Ollyc3 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Course ya would. We used to get our potential or whatever it was to 100% and kill each other for PVP loot. Dem free brawlers doe. 2376/2376 total achieved - May 2009 Retired Dec 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Course ya would. We used to get our potential or whatever it was to 100% and kill each other for PVP loot. Dem free brawlers doe.Hey, Olly. Good to see you again. Anyway, I was thinking it'd be interesting to have a calculator that would accept an "old school" player and calculate if they'd have 200m all by now. I wouldn't be able to work on it for another 2 weeks or so, but if anyone's interested, just remind me then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxingmck Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Course ya would. We used to get our potential or whatever it was to 100% and kill each other for PVP loot. Dem free brawlers doe. Olly hath risen from the dead on Easter. OT: Telmo padded his xp gains nicely with 120 dg and was a contender for a while before SUOMI caught back up having finished Agi/mining/smithing/fish early on 2 Noobs: We pay we sayJaGeX: How much will you pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollyc3 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 yeee been a while 2376/2376 total achieved - May 2009 Retired Dec 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G0d_vs_D3vil Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There are soo many people that used to play 15-20h/day if we look back in our history of runescape, just go back like 5 years until now and you'll see many players that used to play that much. Best nolifer, Drumgun.Best skiller, Suomi. But the thing about Suomi is that he kept playing good amount of hours per day for soo long (years) + having that efficiency made him special, thats why I kept him so high up there because there haven't been anyone that have done what he did.suomi was playing alot , but best skiller zarfot 4ever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licert Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 zarfot is love zarfot is life 7 stop pming me plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujidivo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Well since everyone is giving so much love to the hardcore skillers, what about Drowns? He is pretty much nowadays new Zarfot. I think he really proven himself to be hardcore with his skilling and record gainz aswell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There are soo many people that used to play 15-20h/day if we look back in our history of runescape, just go back like 5 years until now and you'll see many players that used to play that much. Best nolifer, Drumgun.Best skiller, Suomi. But the thing about Suomi is that he kept playing good amount of hours per day for soo long (years) + having that efficiency made him special, thats why I kept him so high up there because there haven't been anyone that have done what he did.suomi was playing alot , but best skiller zarfot 4ever It really depends on the criterion you rank them isnt it. For me its not so important to play efficiently like zarfot, runescape isnt astrophysics anyone with reasonable intelligence can figure it out. For me its all about the titles. Zezima, suomi, old nite, zarfot all these rank 1s are great regardless of the fact that the game has evolved. They are like world champions. The rest not so much. Not disagreeing or anything but I just want to point out that its all about what your criterion of best skiller is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jaxie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There are soo many people that used to play 15-20h/day if we look back in our history of runescape, just go back like 5 years until now and you'll see many players that used to play that much. Best nolifer, Drumgun.Best skiller, Suomi. But the thing about Suomi is that he kept playing good amount of hours per day for soo long (years) + having that efficiency made him special, thats why I kept him so high up there because there haven't been anyone that have done what he did.suomi was playing alot , but best skiller zarfot 4ever My mistake, of course zarfot was the best but he wasnt playing nearly as much as suomi did, zarfot played like what 5-10h/day on average meanwhile suomi did around 15h/day + having that zarfot-efficiency for so many hours in a day made him better than zarfot, see what I mean? If it wasnt for the hours played/day then yeah zarfot would've been the best. --------------------------------------------- itrolledu currently has 192,5m slayer & currently is at 130,5m slayer monthly wow... Alkan just got 200m magic & 200m in all combat skills grats, now get that 100m hunter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E M R E Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 seriously wtf is with this silverhawk boots rarity, ive used 1k+ spins since they came out (didnt spin during the promotion tho) and i only have boot uppers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Dash Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 seriously wtf is with this silverhawk boots rarity, ive used 1k+ spins since they came out (didnt spin during the promotion tho) and i only have boot uppers Better start running laps son. 7 “I had a feeling we weren’t coming back from this fight when it began.”“Do you have any regrets?”“I don’t. It seems surprising, I know, but I wouldn’t change a thing. This is how it was meant to be.”“Huh, you never really notice how lovely the day is until you realize you’ll never see it again.”“Mmmhmm.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E M R E Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 seriously wtf is with this silverhawk boots rarity, ive used 1k+ spins since they came out (didnt spin during the promotion tho) and i only have boot uppers Better start running laps son. Running laps to train agility is so 2013 :rolleyes: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Dash Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 seriously wtf is with this silverhawk boots rarity, ive used 1k+ spins since they came out (didnt spin during the promotion tho) and i only have boot uppers Better start running laps son. Running laps to train agility is so 2013 :rolleyes: Spin some more then. 2 “I had a feeling we weren’t coming back from this fight when it began.”“Do you have any regrets?”“I don’t. It seems surprising, I know, but I wouldn’t change a thing. This is how it was meant to be.”“Huh, you never really notice how lovely the day is until you realize you’ll never see it again.”“Mmmhmm.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr148 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Gratz Alkan on getting 200m in all combat, looks like hes finishing up 120 thieving then who knows. He reads this so im sure he could answer lol, havent seen him post here in a few days tho http://www.youtube.com/user/PajamaGaming^click for RS vids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenDover Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Congratulations to Alkan on his recent 200m's! As for the discussion on the top skillers of all time. It really is hard to compare in my opinion. Zarfot has got to be up there in terms of efficiency and how much he could handle over time but SUOMI was right there with him. SUOMI was capable of Zarfot like gains for long periods of time. Forsberg888 is quite efficient himself and is capable of doing it for a long time too. Of course he is of a different generation and it is not possible to directly compare. Drowns has probably got to be one of the most efficient players today, similar to Zarfot with that he doesn't play the huge amounts. What we tend to only notice is the people with big gains. I, myself, would not be surprised if there are many other people that are very efficient. Drumgun is not efficient, but has big gains. He plays his style, other's play theirs. Its all a matter of degree. A lot of times good skillers are not given credit because we don't see them on the top daily gain websites, and likewise we see people get unnecessary attention because they play 20 hours/day. Time played =/= good or efficient. (itrolledu). There are of course a few others out there who we can consider efficient, like Dragonseance, someone who I would put close to on par with Drowns when he isn't spending all his time catching Sprites... some joke about completing all completables. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallstar Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Well you have to consider efficiency and time spent. Someone could play perfectly optimally, but if it's only for an hour or two a day, then compared to the top they are not very effective skillers. Just because you gain your xp more efficiently than another player, does not make you a better skiller. Most particularly apm/micro intensive methods have diminishing returns, so there is only really a certain minimum level of efficiency required for most players - the best skillers are the ones who can hit this minimum level and put in the long hours/day. Whilst on the subject, one common mistake is fletching broad arrows whilst doing traders. For most players (>99%) they will have enough down time where they are not doing anything in particular on RS that they could use that time to get fletching instead. Yet some of these players still add unnecessary micro to thieving by fletching at the same time. It's fake 'efficiency' for those who are not reasonably close to 200m all. 2 Asmodean <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenDover Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I disagree with your sentiment. You cannot deem someone an un-effective skiller because they can only play 2 hours a day. They are effective with the time they are given. And contrary to what you said, a better skiller is someone who gains more exp in the same time frame, efficiently and effectively. Your logic is all backwards on this one. The best skillers are people who put the effort forth. There is not much needed in order to stay effective for a long time rather than will power. Being a good skiller should be determined by how you use your time, not how much you play. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallstar Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Efficiency is merely a ratio. Your performance / Optimum possible performance. Two variables, your efficiency ratio * your hours played give your experience gained. The objective of skilling is to acquire xp, not to only improve your efficiency ratio. This requires the time variable as well. Since with relatively low effort you can make your efficiency ratio near 1, for the vast majority of players time is the dominant variable. So no, the better skiller in almost all cases is the one who puts more time in. For an easy comparison you can also turn time into a ratio; your time played / Maximum possible time played. Then simply compare the two fractions. Most players will have an efficiency ratio far greater than their time ratio. This is why the best skillers generally have time ratios which deviate from the average more than their efficiency ratios do, as there is more room for improvement in that fraction compared to average than there is in the efficiency fraction. |------------------------------------X------| X = average player's efficiency ratio |--------------Y----------------------------| Y = average player's time ratio There is a greater potential to excel in Y than there is in X. Many years ago the average player's efficiency ratio was much lower, due to efficient methods having higher barriers to entry and a different focus in the community. So players like Zarfot could excel by improving their efficiency ratio. However as the average efficency ratio has increased over time more than the average time ratio, this is no longer the case. 1 Asmodean <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenDover Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 You are looking at this from the wrong perspective, what I am merely saying is that you cannot deem someone inefficient or a bad skiller because they don't play a lot. I would not classify someone who plays 10 hours/day at a low efficiency a better skiller than someone who plays 3 hours/day at a high efficiency. The way you are classifying people is rather unfair and unjustified. I understand your point but it is the wrong counter argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallstar Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 You are looking at this from the wrong perspective, what I am merely saying is that you cannot deem someone inefficient or a bad skiller because they don't play a lot. I would not classify someone who plays 10 hours/day at a low efficiency a better skiller than someone who plays 3 hours/day at a high efficiency. The way you are classifying people is rather unfair and unjustified. I understand your point but it is the wrong counter argument. If you set the goal of skilling as to acquire xp, then how good of a skiller you are is measured by how much xp you can gain. I'm not saying it as an insult or anything lol, I've probably logged in on about 30 days out of the past 180. My time ratio would be among the lowest. Just some observations about who the best skillers are, given the above caveat. 1 Asmodean <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jaxie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 When are the 120 skill capes out? Alkan, you better make a video the day its out including those emotes, GAINZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 When are the 120 skill capes out? Alkan, you better make a video the day its out including those emotes, GAINZ!With any luck, tomorrow alongside the quest, with an SGS-side of retro armour. If Alkan bought some of that retro armour and recorded all the 120 cape emotes with unregistered Hypercam, it'd be strongly reminiscent of 2006. 4 In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr148 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 ^Alkan do dat plz Its gotta say unregistered hypercam in the corner dough http://www.youtube.com/user/PajamaGaming^click for RS vids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serfal Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 When are the 120 skill capes out? Alkan, you better make a video the day its out including those emotes, GAINZ!You mean he should make a video with the 120 capes and show off the normal 99 skillcape emotes? lol http://www.youtube.com/user/PaxSerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr148 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 O ya they dont get emotes lol http://www.youtube.com/user/PajamaGaming^click for RS vids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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