clan rigging games.

 

 

 

You could argue the soulwars case I guess, but there so many huge soulwars clans these days and its so hectic there that the games are mostly closely done as you end up with about 3 - 5 soulwars clans all on diff teams

 

Castlewars in any other world is almost no point, there's literally no one except the odd person, who would obviously quit. Plus it cannot support a clan.

[Sy_Accursed]

I'm willing to bet you were trying to run this clan on a cwars themeworld., whihc is what Jagex would not like as the theme worlds are for anyone to play the game and not for people to traipse in a fix the game.

 

 

 

Meanwhile all the clans for stealing creation or MA etc that I have seen play on the non-theme worlds, so literally everyone there has gone for the same reason and you don;t get a load of regular players suffering at the hands of a clan rigging games.

 

 

 

You could argue the soulwars case I guess, but there so many huge soulwars clans these days and its so hectic there that the games are mostly closely done as you end up with about 3 - 5 soulwars clans all on diff teams

 

Castlewars in any other world is almost no point, there's literally no one except the odd person, who would obviously quit. Plus it cannot support a clan.

 

 

 

I'm fairly sure msot of the big cwars clans dont play on themeworlds.

 

 

 

you state the same about any off-theme world game tbh.

 

 

 

Stealing creation is dead on every world, bar themeworlds. Yet all the skill only clans run on none themeworlds and have biiig turn out.

 

 

 

Pest Control clans run on non-themeworlds and get big turn outs

 

 

 

etc etc

 

 

 

Heck my clan often plays cwars off theme worlds and do like 5 vs 5 or w/e.

 

 

 

We've even done 1 vs 1 on a quiet day lol