Obama and Ramadan.

[i_love_burritos]

As you've probably heard, El ACME Presidente Obama has over the last few days,

 

 

 

Given a Ramadan address, message, well wishes etcetera and then also a Ramadan Feast in the State Dining Room with others to highlight the contributions of American Muslims.

 

 

 

And in public addresses talked about what a great religion Islam is, blah blah.

 

 

 

What is with this coddling ? I disagree with everything.

 

 

 

Islam doesn't need any special provisions, doesn't need any feasts, doesn't need any advocates. No [ethnic group/minority/religion/race] does. Infact I see this as a cowardly act by the Obama Administration to, well, [i can't really say here on a G-rated forum]

 

 

 

What do you think ? Is there a need for this ?

 

 

 

Articles are everywhere, just Google it.

[Riku3220]

Why are you complaining about Muslims celebrating Ramadan? I see nothing wrong here.

[Giordano]

Why are you complaining about the government [wagon]-kissing Ramadan-celebrating Muslims?

 

Fixed.

 

 

 

Stop with these "Giving thanks/remembering" things. To Muslims, to Blacks, to Asians, to Latinos. It really means absolutely nothing.

[Skull]

Some people actually care about and respect the cultures of others.

[Giordano]

Some people actually care about and respect the cultures of others.

 

I respect them. It's just that there's no need of the government congratulating folks on having a belief. Where's my Obama speech on Nickism?

[i_love_burritos]

Some people actually care about and respect the cultures of others.

 

 

 

If that's the case, why not a Happy Birth Day Jesus mass for congress ?

 

 

 

Oh wait. There's no need for one, since they're all white.

 

 

 

Or, have a Vesak for the millions of Buddhists in America ?

 

Or, Ridavan for people of the Baha'i faith ?

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

Why are you complaining about Muslims celebrating Ramadan? I see nothing wrong here.

 

 

 

Please read my post Riku. And if you still don't see what I'm saying -- I'm not.

[ElkNight]

Some people actually care about and respect the cultures of others.

 

 

 

If that's the case, why not a Happy Birth Day Jesus mass for congress ?

 

 

 

Oh wait. There's no need for one, since they're all white.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't they have a Christmas celebration at the white house or something?

 

(Im not 100% sure)

 

 

 

But I get what you're saying and I mostly agree with it.

[Riku3220]

Why are you complaining about Muslims celebrating Ramadan? I see nothing wrong here.

 

 

 

Please read my post Riku. And if you still don't see what I'm saying -- I'm not.

 

I did. I'm not seeing what's so wrong about recognizing the Islamic religion on one of their holidays. They're getting a feast and a speech, not that big of a deal.

[i_love_burritos]

Why are you complaining about Muslims celebrating Ramadan? I see nothing wrong here.

 

 

 

Please read my post Riku. And if you still don't see what I'm saying -- I'm not.

 

I did. I'm not seeing what's so wrong about recognizing the Islamic religion on one of their holidays. They're getting a feast and a speech, not that big of a deal.

 

 

 

Yes it is that big of a deal. I urge you to read the transcript of his speech or watch a few videos.

 

 

 

Here is one such article : Article 1

[Riku3220]

Why are you complaining about Muslims celebrating Ramadan? I see nothing wrong here.

 

 

 

Please read my post Riku. And if you still don't see what I'm saying -- I'm not.

 

I did. I'm not seeing what's so wrong about recognizing the Islamic religion on one of their holidays. They're getting a feast and a speech, not that big of a deal.

 

 

 

Yes it is that big of a deal. I urge you to read the transcript of his speech or watch a few videos.

 

 

 

Here is one such article : Article 1

 

How is it a big deal? Nothing has changed!

[Nero]

Because it could open up the floodgates for people to demand recognition for their religion. Next it'll be national Mormon day, or the Scientology feast, or a speech to neopagans. It's just silly.

[ElkNight]

Because it could open up the floodgates for people to demand recognition for their religion. Next it'll be national Mormon day, or the Scientology feast, or a speech to neopagans. It's just silly.

 

Satanist day. :lol:

[OldJoe]

I can't speak my mind openly on this board since i'll just get another boot, but i'll try anyways.

 

 

 

I don't think it's right of him to do this. Of course you can appreciate other cultures, but Islam is making it's way into everywhere it seems, and i believe that it does not belong in the "western world".

 

Just be careful Americans, here in Sweden the 7 major parties kisses their feet.

 

 

 

I hope that wasn't out of line for this forum.

[Zonorhc]

I'm surprised.

 

 

 

I thought we had a firmer grasp on how politics involving minority groups works around here.

[i_love_burritos]

I'm surprised.

 

 

 

I thought we had a firmer grasp on how politics involving minority groups works around here.

 

 

 

Which means what ?

 

 

 

Even here in Australia there is a great deal of leniency. Freedoms that are exploited because of our tolerance.

 

 

 

Also, it doesn't help that Islam seeks to establish exceedingly contrived "Councils" of [cabbage]. Take the ICV.

[1_man_army]

Why do you guys care? There is a big taboo about Islam in America since 9/11 and the he seems to be trying to address that by celebrating the more positive apects of Islam. If you think for a second there isn't a taboo about Islam then just look back at the election campaign when certain elements in the Republican camp (although not McCain to his credit) tried to paint Obama as a Muslim because they felt it would cost him dearly.

 

 

 

God forbid a President tries to heal rifts between people in a nation and tries to bring them together.

[Zonorhc]

Which means what ?

 

 

 

Even here in Australia there is a great deal of leniency. Freedoms that are exploited because of our tolerance.

 

 

 

Also, it doesn't help that Islam seeks to establish exceedingly contrived "Councils" of [cabbage]. Take the ICV.

 

Which means moves like these get votes.

 

 

 

Acts of "friendship" aren't done by politicians out of any sense of social justice. It rests on communities to be sincere about these things. Politicians might provide an example for some, but by and large, they court votes and not much more.

[Bauke]

Well, at least it's something different from the constant blabbering about christianity. Though I'd like it if he'd shut up about religion in general.

[Kriegsmier]

My problem with this is he seems to be trying to mix church and state. I have no problem with Muslims, Islam, Ramadan, any other religions....but they should not be mixed with government.

[Lionheart_0]

You see this is why I like Canada. We don't force Western culture down Immigrants throats, thus allowing them to practice their culture and get involved with communities of like minded people within Canada. This means that the Canadian government doesn't have to do these huge things that focus on one group of people. If the states acted a bit more like this, you wouldn't have your president trying to educate people about a different culture, cause you would be less xenophobic.

 

 

 

 

 

But in the end, I think Obama is doing the right thing. Might as well try to show that you care in a country that seems to dislike a specific culture.

[Kiriyama]

I can't speak my mind openly on this board since i'll just get another boot, but i'll try anyways.

 

 

 

I don't think it's right of him to do this. Of course you can appreciate other cultures, but Islam is making it's way into everywhere it seems, and i believe that it does not belong in the "western world".

 

Just be careful Americans, here in Sweden the 7 major parties kisses their feet.

 

 

 

I hope that wasn't out of line for this forum.

 

 

 

You make a somwhat decent point.

 

 

 

Sure, maybe Islam doesn't belong in the "western world", but if people want to be able to follow that belief, then it's fine.

 

 

 

It's when any religion is crammed down our throats that it get's on my nerves, which is essentially what Obama is doing here, from the sounds of it.

[Dire_Wolf]

Obama is just showing respect to Islam and Ramadan. Whoever dislikes what he says could probably be:

 

1) a Kristen who dislikes Islam

 

2) a Racist

 

 

 

He is not just talking about Ramadan...

 

I can't speak my mind openly on this board since i'll just get another boot, but i'll try anyways.

 

 

 

I don't think it's right of him to do this. Of course you can appreciate other cultures, but Islam is making it's way into everywhere it seems, and i believe that it does not belong in the "western world".

 

Just be careful Americans, here in Sweden the 7 major parties kisses their feet.

 

 

 

I hope that wasn't out of line for this forum.

 

Islam is making it's way everywhere? Is that a crime? Just because Islam is widespread it's all of sudden a bad thing?

 

 

 

7 major parties kissing islamic inhabitants feets? That's the parties choice. Islam is belief of those who would like to follow it. Noone is forced to follow it, and people who have these beliefs are all just ordinary humanbeings like you and everyone else in West.

 

 

 

So if you panic because of Islam:

 

1) Your ignorant

 

2) You got prejudices in your mind

 

3) You follow a other religion and dislike the progress of a other one (Islam in this case)

 

 

THE FACT

 

There is muslims in USA. So what should Obama do?

 

1) Ignore Islam - Disrespect muslims believs

 

2) Acknowledge Islam - Respect muslims and their believes just like you would respect humans with no believes.

 

 

 

The problem:

 

If Obama does not greet Thanskgiving, then all people who have that can say "Obama stinks". But so far what he did with Ramadan message was good.

[OldJoe]

Obama is just showing respect to Islam and Ramadan. Whoever dislikes what he says could probably be:

 

1) a Kristen who dislikes Islam

 

2) a Racist

 

 

 

He is not just talking about Ramadan...

 

I can't speak my mind openly on this board since i'll just get another boot, but i'll try anyways.

 

 

 

I don't think it's right of him to do this. Of course you can appreciate other cultures, but Islam is making it's way into everywhere it seems, and i believe that it does not belong in the "western world".

 

Just be careful Americans, here in Sweden the 7 major parties kisses their feet.

 

 

 

I hope that wasn't out of line for this forum.

 

Islam is making it's way everywhere? Is that a crime? Just because Islam is widespread it's all of sudden a bad thing?

 

 

 

7 major parties kissing islamic inhabitants feets? That's the parties choice. Islam is belief of those who would like to follow it. Noone is forced to follow it, and people who have these beliefs are all just ordinary humanbeings like you and everyone else in West.

 

 

 

So if you panic because of Islam:

 

1) Your ignorant

 

2) You got prejudices in your mind

 

3) You follow a other religion and dislike the progress of a other one (Islam in this case)

 

 

 

I said "it seems". And have i stated that it's a crime? No i haven't.

 

I am not a fan of it, some people here try to convince you that it's a "love religion"... If it is, why is it then that you have force-marriage (and a very wide age spectrum), honour-murders, stoning etc.

 

 

 

I am not panicking.

 

1: No, i am a realist.

 

2: No, i simply believe that it doesn't belong in my country (nor does any religion in my mind).

 

3: No, i am agnostic.

 

 

 

Edit: I should also state before someone attacks me that, of course you have freedom of religion.

[stonewall337]

Besides the fact that muslims were responsible for 3,000 American deaths? Not all Muslims, but some. Also, America was founded as a CHRISTIAN NATION. Did you know that God is mentioned in the Preambles to all 50 State Constitutions? Benjamin Franklin said "I have lived sir a long time, but the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth; that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a Sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, can an empire rise without His aid?"

[Bloodstain]

Besides the fact that muslims were responsible for 3,000 American deaths? Not all Muslims, but some.

 

 

 

Americans have caused far, far, far more deaths