200M in all Skills

[Rjk]

Zarfot, Zezima are both ranked ahead of him IMO.

In my opinion, it's not a achievement if other people have done the hard work for you.

How many of the buyable 200m's would Suomi really have if it wasn't for donations?

Don't get me wrong, it's taken unbelievable amounts of dedication and hard work for him to get where he is. But it's not quite the same as if he was to have made the gp for it himself.

[Hedgehog]

He'd probably have all of them. Or maybe he'd still be a bit behind. Merching is extremely lucrative, and 5b xp can be funded fairly easily. Donations just save a little time and effort (relatively).

[Rjk]

He's always said he doesn't like the risk involved in merchanting. So for all we know, he could have still been killing Frost Dragons.

Making GP is the biggest part of the game, especially if you're going for skills that cost a lot for 200m.

Prayer ~ 2b+

Herblore 3b+

Crafting 2b+ at times, fairly cheap now.

 

Suomi didn't have to spend any(much) time to make the gp. Anyone else would still be making the gp now.

[Swisscooler_]

he said that he merchanted herbs/unf pots at bxpw, and that he earned 5b+ by merching a year ago

[Platinum_Myr]

Suomi didn't have to spend any(much) time to make the gp. Anyone else would still be making the gp now.

 

Seriously.. the GP involved is probably the smallest part. He would've done it without donations if no one had chosen to fund him. But people want to help. The shear amount of time and dedication involved not to mention his skill with maintaining high levels of efficiency for hours on end is the reason that he's come so far.

[Uade]

I'm hoping SUOMI get's an NPC named when he gets 200m all Skills, a Statue in the center of every major city, and a special cape to show that he's the best scaper there ever was.

 

You mean Zarfot.

[Rjk]

Suomi didn't have to spend any(much) time to make the gp. Anyone else would still be making the gp now.

 

Seriously.. the GP involved is probably the smallest part. He would've done it without donations if no one had chosen to fund him. But people want to help. The shear amount of time and dedication involved not to mention his skill with maintaining high levels of efficiency for hours on end is the reason that he's come so far.

I'm not saying anything about that. It's the fact the statement 'great'. A 'great' scaper wouldn't need donations. That's all I'm saying.

[Gemeos2]

He's always said he doesn't like the risk involved in merchanting. So for all we know, he could have still been killing Frost Dragons.

Making GP is the biggest part of the game, especially if you're going for skills that cost a lot for 200m.

Prayer ~ 2b+

Herblore 3b+

Crafting 2b+ at times, fairly cheap now.

 

Suomi didn't have to spend any(much) time to make the gp. Anyone else would still be making the gp now.

 

Actually at this moment Prayer costs 3780m, Herblore costs 4760m, Crafting costs 5800m. So it's worse than what you imagine.

[Epic Guts]

Hi all.

 

I have been lurking on this thread for over 2 years now and watching gert/telmo/aasiwat gains and progress was something that always motivated me to keep playing.

 

The player i most like to watch the progress and always tought would be the first to 200m all is Drumgun, Suomi will be the first to 5b and thats insane, i have to agree with Noxx, i think there are Greater players than Suomi but stil, beeing the first to "Complete" the game is somethign that deservers a great reward from jagex.

 

A npc or a great weekend party for the celebration of this achievement.

Jagex used to mention and do events with woox16 why not Suomi?

 

Goodluck on the last skills Suomi and hope you reach it as i check you and drumgun progress EVERYDAY, will be great to see you guys reach 5b

 

Would like to mention that i love sojournits update's as i loved a13d updates.

 

Not sure if Drumgun still reads the thread, [probably do], Goodluck Drumgun im sure you will make it :D

 

Thanks guys

[Miss Lioness]

Hi all.

 

A npc or a great weekend party for the celebration of this achievement.

Jagex used to mention and do events with woox16 why not Suomi?

 

 

Thanks guys

 

Because he choose not to do so.

[vmser]

Zarfot, Zezima are both ranked ahead of him IMO.

 

Zezima pretty much invented the concept of acception donations to reach a goal. How do you think he got 99 smithing, what it all started with for him?

 

As for zarfot: as ingenious as it was, having a clever way with the trade system hardly justifies it as a greater achievement. Having people convinced of your greatness to actually give it to you with no effort.. Could just as well revert your entire perspective.

[Xcxcxcxcxc]

If making money was oh so easy, than why did suomi need to bank his gold bars at lrc and beg. Whether or not the begging was a "joke" it was around 500k gp/hr time value to do it, which is basically picking flax. He has come a long way since those days now and I don't doubt he has made some decent money merching but back in the day he apparently couldnt make money for shit.

[Lethe_Keres]

I'm hoping SUOMI get's an NPC named when he gets 200m all Skills, a Statue in the center of every major city, and a special cape to show that he's the best scaper there ever was.

 

Whatever your smoking please share some. Also nice fanboy syndrome.

 

If suomi isn't the greatest scaper, who is?

 

Just a few people off the top of my head no specific order; Zez, Zarfot, Telmo, Elias, The Old Nite, Fat Wrecked, Larryr, N0valyfe, Aclaw, Skateenjoi. All of them I consider to be better scapers then suomi.

[Hedgehog]

I don't think any of those people could ever accomplish what Suomi's accomplished, with or without donations.

[Quyneax]

Let's not forget that Suomi has shown the greatest ability to grind and actually get xp by far. As much as you can say about Zarfot or Zezima being great players and capable of great achievements (xp-wise), Suomi has outperformed them by far by now. Suomi has been #1 for almost exactly a year now and will likely be #1 forever (or until his membership is cancelled).

 

And Suomi doesn't do the regular grind as well. He has used methods that nobody before him or since has used on a comparable scale, e.g. c2 woodcutting, crawlers, lrc superheat for all three skills all the way.

[LogOnBeach]

How is Larryr a better scaper than Suomi, yes she started law running/nat running or whatever. In reality she is almost identical to Suomi, she had "accepted" others help to further her exp. How is Fat Wrecked a good scaper? The rest of em were good in their time. Zez is highly overrated though, yes he was the first to show the power of noliefing but really, why do people view him as this great icon? I looked up to him when I had first started rs but I later realized there were overall better players at that time, for example Kingduffy, N0va, and others. All Zezima really did was get all the easy buyables at the time done, now he is probably not even in the top 150 players by total experience, yeah I know he quit for a long time and would probably be higher if he didn't but Zezima wouldn't have been able to keep up with this generation of Noliefers. Just like if N0va had wanted to play further than just getting #1, Zezima wouldn't have caught him.

[Teddieh]

No one has ever come even close to the level of dedication, efficiency and playing time that Suomi has been doing for like 10 years now. He chose to take donations because it's efficient. Going to the G.E and flipping few items once a day would almost be just as hard as taking donations...

 

 

[Hedgehog]

No one has ever come even close to the level of dedication, efficiency and playing time that Suomi has been doing for like 10 years now. He chose to take donations because it's efficient. Going to the G.E and flipping few items once a day would almost be just as hard as taking donations...

Yes, no one has come close to his level of productivity, and taking donations is quite productive.

[VonMedo]

You guys are seriously debating if Suomi is best or not? wow

 

He will be fist to "beat" the game, EOD

[Rjk]

You guys are seriously debating if Suomi is best or not? wow

 

He will be fist to "beat" the game, EOD

Nobody is debating that. It's the methods he used to get there.

I honestly doubt he would have been ahead of Elias, Elvis and maybe JD if he hadn't received donations.

[Hedgehog]

You guys are seriously debating if Suomi is best or not? wow

 

He will be fist to "beat" the game, EOD

Nobody is debating that. It's the methods he used to get there.

I honestly doubt he would have been ahead of Elias, Elvis and maybe JD if he hadn't received donations.

Have you compared their xp rates in the nonbuyables?

[rudes7]

Lmao are u guys being serious? Suomi's non-buyables speak for themselves, everyone is so concerned about donations that they forget the amazing accomplishments suomi has had zezima for one would not come close to suomi with or without donations in terms of consistency, nor will anyone else imo

[SnuGGzZ]

Lmao are u guys being serious? Suomi's non-buyables speak for themselves, everyone is so concerned about donations that they forget the amazing accomplishments suomi has had zezima for one would not come close to suomi with or without donations in terms of consistency, nor will anyone else imo

this + grats to richard for passing telmo :)

[Platinum_Myr]

Let's assume we discard any of the "buyable" skills, and just not count them. I still think Suomi is way ahead.

[Fallstar]

The problem is that most skills involve some buyable aspect these days.

 

You've got the obvious: Herblore, Prayer, Crafting, Cooking, Fletching, Construction, Summoning, Farming that are typically viewed as 'buyables'.

 

Then you've also got the cost of Slayer, in cannonballs, scrolls, chaotic repairs, prayer pots. That comes to well over 1b over the course of 200m. (Assuming you make ovls for herb and that cost is counted in herb not slay)

 

Suomi's C2 method of woodcutting also involved him paying 5m/hr was it? That makes WC what, 20 gp/xp? Even if people were willing to do it out of the goodness of their heart, your average player couldn't have people clearing dgs and finding skill plots. If people did it for free, a lot of it comes down to Suomi being #1, which is a result of the donations. I'm not sure what the cost of superheat mining is, but over the course of 200m xp you're going to be spending around 500m on nats.

 

Then there's fishing and agility, Suomi did barb fishing and agility at barb. But fishing is faster to do with the C2 clearing method too, so the actual fastest way of training turns fishing into a buyable too. I have no idea if Suomi used a horn or not, but paying front page BA players to fill your horn takes agility from 65k/hr or w/e it is now to 80k+ on average. (That includes time spent filling the horn.) So when it comes down to it, the most efficient way of training to 200m makes almost every skill expensive to train. Hell, paying for 4s1l dungeoneering is the fastest, if not most fun, way of doing dg.

 

Only Thieving, Hunter, Dungeoneering, (if you don't leech) and Runecrafting don't have significant costs.

 

So if you discount buyables, Suomi would barely be touching 1b total xp right now. Making the gp for 200m all without buying a dice rank or getting lucky in the DA is almost as large a component as training the skills themselves. I remember reading in Zarfot's merchanting guide that at the height of his flipping, he averaged 50m/day. That's when he had the huge amounts of capital needed to invest effectively.

 

Discarding the buyable aspect is basically impossible.