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They are similar, but also different. Donations when given in a spirit of help without any behind the scenes repayment is transfer of value from one person in game to another person in game. It is done within the game, and uses only resources gained inside the game via time spent. SoF gains resources without time spent, instead money spent. In general, most MMO players dislike when factors other than time which are related to real life situation are important in determining how well you can do. The players dislike "buying" success. However, as noted before, time is a huge factor based on real world situations (many people do not have the time to 'sacrifice' to an MMO especially one so time consuming as RS.) That is a different thing altogether.

 

While one might degrade someone else for taking donations I think the consensus view is that obtaining benefit for real life cash is even more frowned upon. (whether that position makes sense is a different discussion not suited to this thread)

 

You might argue that the same result is obtained either way, but I don't really buy into pure results-based reasoning, especially as it often ignores side effects of decisions, or subtle ramifications.

 

At any rate despite accepting donations or even requesting donations, the #1 player has come very far in ways that many people who decry the practice have not. It doesn't make sense to me that you would say he's such a bad 'scaper, he took donations when no one else has (yet) done what he has without them. When that happens you can say that person did better, by your metric. But I don't believe there was any scamming, or any belief that the donations would be used for another purpose. You might be able to say it is abuse of fame, but the people donating didn't have to donate. There was nothing compelling them to donate beyond their own sense of wanting to be a part of something (or whatever reason they choose to donate.)

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Is accepting donations not an efficient money making method? That is simply what it is: a money making method.

 

The same concept applies to training via the SoF. But nobody ever wants to talk about that either. What a vain, masochistic community we have here :lol:

 

I like how there was no mention of SoF in my comment. I stated something unrelated to spinning. What you said may be true or untrue but is independent of what I said. There was no need to post that post as a response.

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Is accepting donations not an efficient money making method? That is simply what it is: a money making method.

 

The same concept applies to training via the SoF. But nobody ever wants to talk about that either. What a vain, masochistic community we have here :lol:

 

I like how there was no mention of SoF in my comment. I stated something unrelated to spinning. What you said may be true or untrue but is independent of what I said. There was no need to post that post as a response.

 

Given that it has been part of the debate, it kind of is relevant.

 

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Is accepting donations not an efficient money making method? That is simply what it is: a money making method.

 

The same concept applies to training via the SoF. But nobody ever wants to talk about that either. What a vain, masochistic community we have here :lol:

 

I like how there was no mention of SoF in my comment. I stated something unrelated to spinning. What you said may be true or untrue but is independent of what I said. There was no need to post that post as a response.

 

I wasn't responding to you. I was just adding on to what you said. >_>

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Is accepting donations not an efficient money making method? That is simply what it is: a money making method.

 

The same concept applies to training via the SoF. But nobody ever wants to talk about that either. What a vain, masochistic community we have here :lol:

 

I like how there was no mention of SoF in my comment. I stated something unrelated to spinning. What you said may be true or untrue but is independent of what I said. There was no need to post that post as a response.

 

I wasn't responding to you. I was just adding on to what you said. >_>

 

I don't want SoF to get mixed into what I am talking about because I do not wish to discuss it.

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Is accepting donations not an efficient money making method? That is simply what it is: a money making method.

 

The same concept applies to training via the SoF. But nobody ever wants to talk about that either. What a vain, masochistic community we have here :lol:

 

I like how there was no mention of SoF in my comment. I stated something unrelated to spinning. What you said may be true or untrue but is independent of what I said. There was no need to post that post as a response.

 

Given that it has been part of the debate, it kind of is relevant.

 

If I wanted to address SoF I would have done so.

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Is accepting donations not an efficient money making method? That is simply what it is: a money making method.

 

The same concept applies to training via the SoF. But nobody ever wants to talk about that either. What a vain, masochistic community we have here :lol:

 

I like how there was no mention of SoF in my comment. I stated something unrelated to spinning. What you said may be true or untrue but is independent of what I said. There was no need to post that post as a response.

 

I wasn't responding to you. I was just adding on to what you said. >_>

 

I don't want SoF to get mixed into what I am talking about because I do not wish to discuss it.

 

Then don't discuss it.

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Is accepting donations not an efficient money making method? That is simply what it is: a money making method.

 

The same concept applies to training via the SoF. But nobody ever wants to talk about that either. What a vain, masochistic community we have here :lol:

 

I like how there was no mention of SoF in my comment. I stated something unrelated to spinning. What you said may be true or untrue but is independent of what I said. There was no need to post that post as a response.

 

I wasn't responding to you. I was just adding on to what you said. >_>

 

I don't want SoF to get mixed into what I am talking about because I do not wish to discuss it.

 

Then don't discuss it.

 

I just don't understand why people respond to a statement that has absolutely nothing to do with SoF and try to talk about it. Recreating my original post and forgetting this one.

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Is buying spins not an efficient training method?

 

I don't really like the whole concept of donations, because that is contingent on the promise that the person who received them will actually go all the way. That almost caused an upset when Suomi stopped playing for a bit. It also falls into begging, which I don't like. Finally, it's basically large amounts of free money for doing something that everyone already does on their own, only on a much larger scale. I feel it cheapens the achievement, since it's already paid for you.

 

It's one thing to accept money freely given (who doesn't like free money?), but begging on video for donations or even saying/implying you accept them is pathetic. But is it efficient? Depends on how low of a person you are.

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well... i dislike "donations", as do many people, but on one hand, suomi wasn't taking donations for the purpose of being rich, he was doing it for the goal that all of rs can be proud of, but on the other hand maybe he should have an asterisk next to his name on the highscores :P

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It's one thing to accept money freely given (who doesn't like free money?), but begging on video for donations or even saying/implying you accept them is pathetic. But is it efficient? Depends on how low of a person you are.

 

Ok, so you admit that accepting donations it is logical and efficient, you just don't like it. Glad we cleared that up. Also, check your inbox.

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It's one thing to accept money freely given (who doesn't like free money?), but begging on video for donations or even saying/implying you accept them is pathetic. But is it efficient? Depends on how low of a person you are.

 

Ok, so you admit that accepting donations it is logical and efficient, you just don't like it. Glad we cleared that up.

 

I never recall saying it wasn't then changing my mind. And yes I don't like it.

 

Also, check your inbox.

Real mature. I really don't care if you ignore me. Go ahead, please.

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If that's truly the case, then you're either on a "do-it-yourself" path, a path that is NOT followed by every player, and while fun, is quite frivolous, meaning that it is not logical for you to pretentiously compare yourself to someone who plays the game by making the best use of its features. That's the same as comparing a level 3 skiller to a player that trains combat - the skiller is putting that goal in front of themselves, and has no one to blame if it's more difficult.

 

The second reason you wouldn't accept donations is a psychological one - it's not that you don't want the money/have an interest in it, but rather you're denying it for the sake of being able to say you denied it. It's basic human psychology - If I offered the money to you right now, you'd say no, just because you don't want me to think that you'd ever accept it. But if someone offered such a large sum of money to you, and you know that no one would ever find out, unless you don't accept it for the previous reason I mentioned, you would be more than willing to take it.

 

Ohhhh, are we playing the false dichotomy game?

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There is ofcourse a wide range of variable opinions. You might not accept donations because of moral/ethical principle. You might not accept merely because you don't want to be "that guy who got rich off someone else" However, many people will accept donations, for varying reasons.

 

You might disagree with it. But you probably can't convince everyone that your reason is right. (whether it is or not).

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One thing nobody seems to be mentioning, is how insurmountable purely training the 4.6/4.8/5B xp appeared 3-5 years ago. Now add to that the time required to pay for it. Now factor in that RS is not going to be here forever, and you see that 200M all skills could well have been seen as a race against time, not against anyone else. What was the original estimate suomi thought it would take him? 10 years? If he went and made the cash beforehand, it would far decrease the chances of him reaching his goal before RS may or may not have ended.

 

For the sake of completeness, Suomi could after 200M all skills go and earn the money he received as donations. Does the order matter that much?

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