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i never really got why i keep playing a game where the common mentality is to do stupid things to ruin the game if it is possible to do so, especially right after benefiting from a recovery system out of the kindness of a normally unsympathetic game company with normally terrible security standards

 

but i suppose there are worse things, says the theoretical situation fairy


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They remote controlled his computer, therefore they didn't need JAG. Password was keylogged. The question is if Jagex will return his items when the account only was accessed from his own IP?

 

They shouldn't. No regular player would get their items back, top 15 players shouldn't get special privileges.

 

Incase you wasn't aware, they tried out a thing where they refunded hijacked accounts items, for a while, but something went wrong and they put a few million too many archer rings on some guys acc and it made them crash. So it's not special privileges, just a new thing they have been trying out, if someone gets hijacked for all their shit they deserve to get it given back, regardless of if they're top 15 or top 150,000

 

No they do not "deserve to get it given back". I'm sorry but keeping your account secure is very simple. I've been playing for 8 years or so and i've never had anyone access my account unless i allowed it. You can't try and say that it's because i'm not "known" enough because enough of the "wrong kind of people" knew who i was when staking was still big and stakers still sold a lot.

It sucks that he got hacked, but if you're going to be careless (even though you're unaware that you're being so), then you have to expect that it's going to happen at some point. It's not that hard to keep things secure.

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They remote controlled his computer, therefore they didn't need JAG. Password was keylogged. The question is if Jagex will return his items when the account only was accessed from his own IP?

 

They shouldn't. No regular player would get their items back, top 15 players shouldn't get special privileges.

 

Incase you wasn't aware, they tried out a thing where they refunded hijacked accounts items, for a while, but something went wrong and they put a few million too many archer rings on some guys acc and it made them crash. So it's not special privileges, just a new thing they have been trying out, if someone gets hijacked for all their shit they deserve to get it given back, regardless of if they're top 15 or top 150,000

 

No they do not "deserve to get it given back". I'm sorry but keeping your account simple it very simple. I've been playing for 8 years or so and i've never had anyone access my account unless i allowed it. You can't try and say that it's because i'm not "known" enough because enough of the "wrong kind of people" knew who i was when staking was still big and stakers still sold a lot.

It sucks that he got hacked, but if you're going to be careless (even though you're unaware that you're being so), then you have to expect that it's going to happen at some point. It's not that hard to keep things secure.

 

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They remote controlled his computer, therefore they didn't need JAG. Password was keylogged. The question is if Jagex will return his items when the account only was accessed from his own IP?

 

They shouldn't. No regular player would get their items back, top 15 players shouldn't get special privileges.

 

Incase you wasn't aware, they tried out a thing where they refunded hijacked accounts items, for a while, but something went wrong and they put a few million too many archer rings on some guys acc and it made them crash. So it's not special privileges, just a new thing they have been trying out, if someone gets hijacked for all their shit they deserve to get it given back, regardless of if they're top 15 or top 150,000

 

No they do not "deserve to get it given back". I'm sorry but keeping your account secure is very simple. I've been playing for 8 years or so and i've never had anyone access my account unless i allowed it. You can't try and say that it's because i'm not "known" enough because enough of the "wrong kind of people" knew who i was when staking was still big and stakers still sold a lot.

It sucks that he got hacked, but if you're going to be careless (even though you're unaware that you're being so), then you have to expect that it's going to happen at some point. It's not that hard to keep things secure.

 

though nox got banned on 195m mining xp~?????? back in 2k10~


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They remote controlled his computer, therefore they didn't need JAG. Password was keylogged. The question is if Jagex will return his items when the account only was accessed from his own IP?

 

They shouldn't. No regular player would get their items back, top 15 players shouldn't get special privileges.

 

Incase you wasn't aware, they tried out a thing where they refunded hijacked accounts items, for a while, but something went wrong and they put a few million too many archer rings on some guys acc and it made them crash. So it's not special privileges, just a new thing they have been trying out, if someone gets hijacked for all their shit they deserve to get it given back, regardless of if they're top 15 or top 150,000

 

No they do not "deserve to get it given back". I'm sorry but keeping your account secure is very simple. I've been playing for 8 years or so and i've never had anyone access my account unless i allowed it. You can't try and say that it's because i'm not "known" enough because enough of the "wrong kind of people" knew who i was when staking was still big and stakers still sold a lot.

It sucks that he got hacked, but if you're going to be careless (even though you're unaware that you're being so), then you have to expect that it's going to happen at some point. It's not that hard to keep things secure.

 

 

There are often circumstances beyond a person's control. Yes, I'd wager that >95% of people who get "hacked" can be fairly blamed, but it'd be really short sighted to always blame the victim for not somehow protecting themselves, especially in situations where such protection might not have prevented the "hack" anyway (as perhaps was the case in Gunnar's situation). Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean you're doing anything more special or correct than everyone else. Try to be more empathetic.

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My recovery questions were/are completely made up and not written down anywhere.

 

My JAG was still enabled when I got my account back (sans wealth.)

 

I have absolutely no idea how said hacker(s) were able to recover it without those systems stopping them/tripping some alarm.

 

I'm not too upset about losing bank (I can make it back should Jagex choose not to return it,) I'm just bothered that this can happen.

 

Happened to me while my account was inactive (so I had no idea about it) someone somehow "recovered" my account successfully and dropped all my rares/items, left me with pretty much nothing.

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My recovery questions were/are completely made up and not written down anywhere.

 

My JAG was still enabled when I got my account back (sans wealth.)

 

I have absolutely no idea how said hacker(s) were able to recover it without those systems stopping them/tripping some alarm.

 

I'm not too upset about losing bank (I can make it back should Jagex choose not to return it,) I'm just bothered that this can happen.

 

Happened to me while my account was inactive (so I had no idea about it) someone somehow "recovered" my account successfully and dropped all my rares/items, left me with pretty much nothing.

 

u can get back ur rares from diango.

i think its 50/50 players and jagex fault that they getting cleaned from hacking, if they manage to get email access and, if jagex removes jag, because some1 sent an letter from hacked email and after that they removes jag, then it's really flawed system.... whats the point of having it, if that should protect from email hacks too....
i think they should make again vote for pin generator(the thing which1 used for wow or irl bank accaunts), which one failed in 2k11 or 2k10, jagex should care about players more, because usually ppl who got scammed, they just quit the game :l
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I'd agree with that assessment GVD, they managed to get access to an email I use for another acc and for whatever reason Jagex believed they were me and gave them access to the acc/allowed them to change the registered email, I have seen no evidence they got onto my computer thus far but yeah just let it be a fair warning so it doesn't happen to others. These guys seem to be able to exploit the acc recovery system, make sure two-step is enabled for your email, but that doesn't seem to be enough on its own.

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Perhaps it can be made as simply as an app.


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A phone can get hijacked too, though.

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A phone can get hijacked too, though.

 

Yeah but more layers = more secure tho. Not saying you cannot be hacked at all, just the more layers you add, the more difficult it is to hack someone.

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But requiring people to have a smart phone for the best account security is a bit silly. Jagex should beef up their current system if there are to be any improvements

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But requiring people to have a smart phone for the best account security is a bit silly. Jagex should beef up their current system if there are to be any improvements

I don't think that's silly at all. More security is always good, more security that doesn't require a smartphone would be better, sure, but that's not a reason to complain about a good thing.

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But requiring people to have a smart phone for the best account security is a bit silly. Jagex should beef up their current system if there are to be any improvements

I don't think that's silly at all. More security is always good, more security that doesn't require a smartphone would be better, sure, but that's not a reason to complain about a good thing.

 

too bad i don't have one>.>

http://puu.sh/9km6r/c7677d951f.jpg i would buy for 10-20bonds tbh or even more, if they would make such thing for rs :3

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They remote controlled his computer, therefore they didn't need JAG. Password was keylogged. The question is if Jagex will return his items when the account only was accessed from his own IP?

 

They shouldn't. No regular player would get their items back, top 15 players shouldn't get special privileges.

 

Incase you wasn't aware, they tried out a thing where they refunded hijacked accounts items, for a while, but something went wrong and they put a few million too many archer rings on some guys acc and it made them crash. So it's not special privileges, just a new thing they have been trying out, if someone gets hijacked for all their shit they deserve to get it given back, regardless of if they're top 15 or top 150,000

 

No they do not "deserve to get it given back". I'm sorry but keeping your account secure is very simple. I've been playing for 8 years or so and i've never had anyone access my account unless i allowed it. You can't try and say that it's because i'm not "known" enough because enough of the "wrong kind of people" knew who i was when staking was still big and stakers still sold a lot.

It sucks that he got hacked, but if you're going to be careless (even though you're unaware that you're being so), then you have to expect that it's going to happen at some point. It's not that hard to keep things secure.

 

That is an incredibly naïve and ignorant thing to say. If there are 10 things you can do to keep your account secure and you do 9 out of 10, then get hacked, it's not your fault. It's the hackers fault for exploiting a system as asinine as Jagex one. Jagex introduced Jag and hyped it as the end all be all for hacking. But it's fatal flaw is that it depends on a third entity to work; emails. If your email isn't two step verified (and as we can see in gunnars case, all emails you use for runescape) Jag is worthless. I've seen what happened to gunnar happen to others. The guy had a low lvl noob that also had jag but no two step verification on the email, as it's just some random noob acc so who cares right? Well they recovered the email, removed jag, got the acc, then got the main by whining to jagex in emails. Instead of Jag all Jagex needed to do was remove the email middle man system all together and introduce a two step verification system for the account itself.

 

But in the end, all you can do is keep the honest people honest. Many front pagers have had their accounts accessed to varying degrees. One time hackers went so far as to fly to Florida where kngkyle was living at the time, access his wireless internet somehow, then try to recover his acc by using the very same ip he was using. How do you protect your self from that? Don't assume that just because you've been safe all these years that the other guy that got hacked is an idiot.

 

I'm sure someone more intelligent than myself could link us to a paradox or invalid argument that you're experiencing; ie- it didn't happen to me so it cant happen to you.

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First I'd like to say that this definetly sucks for gunnar and im also kind of scared myself if JAG and other jagex security measures can't stop a hack.

 

Second, even if only top page players got their things back, or only well known players, id rather see some people get their stuff back than no one at all.  Why should everyone have to suffer if it's possible to help some people.  I get the whole idea that it may not be "fair" but its better than Jagex not helping when they can.  Thats just my take on it, i have no problem with well known players getting help, because honestly their problems do get publicized more and get jagex's attention more, and jagex could not possibly pay that close attention to every players account at this point.  

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The presence or absence of JAG on your account and your account security have nothing to do with one another. It is completely useless. I said this on this thread the last time a high profile player's account security was compromised too. Lock your PC up with a chain and padlock and you're doing as much good as you are by enabling JAG.

 

Google 2 step is the one and only thing that provides even a measure of security for your account. If your bank is worth as much real money as I heard Dragonseance's is/was, it doesn't really matter either way, people will go to lengths that would make accessing an RS account look trivial for far less money than that.


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besides drowns and Y0 sushi, is there any others with high xp but not maxed?

 

I promised to give a time update once a week, just wondering if there are any others 'off the radar' to check?

 

Anyone know of someone sitting on 150m xp in div, rc, fish and slay but not even 99 in everything else?

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I'm not saying anyone deserves to get hacked, and i'm not saying you're an idiot if you get hacked. Sorry if i made it seem that way. Like i said, it sucks. I can't even imagine what i would feel if i had lost what he lost. It's just a game, but it's real hours and real time invested. You don't just lose pixels, you also lose a lot of time invested.

However... as far as i'm aware (and i might be partially/completely wrong) when you request a recovery for an account certain questions need to be answered:

 

Account creation date.

ISP the account was created on.

Most recent/current ISP.

Billing information such as receipt number (or something along those lines).

Old passwords ( i think you can provide up to 3).

Current/Most recent password.

5 Recover questions (or you could tick the "i didn't create these" box).

Have you moved recently (or something like that).

And then there's a small box to put some extra information to help speed up the process.

 

Sure enough the majority of these questions can be answered with access to someone's e-mail. But some of them can't. I don't think there's any way of knowing the creation date of an account unless you tell someone. Same goes for old passwords.

This goes for whether you're trying to recover it using the recovery page on the site or if you try recovering it via accountsupport/billingsupport.

This is the process i had to follow every time i recovered an account.

 

But like i said, i might be wrong about this.

 

I'm sure there's also ways to recover accounts by just relentlessly sending jagex qq emails.

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Yep, you are wrong

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besides drowns and Y0 sushi, is there any others with high xp but not maxed?

 

I promised to give a time update once a week, just wondering if there are any others 'off the radar' to check?

 

Anyone know of someone sitting on 150m xp in div, rc, fish and slay but not even 99 in everything else?

http://crystalmathlabs.com/tracker/rsvirtualhiscores.php?page=totalxp&pagenum=1&count=30&filter=onhiscores

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besides drowns and Y0 sushi, is there any others with high xp but not maxed?

 

I promised to give a time update once a week, just wondering if there are any others 'off the radar' to check?

 

Anyone know of someone sitting on 150m xp in div, rc, fish and slay but not even 99 in everything else?

Tufty

 

Not really as high exp as those others, but he does have 200m div and rc with <2400 total if that interests you.

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Thanks Licert and Pingouin.  Yeah, thats the site I'm using.  Main reason I was interested in div and rc was those are the 2 biggest hour eaters.

 

Anyways, here is a feeble attempt to get back on topic;

 

I'm only listing those under 5k hours.  Why?  We're expecting a new skill by the end of the year.  7 months * 30 days / month * 18 hours / day = 3780 hours.  I'm interested in who will be at 5.2 when the new skill comes out.  If you want more names, click 'like this.'  10 clicks and I'll go 6k hours.  I've only checked the top 50 in xp.

 

Credit for this concept goes to Gemeos (everyone say 'thank you Gemeos' so that his panties don't get in a bunch) as well as Merideth for the calculator.

 

Hours left until maxed:

Drumgun -- 833

Forsberg888 -- 1456 (half of his fishing is 462 hours possible saved from sc.  Next weeks treasure hunter is a fishing pole skin that gives a 20% chance to catch 2 fish and stack double xp)

S U O M I -- 1895

Jake -- 1913

Geel -- 2126

Jdelacroix -- 2327

Alkan -- 3007

Crystalfarm -- 3426

Dragonseance -- 3554

Killerjv -- 3856

My Kingz -- 3939

Pieter -- 4084

Scuzzy5 -- 4514

Almostlost -- 4576

Angerfist -- 4958

 

Please don't ask me anything about the xp rates used.

 

Thanks

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Thanks Licert and Pingouin.  Yeah, thats the site I'm using.  Main reason I was interested in div and rc was those are the 2 biggest hour eaters.

 

Anyways, here is a feeble attempt to get back on topic;

 

I'm only listing those under 5k hours.  Why?  We're expecting a new skill by the end of the year.  7 months * 30 days / month * 18 hours / day = 3780 hours.  I'm interested in who will be at 5.2 when the new skill comes out.  If you want more names, click 'like this.'  10 clicks and I'll go 6k hours.  I've only checked the top 50 in xp.

 

Credit for this concept goes to Gemeos (everyone say 'thank you Gemeos' so that his panties don't get in a bunch) as well as Merideth for the calculator.

 

Hours left until maxed:

Drumgun -- 833

Forsberg888 -- 1456 (half of his fishing is 462 hours possible saved from sc.  Next weeks treasure hunter is a fishing pole skin that gives a 20% chance to catch 2 fish and stack double xp)

S U O M I -- 1895

Jake -- 1913

Geel -- 2126

Jdelacroix -- 2327

Alkan -- 3007

Crystalfarm -- 3426

Dragonseance -- 3554

Killerjv -- 3856

My Kingz -- 3939

Pieter -- 4084

Scuzzy5 -- 4514

Almostlost -- 4576

Angerfist -- 4958

 

Please don't ask me anything about the xp rates used.

 

Thanks

Interesting.. thanks for the list! (Also, thanks Gemeos!)

Didn't think Jdelacroix had so few hours left.

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